Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

Post #141 » by **Foshan** » Sat Mar 7, 2020 2:46 am

^ I agree.

call me crazy, but if we had called and tried to be the third team where GSW got Al and Min 1st and Russell went to Min, and Wiggins came here, I'm not sure they would have said no tbh.

I LOVE the idea of Wiggins. The leaping, passing, scoring potential, defensive tools... but none of it has ever materialized positively imo. Now maybe next to Curry and Klay he's able to (like Barnes shined next to them), I think it is very possible... but Al used correctly IMO still has the chance to be the guy we saw last night on a consistent basis.

PhillyPhilly · Post #142 » by **PhillyPhilly** » Sat Mar 7, 2020 7:30 am

So what are the best trade spots for Horford In the offseason? Knicks? Houston? GSW?

ProcessDoctor · Post #143 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Mar 7, 2020 12:51 pm

Harris and Zhaire for Hield and Bjelica.

Simmons(20)/Milton(24)/Richardson(4)
Hield(32)/Korkmaz(16)
Richardson(28)/Thybulle(20)
Bjelica(24)/Simmons(14)/Horford(10)
Embiid(30)/Horford(18)

the_process · Post #144 » by **the_process** » Sat Mar 7, 2020 3:57 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
the_process wrote:I'm of the hope last night propels Vivek to make a offer for Al or Tobias or both in the offseason.

Whichever one would net us Buddy + Bjielica is the one I'd give up. Harris would probably hold more value to them, but during the offseason they were rumored to be interested in both.

Would you do Al + Harris for Buddy + Bjielica + Barnes?

I'd want to call Portland and see if a CJ for Harris trade is possible first, but if not I'd certainly have interest in pursuing something around that basis.

ProcessDoctor · Post #145 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Sat Mar 7, 2020 4:36 pm

the_process wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
the_process wrote:I'm of the hope last night propels Vivek to make a offer for Al or Tobias or both in the offseason.

Whichever one would net us Buddy + Bjielica is the one I'd give up. Harris would probably hold more value to them, but during the offseason they were rumored to be interested in both.

Would you do Al + Harris for Buddy + Bjielica + Barnes?

I'd want to call Portland and see if a CJ for Harris trade is possible first, but if not I'd certainly have interest in pursuing something around that basis.

It feels weird that Buddy (27) and CJ (28) are only aged 1 year apart. I've always perceived Buddy to be in that class of younger guards, while CJ has seemed like more of a vet. It makes their trade value much closer than I initially thought.

Edit: It's important to note that CJ is owed $130 mil over the next 4 years, while Buddy is only owed $94 mil over the same timeframe.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #146 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Sun Mar 8, 2020 2:00 am

the_process wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:
the_process wrote:
Wiggins is a no defense chucker who can't shoot and doesn't rebound. He can pass a little, sure.

Horford makes more positive contributions than Wiggins does. Even if Al right now is playing like he wants to be elsewhere.

I'd take Wiggins over Horford all day every day. Without twisting your words are you basically saying that we could have traded Horford for Wiggins at the deadline? Because that's a trade you do a thousand times over and over. I'm not saying that's what you're implying, but you're comparing the two in terms of trade value and I don't see where Horford is as valuable as Wiggins. If Horford was 8 years younger then yes....you might have something. Right now, Horford looks like Wayman Tisdale during his Phoenix Suns tenure. Old...and past his prime. I don't think moving him this offseason will be easy at all. We'll have to attach future and possibly current valuable assets to get rid of him. Signing him to this horrifically bad contract should be a fireable offense in my opinion. Sure....we have Ben and Embiid and IF they can stay healthy, we'll be a playoff team, but Horfords contract will prove to be crushing. It may even cause us to trade one of Simmons or Embiid. It's by far the worst signing we have ever made in team history. Yes....It blows the Brand signing out of the water. Awful awful awful. We could have just signed Dwayne Dedmon. Or Hell....Julius Randle.

All I can say is every advanced metric there is says that Horford, even as crappy as he's looked this year, still impacts the game more positively than Wiggins does.

Wiggins still has him on youth, and upside. Other than that, point taken, I stand corrected.

the_process · Post #147 » by **the_process** » Sun Mar 8, 2020 12:41 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
the_process wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:
Whichever one would net us Buddy + Bjielica is the one I'd give up. Harris would probably hold more value to them, but during the offseason they were rumored to be interested in both.

Would you do Al + Harris for Buddy + Bjielica + Barnes?

I'd want to call Portland and see if a CJ for Harris trade is possible first, but if not I'd certainly have interest in pursuing something around that basis.

It feels weird that Buddy (27) and CJ (28) are only aged 1 year apart. I've always perceived Buddy to be in that class of younger guards, while CJ has seemed like more of a vet. It makes their trade value much closer than I initially thought.

Edit: It's important to note that CJ is owed $130 mil over the next 4 years, while Buddy is only owed $94 mil over the same timeframe.

CJ can actually be a secondary ball handler, whereas Buddy would be like Redick. Creation ability is what this team most lacks, and is well worth the extra money. IMO.

Kobblehead · Post #148 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 3:23 pm

the_process wrote:Wiggins is a no defense chucker who can't shoot and doesn't rebound. He can pass a little, sure.

Horford makes more positive contributions than Wiggins does. Even if Al right now is playing like he wants to be elsewhere.

Wiggins is a megatalent that was stuck in a dumpster fire organization. There's a perception of major untapped potential there.

Horford is a old man who was never more than a role player in his career (even in his prime). And now he's being paid like a difference maker.

What happens with one guy has no bearing on what can happen to the other.

