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[basketballRob]

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Maybe they should've tested Cliff for coronavirus while he was at the hospital.

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[thelead]

I haven't actually seen the % of cases that genuinely require hospitalisation, and I'd be interested to know. With the amount of fear driven into people I imagine they'll be swamped with a lot of people who don't need to be in the hospital for treatment, which these measures will hopefully help.

Ive heard 20% are critical.

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How many of that 20% are infants, elderly, already sick people, pregnant women? Those kinds of people who have compromised immune systems are normally the ones who are susceptible to other common illnesses.

Saw a doctor on Fox News say he treated 4 people (2 in their 40’s I think, 1 in their 50’s and one in their 80’s), and the 80 year old faired better than the others.

[Ducklett]

I haven't actually seen the % of cases that genuinely require hospitalisation, and I'd be interested to know. With the amount of fear driven into people I imagine they'll be swamped with a lot of people who don't need to be in the hospital for treatment, which these measures will hopefully help.

Ive heard 20% are critical.

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How many of that 20% are infants, elderly, already sick people, pregnant women? Those kinds of people who have compromised immune systems are normally the ones who are susceptible to other common illnesses.

The Chinese doctor who blew the whistle on the whole thing to start was a perfectly health 34 year old and he died to it. I'm not saying you are wrong, but the people telling you that it only effects the infirm are wrong.

[OrlandoNed]

Ive heard 20% are critical.

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How many of that 20% are infants, elderly, already sick people, pregnant women? Those kinds of people who have compromised immune systems are normally the ones who are susceptible to other common illnesses.

The Chinese doctor who blew the whistle on the whole thing to start was a perfectly health 34 year old and he died to it. I'm not saying you are wrong, but the people telling you that it only effects the infirm are wrong.

I take big grains of salt when it comes to reports coming out of places with less than stellar human right track records. I wouldn’t be shocked if the doctor came down with a case of IpissedofftheChinesegovernmentitis instead of coronavirus.

[Ducklett]

How many of that 20% are infants, elderly, already sick people, pregnant women? Those kinds of people who have compromised immune systems are normally the ones who are susceptible to other common illnesses.

The Chinese doctor who blew the whistle on the whole thing to start was a perfectly health 34 year old and he died to it. I'm not saying you are wrong, but the people telling you that it only effects the infirm are wrong.

I take big grains of salt when it comes to reports coming out of places with less than stellar human right track records. I wouldn’t be shocked if the doctor came down with a case of IpissedofftheChinesegovernmentitis instead of coronavirus.

Sure, and if he wasn't basically outspoken til he died continuing his work in the hospital, I would agree with you it was a case of Communist Got'em.

[RookieStar]

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Maybe they should've tested Cliff for coronavirus while he was at the hospital.

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When I saw Cliff looked weak and was taken to the hospital i immediately thought of corona..

but seriously, unless they disinfected that plane and all...im scared our team might get it

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[p0peye]

Coming from european country where politicians are making similarly stupid statements and remarks, myself included, while observing what is going on in countries around the globe where even technologically advanced, well financed and organized societies come to a full stop, I don't think this pandemic is nothing to sneeze at (pun intended).

At first, I too was focusing on analysing available data on numbers and ratios of infected/deceased and demographic segmentation, basically approaching this as NBA game scoreboard, and I have been wrong. This pandemic is not about that, and I've been focusing on wrong numbers.

For comparison, flu infects anywhere from 5% to 20% of particular population (US example below) any given season as immunity has already been built through time, generations and immunizations available for older or immunocompromised people.



But in coronavirus case, there's no immunity for this type of virus in human population on this planet. We will inevitably all get infected, there's not much you can do about it, nor do I think we should panic about it. Whether now or during next winter, our bodies will come into contact with this virus and our immune system will be put to test, with most of people under 50 years of age should go through this without major complications.

However 20% of infected may suffer severe conditions that require medical assistance. The trouble here is, no country in the world is dimensioning it's health care systems to tackle 20% of population to be put in hospitals at once.

Chinese have built a hospital in a week's time - I have no illusions many nations to be capable of such feats. The reason many infected people are put in "house quarantine" even over the phone as they report symptoms similar to that of corona virus - without even testing them to determine is this coronavirus or not - is simple: if you are well enough that you have no major breathing difficulties, you are simply taking the hospital bed reserved for those who need it.

Companies are dealing with business continuity plans for this kind of emergency, but it is fair to believe that we may experience another economic crisis due to extremely high number of workers being out of their workplaces for a month or so at same time.

[pennypennypenny]

I'm italian and I live in one of the most affected areas, I read the same comments in italy few weeks ago and there we are. It's for real, don't understimate this virus, lots of healty adults need intensive care for weeks and hospitals start to be oversaturated. I love nba and I love Magic since I was a kid but it's just sport at the end of the day, think for the greater good please

[basketballRob]

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Maybe they should've tested Cliff for coronavirus while he was at the hospital.

