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[MagicFan101]

Donavan Mitchell tests positive

[EAS Law]

Projection isn't going to get you out of this one. Its your response that is knee jerk and reactionary, not the other way around. Its not the media trying to sell more soda here. Its an inherent bias that has you discounting the "media" like its all the same. There is a big chasm in that one word that you so loosely throw out. I am a big believer in the fact that inherent immunization is a big factor here. My profession is predicated on that philosophy actually. There is a reason why not everyone in a room gets an illness when someone opens a vial from the lab. Pasteur himself said on his death bed that it wasn't the virus, but rather the medium on which it grows as being the most important factor. My holier than though attitude, as you put it, comes from years of education and experience. Its probably why you have such issues with portals of information. because like too many, you think you know more than you actually do. Now, you have a nice day.

I’m actually pretty receptive to information when presented from credible sources and when looking at things in context. In the interest of self-preservation, why would I deny fact that something is dangerous?

Forgive my lack of clarity here, but are you saying that the people that have survived infection simply have an inherent immune response to this virus? Can you explain what you mean by inherent immunity?

My years of experience tend to focus on analyzing information to best put things in context before making decisions or drawing conclusions. I know that you have exposure to many disciplines throughout your career—I’m trying to understand why I’m apparently so off on this.

Sure, a normal, healthy, functioning body can make an antigen when exposed to something foreign than itself. That antigen is a marker on the cell that allows your cells to attack and destroy it. Now, people with compromised immune systems can't do this very well for a variety of reasons. No one has ever been exposed to this before so we don't have what is called herd immunity. Its how a vaccine works as well. They give you a small dosage of whatever it is, and then your body will build up antibodies to it so it can fight the bug more successfully. Of course not getting the bug in the first place like washing your hands works so well, but being a healthy host also has a tremendous effect. Things like eating well, proper sleep, exercise, and even positive mental attitude can have a big effect on the margins. The virulence is one side of the equation, the medium being the other. For those of us that have had basic chemistry class, remember E-Coli for example. It will only grow on a certain type of agar, I think it was EMB if not mistaken. That's what Pasteur was saying when he revised his germ theory.

I see and thank you for explaining it.

Again, asking sincerely and apologies for prior hostility, doesn’t this mean that those that would be susceptible to death or serious danger would have been immunocompromised anyway? This is kind of what I have been trying to get across. Those that fit your description, who would present as otherwise normal/healthy do not need to be especially concerned—is that wrong?

I agree that we need to stop the spread because we can carry and then infect loved ones causing death—is that the central point of the drastic concern, or is it appropriate for everyone to be fearful regardless of immune response capabilities?

[tiderulz]

I’m actually pretty receptive to information when presented from credible sources and when looking at things in context. In the interest of self-preservation, why would I deny fact that something is dangerous?

Forgive my lack of clarity here, but are you saying that the people that have survived infection simply have an inherent immune response to this virus? Can you explain what you mean by inherent immunity?

My years of experience tend to focus on analyzing information to best put things in context before making decisions or drawing conclusions. I know that you have exposure to many disciplines throughout your career—I’m trying to understand why I’m apparently so off on this.

Sure, a normal, healthy, functioning body can make an antigen when exposed to something foreign than itself. That antigen is a marker on the cell that allows your cells to attack and destroy it. Now, people with compromised immune systems can't do this very well for a variety of reasons. No one has ever been exposed to this before so we don't have what is called herd immunity. Its how a vaccine works as well. They give you a small dosage of whatever it is, and then your body will build up antibodies to it so it can fight the bug more successfully. Of course not getting the bug in the first place like washing your hands works so well, but being a healthy host also has a tremendous effect. Things like eating well, proper sleep, exercise, and even positive mental attitude can have a big effect on the margins. The virulence is one side of the equation, the medium being the other. For those of us that have had basic chemistry class, remember E-Coli for example. It will only grow on a certain type of agar, I think it was EMB if not mistaken. That's what Pasteur was saying when he revised his germ theory.

