Suns record starting Ayton vs starting Baynes

[lilfishi22]

I'll tell you something... (just speculating, 'course).

Tormund GiantBaynes rather prefer to be the starting Center at Phoenix than a bencher in Boston (or any other contender).

It's not (entirely) about money.
It's about role.

The problem is likely Implicator Stevens would offer now him that role... looks as a neat improvement over Kanter.


As long as we have him, we should play him the most we can.
2nd unit is a waste.

How though? Starting him with Ayton?

[El Hespiritu]

As long as we have him, we should play him the most we can.
2nd unit is a waste.

How though? Starting him with Ayton?

That should had been tested and properly worked from Late Pre Season.
Didn't happen because diuresis and that rushed probature during a couple of games in the middle of the season looked raw... I don't blame Monty for giving up.

If it was me... I would do the same Lemanis (aussie coach) did with Bogut and him:
Start Tormund and give both of them roughly 24 minutes each.

[nevetsov]

Baynes won't be a starter as long as Ayton is healthy.

Our best bet in getting him to stay is to acquire someone like Patty Mills or Joe Ingles, someone who he would enjoy coming off the bench with, and then offer him more than anyone else to do so. That's the only way I see him staying.

[sunskerr]

Baynes won't be a starter as long as Ayton is healthy.

Our best bet in getting him to stay is to acquire someone like Patty Mills or Joe Ingles, someone who he would enjoy coming off the bench with, and then offer him more than anyone else to do so. That's the only way I see him staying.

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[Mr Puddles]

One thing the presence of Baynes has shown us is that the offense benefits from having a big who can step out (to the three point line).

We could see it as well in games where Ayton played very well. Typically the way opposing defenses adjusted was by trying to deny the entry pass. The further Ayton can step out (and become and inside / outside threat), the harder it will be for defenses to adjust because you can't really prevent passes out on the perimeter effectively while keeping our defense honest.

Extending his range and improving his ability to put the ball on the floor would greatly benefit both Ayton and the team as a whole.

[thamadkant]

The team as currently constructed is more suited with a big man who shoots 3s or rim runners.

It's quiet obvious how bad they are in entry passes to someone posting up.

Not only that Baynes is a veteran. A veteran role player who sacrifices his game for others. While Ayton only sacrifices a bit because the team is trying to fit him in as a key player. But the overall team and offensive scheme is more suited with a free flowing perimeter shooting big at the helm.


And that's the problem.

The team will never anything but a 10th seed with that mentality.


The team will only far when the team is more catered around Ayton and use him as a point to create plays from. Not saying Ayton to jack up 25 shots with 30% usage a game... Not at all.

But use Ayton like Duncan was used... Where the shooters and slashers and wing players used him as a pillar to draw defenders away from them.

And defense.... Baynes is a good team defender but a way poorer individual defender compared to Ayton due to mobility and explosiveness.

Not to mention the first 15 games Baynes was playing like a star big man.... Something like 17/10 and 40% from the 3pt line... That was not the norm... That was a run.... And Baynes durability showed... Or lack of durability. He cannot be a 30mpg starting big man. But heck of a bench big for sure.


The team will always be a below 0.500 team as is if they do not fix their system and lack of fundamental boxing out and defense first.


Beating a Bucks with out their DPOY and MVP favorite candidate and shooting way above average is not sustainable... And beating an under performing Blazers team with Steph Curry numbers from your center is a unicorn game....

[El Hespiritu]

The team as currently constructed is more suited with a big man who shoots 3s or rim runners.

It's quiet obvious how bad they are in entry passes to someone posting up.

Not only that Baynes is a veteran. A veteran role player who sacrifices his game for others. While Ayton only sacrifices a bit because the team is trying to fit him in as a key player. But the overall team and offensive scheme is more suited with a free flowing perimeter shooting big at the helm.


And that's the problem.

The team will never anything but a 10th seed with that mentality.


The team will only far when the team is more catered around Ayton and use him as a point to create plays from. Not saying Ayton to jack up 25 shots with 30% usage a game... Not at all.

But use Ayton like Duncan was used... Where the shooters and slashers and wing players used him as a pillar to draw defenders away from them.

And defense.... Baynes is a good team defender but a way poorer individual defender compared to Ayton due to mobility and explosiveness.

Not to mention the first 15 games Baynes was playing like a star big man.... Something like 17/10 and 40% from the 3pt line... That was not the norm... That was a run.... And Baynes durability showed... Or lack of durability. He cannot be a 30mpg starting big man. But heck of a bench big for sure.


The team will always be a below 0.500 team as is if they do not fix their system and lack of fundamental boxing out and defense first.


Beating a Bucks with out their DPOY and MVP favorite candidate and shooting way above average is not sustainable... And beating an under performing Blazers team with Steph Curry numbers from your center is a unicorn game....

Agree about your tactical analysis.

Disagree about your Tormund's judgement.
Why do you think good production is just a random run and he getting injured if playing big minutes is a carved at stone norm?

Sample is similar.