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Re: OT: Investing - Stocks/Mutual Funds/Bonds/Crypto 

Post#1381 » by humanrefutation » Mon Mar 9, 2020 4:23 pm

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But millions will get it and get sick thus missing work (not to mention all the people that will die from it...because that won't be a small number if this keeps growing). There is already a HUGE financial impact to this thing and it hasn't really even exploded here in the US. My company canceled all work-related travel for the month, SXSW is canceled as are a number of huge conferences across the country (HIMSS typically has about 37,000 people attend. Not this year. Ace Hardware canceled its 14,000 person event in Chicago as did the always fun World Congress of Cardiology 18,000 attendees). Once the rate of new cases starts doubling each day you are going to see the real impact of this thing.


The death rate for COVID 19 is about 3% of test cases - and it's, in all likelihood, far lower simply because the fact that you will have millions people who will get it and recover without ever being tested for it. The flu is at about 0.1%, by comparison.

So let's say the actual mortality rate is closer to 1%, with the vast majority being people out of the workforce already because of age or other chronic illnesses.

That is absolutely a tragedy - personally, to anyone who loses a loved one. But does that have major economic consequences? Probably not.


The question/fear that everyone has is that it will overload health systems unless drastic measures are taken. Is taking 2 weeks to shut down a city/cancel NCAA tournament (play with no crowd) or SXSW events enough? If that's it, we'll get by. If it's something that other countries we rely on cannot get under control or we cannot control for much longer than that...not good.

Overloading health systems might make the mortality rate go higher. A somewhat healthy 55 year old that would otherwise recover with a respirator for a few days/hours may not get access to one and die.


Yeah, I agree that overloading health systems would be a major problem, but I think we're a ways away from having medical systems that are so significantly overtaxed that otherwise healthy people are dying because of it.

The more likely scenario is that you'll see events cancelled (as it's happening already) or significantly reduced in scope (like the matches being played abroad without crowds). That's precautionary, and understandable, and will have economic impacts on those areas. But I don't see that as a cause for a national recession of this scope.
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Post#1382 » by HaroldinGMinor » Mon Mar 9, 2020 4:46 pm

The other issue is that healthy people may be quarantined. So you don't even have to be sick to miss work. It's really too soon to know what's going to happen but even if we hit the middle of most projections this thing is going to have a serious impact on the workforce.
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Post#1383 » by crkone » Mon Mar 9, 2020 4:50 pm

We can do some quick math to relate it to Wisconsin. There are about 970,000 people over 65 in Wisconsin. There are currently 11,050 staffed hospital beds in Wisconsin. If we say only 1% of all over 65 in Wisconsin become seriously ill, that is around 9,700 sick elderly. If we use a 70% infection rate and still say the seriously ill rate that needs a hospital visit is 1%, it would be about 6,800 hospital beds just for the elderly.

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Post#1384 » by crkone » Mon Mar 9, 2020 5:03 pm

crkone wrote:We can do some quick math to relate it to Wisconsin. There are about 970,000 people over 65 in Wisconsin. There are currently 11,050 staffed hospital beds in Wisconsin. If we say only 1% of all over 65 in Wisconsin become seriously ill, that is around 9,700 sick elderly. If we use a 70% infection rate and still say the seriously ill rate that needs a hospital visit is 1%, it would be about 6,800 hospital beds just for the elderly.


Now, we can spread this out over say a 3 month time period (can we?). So about 2,270 beds taken up just by the boomer/elderly at a 70% of all boomer/elderly in the state, conservative 1% seriously ill rate. I see estimates are from 20-70% for the infection rate but I'd imagine that the elderly population would have a much higher infection rate.

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Post#1385 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Mar 9, 2020 5:05 pm

Naive question again - I doubt we'll go to the lengths of China and we are also not going to be hit with this like Wuhan was, but are there opportunities for temporary setups with like the medical national guard helping out (I'm sure there is major overlap between the NG and standard workforce)?
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Post#1386 » by Stannis » Mon Mar 9, 2020 6:16 pm

Do you guys think this is a buying opportunity for oil stocks or should you wait?
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Post#1387 » by DigitalFool » Mon Mar 9, 2020 6:28 pm

Stannis wrote:Do you guys think this is a buying opportunity for oil stocks or should you wait?


I put a little in XLE, but I think there is much more room to drop. I'm also watching cruise stocks - especially when the divs get cut eventually for much needed short term cash. Also mad I closed my SPXS position last week (up 22% today)
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Post#1388 » by sidney lanier » Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:19 am

We’re about to enter bear market territory—a place I don’t think most investors under 40 have ever seen before.