I see and thank you for explaining it.

Again, asking sincerely and apologies for prior hostility, doesn’t this mean that those that would be susceptible to death or serious danger would have been immunocompromised anyway? This is kind of what I have been trying to get across. Those that fit your description, who would present as otherwise normal/healthy do not need to be especially concerned—is that wrong?

I agree that we need to stop the spread because we can carry and then infect loved ones causing death—is that the central point of the drastic concern, or is it appropriate for everyone to be fearful regardless of immune response capabilities?

but we now have 2 NBA players, in their prime, and lets face it most NBA athletes are better conditioned and in better shape than 95% of the world (not talking about you Big Baby), and they tested positive. How does that fair for the people that dont have private chefs and eat as healthy as they do, workout as much as they do.

[rcklsscognition]

Donavan Mitchell tests positive

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Fournier getting killed on Twitter for defending Gobert.

[MagicFan101]

Donavan Mitchell tests positive

Read on Twitter

Fournier getting killed on Twitter for defending Gobert.

Based on all the information I’m reading ... this thing spreads quick.

They play a game that involves A LOT of physical contact with many people on the court, in the training room and on and on.

This was going to happen. When; not if. I don’t blame anyone.

[tiderulz]

Donavan Mitchell tests positive

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Fournier getting killed on Twitter for defending Gobert.

yeah, Gobert looks extremely stupid now for that

[FFBlitzace]

Please kick my ass if I ever start talking about R-Naughts as if I know wtf an R-Naught is.

I'm in the "obviously it's a serious thing, but let's be reasonable here and not grind society to an unnecessary halt" camp. At some point, the damage caused by the hysteria will be greater than the damage from the virus itself.

[spinedoc]

I’m actually pretty receptive to information when presented from credible sources and when looking at things in context. In the interest of self-preservation, why would I deny fact that something is dangerous?

Forgive my lack of clarity here, but are you saying that the people that have survived infection simply have an inherent immune response to this virus? Can you explain what you mean by inherent immunity?

My years of experience tend to focus on analyzing information to best put things in context before making decisions or drawing conclusions. I know that you have exposure to many disciplines throughout your career—I’m trying to understand why I’m apparently so off on this.

Sure, a normal, healthy, functioning body can make an antigen when exposed to something foreign than itself. That antigen is a marker on the cell that allows your cells to attack and destroy it. Now, people with compromised immune systems can't do this very well for a variety of reasons. No one has ever been exposed to this before so we don't have what is called herd immunity. Its how a vaccine works as well. They give you a small dosage of whatever it is, and then your body will build up antibodies to it so it can fight the bug more successfully. Of course not getting the bug in the first place like washing your hands works so well, but being a healthy host also has a tremendous effect. Things like eating well, proper sleep, exercise, and even positive mental attitude can have a big effect on the margins. The virulence is one side of the equation, the medium being the other. For those of us that have had basic chemistry class, remember E-Coli for example. It will only grow on a certain type of agar, I think it was EMB if not mistaken. That's what Pasteur was saying when he revised his germ theory.

I see and thank you for explaining it.

Again, asking sincerely and apologies for prior hostility, doesn’t this mean that those that would be susceptible to death or serious danger would have been immunocompromised anyway? This is kind of what I have been trying to get across. Those that fit your description, who would present as otherwise normal/healthy do not need to be especially concerned—is that wrong?

I agree that we need to stop the spread because we can carry and then infect loved ones causing death—is that the central point of the drastic concern, or is it appropriate for everyone to be fearful regardless of immune response capabilities?