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When I saw Cliff looked weak and was taken to the hospital i immediately thought of corona..

but seriously, unless they disinfected that plane and all...im scared our team might get it

Unfortunately they wouldn't even check him for that. They still don't have enough test, so that's a last resort.

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[basketballRob]

The congressional doctor says he expects between 70 and 150 million people get the virus in the United States.

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[drsd]

Orlando Magic CEO Alex Martins has released the following statement:

“As we’ve said from the beginning, the health and safety of our fans, employees, players and partners is our top priority and thus we fully support the NBA’s decision to postpone games. We will continue to stay in contact with the league, and local, state and federal health experts as we closely monitor this public health crisis. During this period of increased focus on public health due to COVID-19, we ask that our fans continue to practice healthy habits as outlined by the CDC.”

The Magic also announced that tickets already purchased for a postponed game will be honored when the game is rescheduled. If games are not played or played in an empty-arena, fans will have the option to receive a credit for a future game or a refund. Fans can log on to OrlandoMagic.com where ticket and future schedule information will be announced.

[RookieStar]

So appearantly our team is being monitored due to the plane we used???

[Bensational]

Coming from european country where politicians are making similarly stupid statements and remarks, myself included, while observing what is going on in countries around the globe where even technologically advanced, well financed and organized societies come to a full stop, I don't think this pandemic is nothing to sneeze at (pun intended).

At first, I too was focusing on analysing available data on numbers and ratios of infected/deceased and demographic segmentation, basically approaching this as NBA game scoreboard, and I have been wrong. This pandemic is not about that, and I've been focusing on wrong numbers.

For comparison, flu infects anywhere from 5% to 20% of particular population (US example below) any given season as immunity has already been built through time, generations and immunizations available for older or immunocompromised people.



But in coronavirus case, there's no immunity for this type of virus in human population on this planet. We will inevitably all get infected, there's not much you can do about it, nor do I think we should panic about it. Whether now or during next winter, our bodies will come into contact with this virus and our immune system will be put to test, with most of people under 50 years of age should go through this without major complications.

However 20% of infected may suffer severe conditions that require medical assistance. The trouble here is, no country in the world is dimensioning it's health care systems to tackle 20% of population to be put in hospitals at once.

Chinese have built a hospital in a week's time - I have no illusions many nations to be capable of such feats. The reason many infected people are put in "house quarantine" even over the phone as they report symptoms similar to that of corona virus - without even testing them to determine is this coronavirus or not - is simple: if you are well enough that you have no major breathing difficulties, you are simply taking the hospital bed reserved for those who need it.

Companies are dealing with business continuity plans for this kind of emergency, but it is fair to believe that we may experience another economic crisis due to extremely high number of workers being out of their workplaces for a month or so at same time.

Well said.

[spinedoc]

Urgent warnings to whom and with respect to what? All a pandemic means is that a disease is prevalent within a country or the world. It does not make anything more deadly.

The “thousands” people keep talking about dying are in comparison to the 7.7 billion people on the planet.

Normal influenza kills 200,000 to 650,000 people every year—even young people sometimes. Where is the panic?

Please. I’m not speaking on ignorance. I’ve consulted with doctors on this who all have told me the same. Turn off the news and consider your sources.

Here's one source, and it ain't CNN. https://www.dynamed.com/condition/covid-19-novel-coronavirus

The editor of this article is a Harvard professor and Infectious Disease specialist. It's written by physicians for physicians treating patients at the point of care.

And the reason why thousands of deaths is concerning compared to say the flu or measles or car accidents or whatever else that might have a high mortality rate is that this hasn't been contained, and there isn't a vaccine for it yet, so you either fight it off with your natural immune system and antimicrobial medications (something many people can manage) or you can't and there isn't much they can do for you.

It's not a matter of panic, but just a matter of taking the threat seriously and trying to mitigate the damage.

That was good information.

I was surprised to see that the highest number of cases were in those aged 30-65. That does affect a lot of people that I wouldn’t have suspected. I suppose that also incorporates those that are most commonly in contact with others and those are cases of not deaths caused by.

Because it’s so new, I do see the reason to take precautions and be aware of it generally. I think Bensational summarized it best in his post here.

I’m still not seeing anything that I think is especially alarming, and I think that the statistics are being viewed in a light most favorable to panic because that’s what the media would like to do to keep you glued to their 24/7 coverage, but that was a good source with good info.

I couldn't read anymore without commenting after this. This mindset is so dangerous right now. Not being able to believe in the media or discern truth is reckless. The same goes for anti-government views that I keep hearing consistently. Instead of discounting information from others, you could take this time to go educate yourself on the facts. Even when presented with more information, you have to take a shot at the media. Maybe you shouldn't avoid information based on some illogical inherent bias. The problem is, someone else may be persuaded by your lazy argument and not check the facts as well. This is what I fear of spreading, ignorance. This coronavirus is brand new to mankind and none of us have been exposed to it. None of us have built up antigens, not to mention that it is highly contagious. Its not super deadly like Ebola, but many will get it if exposed. It is 10 times more deadly than Influenza and much more contagious. Thank goodness that it doesn't effect children as much, but the elderly is at serious risk. Its not panic, its rational fear and human nature. I have to combat this attitude all day in my practice, I suppose it wouldn't be much different on a basketball website. Quit cursing the darkness people, and please simply light a candle.