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Post#1389 » by REDDzone » Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:15 pm

crkone wrote:We can do some quick math to relate it to Wisconsin. There are about 970,000 people over 65 in Wisconsin. There are currently 11,050 staffed hospital beds in Wisconsin. If we say only 1% of all over 65 in Wisconsin become seriously ill, that is around 9,700 sick elderly. If we use a 70% infection rate and still say the seriously ill rate that needs a hospital visit is 1%, it would be about 6,800 hospital beds just for the elderly.


I posted this on the CA board, but I thought this thread was interesting and shows the real potential problem here (read the whole thing):

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Post#1390 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:40 pm

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crkone wrote:We can do some quick math to relate it to Wisconsin. There are about 970,000 people over 65 in Wisconsin. There are currently 11,050 staffed hospital beds in Wisconsin. If we say only 1% of all over 65 in Wisconsin become seriously ill, that is around 9,700 sick elderly. If we use a 70% infection rate and still say the seriously ill rate that needs a hospital visit is 1%, it would be about 6,800 hospital beds just for the elderly.


I posted this on the CA board, but I thought this thread was interesting and shows the real potential problem here (read the whole thing):

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Post#1391 » by DigitalFool » Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:40 pm

I wish I had a margin account setup right now because 'ZOOM' looks to be mistaken for 'ZM' - that is prime short stock. WOW. Penny stock last year.
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Post#1392 » by MickeyDavis » Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:56 pm

Nice bounce back today. Long way to go. The market will be volatile for months.
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Post#1393 » by Nowak008 » Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:39 am

If you bought a house last year, now might be a good time for a refinance. Rates are super low right now.
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Post#1394 » by sidney lanier » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:15 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:Nice bounce back today. Long way to go. The market will be volatile for months.


And today we bounce down again and hit bear market territory. I wish I understood what causes these extreme day-to-day swings. My guess at the prime suspect are the automated trading systems, but I don't know enough about how these systems work to know how good that guess is.
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Post#1395 » by Ruzious » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:26 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:Nice bounce back today. Long way to go. The market will be volatile for months.


And today we bounce down again and hit bear market territory. I wish I understood what causes these extreme day-to-day swings. My guess at the prime suspect are the automated trading systems, but I don't know enough about how these systems work to know how good that guess is.

I don't know, but I'd guess it was that Saudi Arabia stopped selling off gas at ridiculously low prices, and today is going back to realizing oil prices are still too low and the situation with the virus - which we won't detail. I'm not optimistic about the short run, tbh.
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Post#1396 » by humanrefutation » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:28 pm

I'm trying to figure out when to dive back into the market. Some of these stocks that I've been eyeing are approaching their 52 week lows. I still think we've got a couple weeks of hurting ahead of us.
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Post#1397 » by Ruzious » Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:28 pm

Stannis wrote:Do you guys think this is a buying opportunity for oil stocks or should you wait?

I'm sure there are some specific opportunities, but generally speaking for things like index funds - I would wait.
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Post#1398 » by M-C-G » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:00 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:Nice bounce back today. Long way to go. The market will be volatile for months.


And today we bounce down again and hit bear market territory. I wish I understood what causes these extreme day-to-day swings. My guess at the prime suspect are the automated trading systems, but I don't know enough about how these systems work to know how good that guess is.

I don't know, but I'd guess it was that Saudi Arabia stopped selling off gas at ridiculously low prices, and today is going back to realizing oil prices are still too low and the situation with the virus - which we won't detail. I'm not optimistic about the short run, tbh.


The World Health Organization labeled Coronavirus a global pandemic officially today.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/who-declares-the-coronavirus-outbreak-a-global-pandemic.html
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Post#1399 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:25 pm

I'm fully invested but if I had cash on hand I'd slowly trickle back into the market with that cash. Maybe 1/6 each month over 6 months, something like that. We could be at a low point today (doubtful) or next week or next month. No one knows plain and simple. So you can't wait for bottom.
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Post#1400 » by REDDzone » Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:54 am

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And today we bounce down again and hit bear market territory. I wish I understood what causes these extreme day-to-day swings. My guess at the prime suspect are the automated trading systems, but I don't know enough about how these systems work to know how good that guess is.

I don't know, but I'd guess it was that Saudi Arabia stopped selling off gas at ridiculously low prices, and today is going back to realizing oil prices are still too low and the situation with the virus - which we won't detail. I'm not optimistic about the short run, tbh.


The World Health Organization labeled Coronavirus a global pandemic officially today.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/who-declares-the-coronavirus-outbreak-a-global-pandemic.html


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