Yes, exactly. Don't let anyone around your grandparents who have a fever. I'm open for business, so you can see what level of hysteria I'm at. I'm on the front lines, but I try to have good hygiene practices and of course keep my immunity up as well. Worst case scenario for someone like me in their fifties is that if I am contracted with the virus, I will self quarantine at home and manage my viral symptoms. By the way, this is a virus, and we don't have any real treatment for them. The only real concern is that if breathing problems exacerbate and I may need a ventilator or so dehydrated that I need an I.V. Which is the other cause for concern by the way and that has been mentioned, our healthcare system can't handle everyone getting sick at one time. Also, I too am sorry for being snarky. I try not to be with my own patients, but some still beg for it, lol. Seriously, no offense my brother, later.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Spine - Thank you for your well reasoned responses and general education on this. You've done so in a far less condescending manner than I was managing.

Glad you are back and posting.

[EAS Law]

Sure, a normal, healthy, functioning body can make an antigen when exposed to something foreign than itself. That antigen is a marker on the cell that allows your cells to attack and destroy it. Now, people with compromised immune systems can't do this very well for a variety of reasons. No one has ever been exposed to this before so we don't have what is called herd immunity. Its how a vaccine works as well. They give you a small dosage of whatever it is, and then your body will build up antibodies to it so it can fight the bug more successfully. Of course not getting the bug in the first place like washing your hands works so well, but being a healthy host also has a tremendous effect. Things like eating well, proper sleep, exercise, and even positive mental attitude can have a big effect on the margins. The virulence is one side of the equation, the medium being the other. For those of us that have had basic chemistry class, remember E-Coli for example. It will only grow on a certain type of agar, I think it was EMB if not mistaken. That's what Pasteur was saying when he revised his germ theory.

I see and thank you for explaining it.

Again, asking sincerely and apologies for prior hostility, doesn’t this mean that those that would be susceptible to death or serious danger would have been immunocompromised anyway? This is kind of what I have been trying to get across. Those that fit your description, who would present as otherwise normal/healthy do not need to be especially concerned—is that wrong?

I agree that we need to stop the spread because we can carry and then infect loved ones causing death—is that the central point of the drastic concern, or is it appropriate for everyone to be fearful regardless of immune response capabilities?

but we now have 2 NBA players, in their prime, and lets face it most NBA athletes are better conditioned and in better shape than 95% of the world (not talking about you Big Baby), and they tested positive. How does that fair for the people that dont have private chefs and eat as healthy as they do, workout as much as they do.

This is just my opinion, but I believe it’s likely that many, maybe even most people will be exposed to the virus, what’s important is the end result.

I’m confident Gobert and Mitchell will be fine as will most others. Those with prior conditions, the elderly, those that have weakened immune systems that are susceptible to these types of viruses are another story.

[tiderulz]

I see and thank you for explaining it.

Again, asking sincerely and apologies for prior hostility, doesn’t this mean that those that would be susceptible to death or serious danger would have been immunocompromised anyway? This is kind of what I have been trying to get across. Those that fit your description, who would present as otherwise normal/healthy do not need to be especially concerned—is that wrong?

I agree that we need to stop the spread because we can carry and then infect loved ones causing death—is that the central point of the drastic concern, or is it appropriate for everyone to be fearful regardless of immune response capabilities?

but we now have 2 NBA players, in their prime, and lets face it most NBA athletes are better conditioned and in better shape than 95% of the world (not talking about you Big Baby), and they tested positive. How does that fair for the people that dont have private chefs and eat as healthy as they do, workout as much as they do.

This is just my opinion, but I believe it’s likely that many, maybe even most people will be exposed to the virus, what’s important is the end result.

I’m confident Gobert and Mitchell will be fine as will most others. Those with prior conditions, the elderly, those that have weakened immune systems that are susceptible to these types of viruses are another story.

its not "many" in my opinion. It will be everyone. There is no way, short of moving to the moon right now, that someone wont be exposed to this. They have already shown, all 30 teams have been exposed to either Gobert or someone who played against Gobert in the last 4 days. the general public just need to stop acting like its the normal flu.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Oh also, and I'm sure docs can attest to this. We already run our hospitals at capacity once corporations successfully took them over. So even 1.6% or whatever the regular flu is annually stresses our hospitals to max cap. What do you think will happen when close to HALF (on the high end) of all America contracts this thing?