Kobblehead · Post #149 » by **Kobblehead** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 3:29 pm

youngcrev wrote:Until Chris Paul inevitably gets injured in the first round, I'm gonna be bummed we didn't trade for him.

He wasn't really realistically available.

I say "realistically" in the sense that OKC didn't want to attach picks to move him or simply swap him for equal salaries. They actually wanted picks coming their way.

stormi · Post #150 » by **stormi** » Mon Mar 9, 2020 6:33 pm

We need to target disgruntled players that want out.

Lavine, Buddy, Lauri types. Tobias could be extremely appealing to a Chicago type team who if forced to trade Lavine, wouldn't be wanting to tear it down with Coby and Wendell ascending.

the_process · Post #151 » by **the_process** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:38 am

stormi wrote:We need to target disgruntled players that want out.

Lavine, Buddy, Lauri types. Tobias could be extremely appealing to a Chicago type team who if forced to trade Lavine, wouldn't be wanting to tear it down with Coby and Wendell ascending.

I think that's a solid concept. Add young players with upside who have stagnated or disappointed to that list, Lauri also being an example of that.

youngcrev · Post #152 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:56 am

Kobblehead wrote:
youngcrev wrote:Until Chris Paul inevitably gets injured in the first round, I'm gonna be bummed we didn't trade for him.

He wasn't really realistically available.

I say "realistically" in the sense that OKC didn't want to attach picks to move him or simply swap him for equal salaries. They actually wanted picks coming their way.

At the deadline, yes. But I think he was very much available early in the season.

SparksFly87 · Post #153 » by **SparksFly87** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:13 pm

Horford and zhaire should be enough for Hield or Wiggins.

Tobias should be alone enough for CJ Mccolum

Tobi , JRich for Lavine or Beal.

I think we really need the JJ Redick replacement in Hield and that 3rd combo scoring star in Beal or Lavine the most.

youngcrev · Post #154 » by **youngcrev** » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:34 pm

SparksFly87 wrote:Horford and zhaire should be enough for Hield or Wiggins.

Tobias should be alone enough for CJ Mccolum

Tobi , JRich for Lavine or Beal.

I think we really need the JJ Redick replacement in Hield and that 3rd combo scoring star in Beal or Lavine the most.

I don't think Harris/JRich get you in the conversation for Beal. Might get you CJ or LaVine.

I'd be pretty surprised if the Kings would deal Buddy for Horford, but I guess they do dumb stuff sometimes.

Phillyboy · Post #155 » by **Phillyboy** » Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:31 pm

If the Sixers did indeed float the idea of trading Embiid to gauge his trade value then let me submit this possibility.

Embiid (and one of our reserve wings, Furkan, Thybulle, Smith)

for

Beal, Bryant and a pick

Washington would be interested in the star power of Embiid (asses in seats, chance to lure big name FA down the road to play with him) and he's in the realm of what they would want in a multi player deal for Beal.

We've had on court chemistry and spacing problems all along. And the legitimate notion that either Embiid or Simmons would need to be traded to start to fix things. Our starting five

Horford
Harris (at the 4 where he belongs)
Beal and Josh (don't care who plays 2 or the 3)
Simmons

Young developing big in Bryant coming off the bench for major minutes then graduates to starting lineup as Horford ages. The pick would be for a reserve wing or backup PG. Would still have 2 of the 3 reserve wings from above, Scott and Shake. Not a bad bench.

Consider the new chemistry, spacing and matchups this trade would offer

youngcrev · Post #156 » by **youngcrev** » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:55 pm

Trading a top-10 player in the league for the sake of fit is just unwise. You're not winning anything without an elite talent on your team unless you have some type of perfect, outlier scenario like the Billups/Wallace Pistons.

Take a loss via trade on your lesser talents (Horford, Harris, Richardson, ect) if you want to improve fit, not your franchise player.

ProcessDoctor · Post #157 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:47 pm

Harris + Richardson + 2020 OKC 1st + 2022 PHI 1st for Conley + Mitchell

Conley(24)/Milton(16)/Simmons(8)
Mitchell(32)/Korkmaz(16)
MLE(24)/Thybulle(24)
Simmons(26)/Scott(12)/Horford(10)
Embiid(30)/Horford(18)

Rastas · Post #158 » by **Rastas** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:42 pm

[quote="ProcessDoctor"]Harris + Richardson + 2020 OKC 1st + 2022 PHI 1st for Conley + Mitchell

Conley(24)/Milton(16)/Simmons(8)
Mitchell(32)/Korkmaz(16)
MLE(24)/Thybulle(24)
Simmons(26)/Scott(12)/Horford(10)
Embiid(30)/Horford(18)[/quote

Utah will get better offers , they probably only look at a Mitchell and extras for Ben

youngcrev · Post #159 » by **youngcrev** » Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:09 pm

I think they'd move Gobert rather than Mitchell

youngcrev · Post #160 » by **youngcrev** » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:25 pm

I wonder what the Bulls new management will do with their roster. They were reportedly shooting down all offers for LaVine at the deadline, maybe that changes now.

Dinwiddie might be available with Kyrie coming back. Can't imagine he'd be happy going back to the bench after the season he just had, and I don't think you can play the two of them together for long stretches.

With the potential for Gallo to walk, and Chris Paul proving he can still play at a very high level, I think they'll likely try to move him.

Does CJ McCollum finally become available after a disappointing season for the Blazers? Moving him after WCF finals appearance wasn't likely, but after a lottery season and a huge extension about to kick in? Maybe.

Do Beal or Booker ask out after another season spent losing?

Things might fall into place for us in terms of available 3rd bananas this summer. Would be nice if we still had some of that war chest of assets in place.