2020 Offseason Speculation, free agency, summer trades (keep draft prospect talk in draft thread)

[Kerrsed]

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[Revived]

Anyone just personally enjoying Chuck dragging Draymond Green around?

Draymond Green is an idiot if he thinks the rings alone makes him a higher qualified basketball player than Barkley lol. Their not even on the same planet in terms of playing rankings.

The whole rings thing is getting out of hand. I guess Adam Morrison is gonna be start talking trash about Nash and CP3 soon too.

[lilfishi22]

Anyone just personally enjoying Chuck dragging Draymond Green around?

Draymond Green is an idiot if he thinks the rings alone makes him a higher qualified basketball player than Barkley lol. Their not even on the same planet in terms of playing rankings.

The whole rings thing is getting out of hand. I guess Adam Morrison is gonna be start talking trash about Nash and CP3 soon too.

Robert Horry >>> Michael Jordan

[Kerrsed]

Anyone just personally enjoying Chuck dragging Draymond Green around?

Draymond Green is an idiot if he thinks the rings alone makes him a higher qualified basketball player than Barkley lol. Their not even on the same planet in terms of playing rankings.

The whole rings thing is getting out of hand. I guess Adam Morrison is gonna be start talking trash about Nash and CP3 soon too.

Jordan/Kobe/Lebron aint ****.

The REAL high caliber player was a former Sun with 7 rings.

[Jdiddy701]

What does everyone think about all the coronavirus talk in the NBA? Here’s my guess what happens... the NBA will suspend all remaining games. They will resume games in April/June and all teams will have a play in tournament for the playoffs. Suns have a healthy roster and win the championship.

Goodnight everyone.


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[sunskerr]

Draymond Green is a really **** good player. I think this year he's become underrated. I don't believe he's been "exposed" as many are claiming, because he's never been a lead offensive option and only people who are capable of surface level analysis thought he was the main playmaker of the Warriors. Most of his plays/assists come off the back of something Curry does- Curry was always the main guy. The Warriors offense is specifically set up in a way to get Curry the best looks he can get as often as possible, and Draymond has the second most responsibility in the offense, and like everyone just has to play off Curry like that.

He's actually still been pretty great as a rebounder, defender, and passer, which were always his biggest strengths. You'd be damn sure every team in the league would be better for having Draymond at their PF/C spot, save for like, Milkwaukee and LA.

[sunsbum]

Draymond Green is a really **** good player. I think this year he's become underrated. I don't believe he's been "exposed" as many are claiming, because he's never been a lead offensive option and only people who are capable of surface level analysis thought he was the main playmaker of the Warriors. Most of his plays/assists come off the back of something Curry does- Curry was always the main guy. The Warriors offense is specifically set up in a way to get Curry the best looks he can get as often as possible, and Draymond has the second most responsibility in the offense, and like everyone just has to play off Curry like that.

He's actually still been pretty great as a rebounder, defender, and passer, which were always his biggest strengths. You'd be damn sure every team in the league would be better for having Draymond at their PF/C spot, save for like, Milkwaukee and LA.

Green is not, and never will be.....EVER worth a max contract. Great glue guy if you have the right pieces but you can't pay him that kind of money. It's just foolish. Also who does draymond think he is talking **** to Barkley? He's picking up dollar bills that are falling out of superstars asses for **** sake. Barkley would have destroyed him.

[bwgood77]

What does everyone think about all the coronavirus talk in the NBA? Here’s my guess what happens... the NBA will suspend all remaining games. They will resume games in April/June and all teams will have a play in tournament for the playoffs. Suns have a healthy roster and win the championship.

Goodnight everyone.


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I doubt they suspend games, but they may suspend crowds going to them with minimal personnel, as they've said. Teams have already been instructed to put these plans in place.

[bwgood77]

Draymond Green is a really **** good player. I think this year he's become underrated. I don't believe he's been "exposed" as many are claiming, because he's never been a lead offensive option and only people who are capable of surface level analysis thought he was the main playmaker of the Warriors. Most of his plays/assists come off the back of something Curry does- Curry was always the main guy. The Warriors offense is specifically set up in a way to get Curry the best looks he can get as often as possible, and Draymond has the second most responsibility in the offense, and like everyone just has to play off Curry like that.

He's actually still been pretty great as a rebounder, defender, and passer, which were always his biggest strengths. You'd be damn sure every team in the league would be better for having Draymond at their PF/C spot, save for like, Milkwaukee and LA.

Green is not, and never will be.....EVER worth a max contract. Great glue guy if you have the right pieces but you can't pay him that kind of money. It's just foolish. Also who does draymond think he is talking **** to Barkley? He's picking up dollar bills that are falling out of superstars asses for **** sake. Barkley would have destroyed him.

He's one of the best defenders and passing big men in the game. I think he's worth his contract. Once he gets his weapons back around him, he will be back.

As some sort of franchise cornerstone not in a great system, no, he's not that, but he is as good at what he does as anyone.