[paperboymafia]

This is not gonna blow over in a matter of weeks, think more in terms of months. 3 months is being conservative.

[Optimus_Steel]

Oh also, and I'm sure docs can attest to this. We already run our hospitals at capacity once corporations successfully took them over. So even 1.6% or whatever the regular flu is annually stresses our hospitals to max cap. What do you think will happen when close to HALF (on the high end) of all America contracts this thing?

That's a great point. Some hospitals are run by private equity and they cut so much to the bone. Even in terms of doctors and nurses, in some cases they have the least amount staffed they could have and that is under normal circumstances. Also supplies are only produced to the minimum possible so there is no stash to grab from.

[OrlDave]

This is a graphic as to why taking these precautions is important. I hope it helps clear things up. https://external-preview.redd.it/I7zrqzYpoVcXg-nlANxu8Kuk46o4lQf0d9OuSD2TQrM.gif?format=mp4&s=f4172e301b372354102929c0ea8b28e8c40ccba4

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

This is not gonna blow over in a matter of weeks, think more in terms of months. 3 months is being conservative.

This, I'd say plan for a year if you can.

This is that "Outbreak" movie type virus.

I think I remember EAS asking about inherent, and someone correct me if I am wrong here. But I'd like to try and explain why that word is so important for understanding what this is.

Inherent is the herd immunity type thing. Inherent traits are traits passed down through generations. Like if blue eyes run in your family.

So inherent in this context means, we have never dealt with this virus, we have no built up immunity and no chance for any vaccine for at least a year or so...
This isn't bird or swine or SARS, which we all have immunity built in from dealing with them before.

This is a completely different and new virus, that doctors are just now racing to UNDERSTAND, to then work on creating a vaccination.

And this virus has spread much faster than what we expected, only the Chinese so far have reported a decrease in spread (and it is entirely possible they are lying.) The Chinese, who while building a hospital, installed a 20ft wall all around Wuhan! Their Draconian measures have so far produced the best results so far.

I don't recall if this was already shared here, but it is a really good primer with stats backing up everything said:

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Oh also, and I'm sure docs can attest to this. We already run our hospitals at capacity once corporations successfully took them over. So even 1.6% or whatever the regular flu is annually stresses our hospitals to max cap. What do you think will happen when close to HALF (on the high end) of all America contracts this thing?

That's a great point. Some hospitals are run by private equity and they cut so much to the bone. Even in terms of doctors and nurses, in some cases they have the least amount staffed they could have and that is under normal circumstances. Also supplies are only produced to the minimum possible so there is no stash to grab from.

Exactly! Add to that that this admin has gutted all of these response teams to pay for a wall, and then refused to deal with Doctors and Scientists because he is a narcissist, America will probably suffer more than the rest. SMDH

Also no single payer here... FFS

[rcklsscognition]

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Geeze. That combined with the Magic using the same airplane, hopefully this blows over.

[OrlChamps2030]

Oh also, and I'm sure docs can attest to this. We already run our hospitals at capacity once corporations successfully took them over. So even 1.6% or whatever the regular flu is annually stresses our hospitals to max cap. What do you think will happen when close to HALF (on the high end) of all America contracts this thing?

One of the many reasons we must take this pandemic seriously..

Reading through this thread was like driving by a car wreck. Just couldn’t help but continue to read as bad as a certain poster’s takes were

[EAS Law]

Oh also, and I'm sure docs can attest to this. We already run our hospitals at capacity once corporations successfully took them over. So even 1.6% or whatever the regular flu is annually stresses our hospitals to max cap. What do you think will happen when close to HALF (on the high end) of all America contracts this thing?

One of the many reasons we must take this pandemic seriously..

Reading through this thread was like driving by a car wreck. Just couldn’t help but continue to read as bad as a certain poster’s takes were

Very cute. I’m sure you’re practically an expert on the topic as well.