[jezzerinho]

Here in Spain, like in Italy, we reacted too slowly to the initial cases of the virus. Now the growth is exponential. We're at 2.6 further infections per person infected, which needs to be under 1 for the health system not to collapse. The only way to achieve that is social distancing and improved personal hygiene.
A little too late, all public events, sporting events and now schools are suspended until further notice. As a company owner, we're beginning work from home procedures from Monday.

In the US, this will spread quickly and cause a lot of deaths without similar measures ASAP. i don't know how the lack of universal healthcare and tests/treatments possibly not being free to all will affect the spread, but I imagine it can't help.

This virus won't be beaten until a vaccine or very good antiviral is found. Until then, it's a case of keeping the rate of infection down so the health system can cope.

[GelbeWand09]

Great article & analysis

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

This is ridiculous. Mass hysteria over nothing and PC culture coming in hot.

I really don't see how "PC culture" has anything to do with being precautionary. If I hear about snowflakes and the coronavirus I will roll my eyes so far in the back my head. It's just reckless to spread something to players and fans if they know one of their own has it and there's a two week period where you have no idea if you have it or not... regardless if isn't going to kill 90% of the people that has it, it's still something that should be taken seriously.

PC culture in the sense of a bunch of Karens that need to speak to the manager would demand that the NBA shut it down. I’m not going into snowflakes and whatnot.

Again, I think this is ridiculous because cases of TB or Measles or something are far more contagious but because this is new, everyone is losing their minds. COVID 19 is more lethal than the common flu, but not by much

Plus we can narrow down who is most at risk. It isn’t like this is going to wipe out a bunch of otherwise very healthy people. Remember swine flu? Same thing.

Your stance here is not going to age well. That is all I'll say, I'm not looking to change your mind.

[EAS Law]

Here's one source, and it ain't CNN. https://www.dynamed.com/condition/covid-19-novel-coronavirus

The editor of this article is a Harvard professor and Infectious Disease specialist. It's written by physicians for physicians treating patients at the point of care.

And the reason why thousands of deaths is concerning compared to say the flu or measles or car accidents or whatever else that might have a high mortality rate is that this hasn't been contained, and there isn't a vaccine for it yet, so you either fight it off with your natural immune system and antimicrobial medications (something many people can manage) or you can't and there isn't much they can do for you.

It's not a matter of panic, but just a matter of taking the threat seriously and trying to mitigate the damage.

That was good information.

I was surprised to see that the highest number of cases were in those aged 30-65. That does affect a lot of people that I wouldn’t have suspected. I suppose that also incorporates those that are most commonly in contact with others and those are cases of not deaths caused by.

Because it’s so new, I do see the reason to take precautions and be aware of it generally. I think Bensational summarized it best in his post here.

I’m still not seeing anything that I think is especially alarming, and I think that the statistics are being viewed in a light most favorable to panic because that’s what the media would like to do to keep you glued to their 24/7 coverage, but that was a good source with good info.

I couldn't read anymore without commenting after this. This mindset is so dangerous right now. Not being able to believe in the media or discern truth is reckless. The same goes for anti-government views that I keep hearing consistently. Instead of discounting information from others, you could take this time to go educate yourself on the facts. Even when presented with more information, you have to take a shot at the media. Maybe you shouldn't avoid information based on some illogical inherent bias. The problem is, someone else may be persuaded by your lazy argument and not check the facts as well. This is what I fear of spreading, ignorance. This coronavirus is brand new to mankind and none of us have been exposed to it. None of us have built up antigens, not to mention that it is highly contagious. Its not super deadly like Ebola, but many will get it if exposed. It is 10 times more deadly than Influenza and much more contagious. Thank goodness that it doesn't effect children as much, but the elderly is at serious risk. Its not panic, its rational fear and human nature. I have to combat this attitude all day in my practice, I suppose it wouldn't be much different on a basketball website. Quit cursing the darkness people, and please simply light a candle.

Thank you for your holier than thou approach and your input as an ortho.

Skepticism about the media is reckless? Really? Did you even read the information provided? Because it’s a general overview of what’s mostly known already with some additional information—nothing that supports an idea that this is some death sentence virus or something to be terrified about. I’m simply looking at data to “educate myself” and coming to the conclusion that it does not warrant the widespread panic that’s occurring.

You’re right that we don’t yet have vaccines and antivirals to combat this one yet, but the facts also indicate that it’s possible for natural immune responses to prevail. This virus isn’t “nothing” but it does not warrant the panic. Get over yourself please. FWIW your response seems pretty lazy to me as well.