[sunsbum]

Draymond Green is a really **** good player. I think this year he's become underrated. I don't believe he's been "exposed" as many are claiming, because he's never been a lead offensive option and only people who are capable of surface level analysis thought he was the main playmaker of the Warriors. Most of his plays/assists come off the back of something Curry does- Curry was always the main guy. The Warriors offense is specifically set up in a way to get Curry the best looks he can get as often as possible, and Draymond has the second most responsibility in the offense, and like everyone just has to play off Curry like that.

He's actually still been pretty great as a rebounder, defender, and passer, which were always his biggest strengths. You'd be damn sure every team in the league would be better for having Draymond at their PF/C spot, save for like, Milkwaukee and LA.

Green is not, and never will be.....EVER worth a max contract. Great glue guy if you have the right pieces but you can't pay him that kind of money. It's just foolish. Also who does draymond think he is talking **** to Barkley? He's picking up dollar bills that are falling out of superstars asses for **** sake. Barkley would have destroyed him.

He's one of the best defenders and passing big men in the game. I think he's worth his contract. Once he gets his weapons back around him, he will be back.

As some sort of franchise cornerstone not in a great system, no, he's not that, but he is as good at what he does as anyone.

I'm selling. He's had the luxury of playing with 2.....at one point 3 of the greatest shooters to ever pick up a basketball. Hes a good player but this guy is a career above average joe if the warriors don't draft him.

[thamadkant]

if Suns miss out on Markannen... or Gallo.

How about shipping off Oubre and maybe Rubio to secure Chris Paul and Draymond Green on a 22 Million per year contract... for 1 year each....

[bigfoot]

I remember that last time one of our rookies got mono. Let's hope Cam Johnson turns out the same way.

Majerle was the last one?

I kinda remember that. Wasn't he in his 30s or late 20s when he got it lol?

It was actually his rookie year (1988) when Thunder Dan got mono. An enlarged spleen is one of major issues with mono as it could rupture due to physical contact.

MAJERLE HOSPITALIZED:

Phoenix Suns rookie guard Dan Majerle, who was diagnosed as having mononucleosis Thursday, has been hospitalized for tests and observation, the club said. Spokesman Barry Ringel said Majerle was admitted Saturday night to Humana Hospital in Phoenix after experiencing discomfort in his abdominal area.

Ringel said the discomfort probably is a side effect of the mononucleosis, but the team wanted Majerle admitted for tests and observation as a precaution.

Majerle is expected to be hospitalized a few days, Ringel said. Majerle, a 6-foot-6, 220-pound first-round draft pick (14th player selected overall), was averaging 9.2 points, 4.1 rebounds and 2.9 assists per game in 21 games. He will be sidelined two to four weeks, but will not be put on injured reserve.

[sunskerr]

Green is not, and never will be.....EVER worth a max contract. Great glue guy if you have the right pieces but you can't pay him that kind of money. It's just foolish. Also who does draymond think he is talking **** to Barkley? He's picking up dollar bills that are falling out of superstars asses for **** sake. Barkley would have destroyed him.

He's one of the best defenders and passing big men in the game. I think he's worth his contract. Once he gets his weapons back around him, he will be back.

As some sort of franchise cornerstone not in a great system, no, he's not that, but he is as good at what he does as anyone.

I'm selling. He's had the luxury of playing with 2.....at one point 3 of the greatest shooters to ever pick up a basketball. Hes a good player but this guy is a career above average joe if the warriors don't draft him.

I don't care about the Barkley beef.

I think you're getting hung up on the definition of "max contract" which has a few definitions that all involve different amounts of money. Draymond's contract is about $25m per year (starts at $22m and ends at about $27m). This is not Curry's max, which is iirc like $40m per, or KD's max, also about $40m per. Another max contract signed in an earlier season is Mike Conleys, at about $30m per year. Devin Booker's max contract is also about $31.5m per year.

Draymond's "max" is well below those guys, so the word "max" doesn't necessarily carry too much weight in this discussion.

The only thing that is relevant is his production per dollar. Quite frankly, I don't think he's worth his contract, so I disagree with you, BW. But if his contract were a little lower (like $5m per year lower, so not very much), I think he's a hell of a player to have with the right team. He's a hell of a defender because he can block shots, defend the post, and gives you more switching flexibility on the perimeter. On offense he doesn't require a lot of shots and is very good at making quick passing decisions - easily one of the best forwards at doing this.

Here's a hypothetical front line lineup that doesn't involve Curry/Thompson:

Mikal Bridges (or any shooting/defensive wing- I just happen to think Mikal is great to use as a generic stand in)
Draymond Green
Karl Anthony-Towns

How good does that look? Especially considering Towns improved (not incredibly well, but reasonably) on defense. You would want that lineup on your team 10/10 times if you didn't have Giannis or LeBron and AD. Even if we replace KAT with, say, Ayton, you would still like Green throwing all those lobs to a guy like Ayton, which is something Green is ridiculously good at.

Let's look some actual teams now and throw him on the Hawks

Trae
Green
Collins

Wow. No explanation needed. You could even throw him in Pelicans lineup over Favors as the center. Or the Rockets.

Pelicans---------------Rockets
Jrue -------------------Harden
Zion--------------------Covington
Green------------------Green

There are a lot of different things you could do with a player like Green. He's still one of the more interesting players in the game.

[RiRuHoops]

Green ? undersized big man who's getting old and has limited offensive skills: STAY AWAY.

[bwgood77]

Green is not, and never will be.....EVER worth a max contract. Great glue guy if you have the right pieces but you can't pay him that kind of money. It's just foolish. Also who does draymond think he is talking **** to Barkley? He's picking up dollar bills that are falling out of superstars asses for **** sake. Barkley would have destroyed him.

He's one of the best defenders and passing big men in the game. I think he's worth his contract. Once he gets his weapons back around him, he will be back.

As some sort of franchise cornerstone not in a great system, no, he's not that, but he is as good at what he does as anyone.

I'm selling. He's had the luxury of playing with 2.....at one point 3 of the greatest shooters to ever pick up a basketball. Hes a good player but this guy is a career above average joe if the warriors don't draft him.

And he still will be. Despite playing with them he was still a DPOY and a big part of the 16-17 team. They won 73 games breaking the record without Durant and he was a huge part of that team. I think more important than Klay.

[bwgood77]

He's one of the best defenders and passing big men in the game. I think he's worth his contract. Once he gets his weapons back around him, he will be back.

As some sort of franchise cornerstone not in a great system, no, he's not that, but he is as good at what he does as anyone.

I'm selling. He's had the luxury of playing with 2.....at one point 3 of the greatest shooters to ever pick up a basketball. Hes a good player but this guy is a career above average joe if the warriors don't draft him.

I don't care about the Barkley beef.

I think you're getting hung up on the definition of "max contract" which has a few definitions that all involve different amounts of money. Draymond's contract is about $25m per year (starts at $22m and ends at about $27m). This is not Curry's max, which is iirc like $40m per, or KD's max, also about $40m per. Another max contract signed in an earlier season is Mike Conleys, at about $30m per year. Devin Booker's max contract is also about $31.5m per year.

Draymond's "max" is well below those guys, so the word "max" doesn't necessarily carry too much weight in this discussion.

The only thing that is relevant is his production per dollar. Quite frankly, I don't think he's worth his contract, so I disagree with you, BW. But if his contract were a little lower (like $5m per year lower, so not very much), I think he's a hell of a player to have with the right team. He's a hell of a defender because he can block shots, defend the post, and gives you more switching flexibility on the perimeter. On offense he doesn't require a lot of shots and is very good at making quick passing decisions - easily one of the best forwards at doing this.

Here's a hypothetical front line lineup that doesn't involve Curry/Thompson:

Mikal Bridges (or any shooting/defensive wing- I just happen to think Mikal is great to use as a generic stand in)
Draymond Green
Karl Anthony-Towns

How good does that look? Especially considering Towns improved (not incredibly well, but reasonably) on defense. You would want that lineup on your team 10/10 times if you didn't have Giannis or LeBron and AD. Even if we replace KAT with, say, Ayton, you would still like Green throwing all those lobs to a guy like Ayton, which is something Green is ridiculously good at.

Let's look some actual teams now and throw him on the Hawks

Trae
Green
Collins

Wow. No explanation needed. You could even throw him in Pelicans lineup over Favors as the center. Or the Rockets.

Pelicans---------------Rockets
Jrue -------------------Harden
Zion--------------------Covington
Green------------------Green

There are a lot of different things you could do with a player like Green. He's still one of the more interesting players in the game.

Well I doubt Green is going anywhere and he is far better than a lot of people who have max contracts. This year they just are not playing him much and he's dealt with injuries.

GS also is way over the cap anyway so saving $10 million or something doesn't do them any good (as far as being able to sign someone else) and are under the tax right now. If he was on, say the Clippers, they'd be unstoppable. Any team that has some really good 3 pt shooters...preferably 4 of them to play with him.

[alamin330]

Just some perspective for the pessimists.
Suns are still statistically fighting for a playoff seed despite all of the following:
-Youngest team in the nba
-Number 1 option is only 23
-Number 2 option is only 21
-number 3 option is only 24
-reserve point guards are less than 2 years in the league
- new system/ new coach
-10 new players
- rotation players with 4 second year players and 2 rookies.
-152 games missed due to injury or suspension among our 9 rotation players. (No one has played every game)
-our only 2 vets played all summer

Despite all this Suns still are not eliminated from the playoffs. That’s a lot for any team to overcome especially a team with all babies. The future is looking very very good right now if they keep this core together and add another shooter and some vets on the bench.

[Desertfox]

The Suns are only in playoff contention because everyone else fighting for that 8th spot is also bad. The Dragic led 48 win Suns team that missed the playoffs would sweep this team in a 7 game playoff.

[handsome salary]

Sure. The Suns are 7 games behind the Griz. Let's keep mentioning playoff spot.

[lilfishi22]

if Suns miss out on Markannen... or Gallo.

How about shipping off Oubre and maybe Rubio to secure Chris Paul and Draymond Green on a 22 Million per year contract... for 1 year each....

Even if I wanted to. I don't see how this works logistically. Both Green and CP still have many years left on their deals so where does $22m a year come from?