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[spinedoc]

To address the several responses—I have actually been sifting through whatever information I could find from credible sources like healthline or CDC and interpreting that info as I read it.

I’m not here to talk about “snowflakes” or “fake news” or whatever. That has nothing to do with this.

What I’m seeing today are posts about how hard it must be to be in a red state and Trump this or that—bringing gun control issues and the Afghanistan war into this discussion. It’s obvious.

Add to that, all of a sudden everyone “knows” my political affiliation now based on my scrutiny of data presented and wow is that not a defensive political response. I even stated that I was shocked at the CDC testing and how that directly falls under the purview of the Executive Branch. Lol

Spinedoc, I’m not referring to you at all so relax. You and I had a good exchange at the end there.

Tide, same thing.

As to others that turned this into a personal attack sesh and a “I’m smarter than you because I do numbers” interaction, you guys enjoy the panic parade.

I’m the one bringing backwards politics into this?

I'm not trying to insult or disrespect you either, but you clearly don't see your own bias from your comments and stance you took. I am getting an overwhelming sense from my conservative patients and friends that this is all media blowing things out of proportion. Its been a conservative mantra for awhile now to not trust the "main" stream news, and this is a continuation of that. The news channels didn't get everyone to cancel all these events in a domino fashion. So, when I see someone make an argument about the media being out of line or having issues of reality, or at least insinuate that, I already know which road you've been traveling. I'm trying to navigate that myself and educate without being accusatory. I just thought it was ironic that you would post that is all, and wanted to bring your attention to it.

[MagicFan101]

As to others that turned this into a personal attack sesh and a “I’m smarter than you because I do numbers” interaction, you guys enjoy the panic parade.

If politics is what you're interested in then fine ...

Please avoid comments like this. - Knightro

[EAS Law]

To address the several responses—I have actually been sifting through whatever information I could find from credible sources like healthline or CDC and interpreting that info as I read it.

I’m not here to talk about “snowflakes” or “fake news” or whatever. That has nothing to do with this.

What I’m seeing today are posts about how hard it must be to be in a red state and Trump this or that—bringing gun control issues and the Afghanistan war into this discussion. It’s obvious.

Add to that, all of a sudden everyone “knows” my political affiliation now based on my scrutiny of data presented and wow is that not a defensive political response. I even stated that I was shocked at the CDC testing and how that directly falls under the purview of the Executive Branch. Lol

Spinedoc, I’m not referring to you at all so relax. You and I had a good exchange at the end there.

Tide, same thing.

As to others that turned this into a personal attack sesh and a “I’m smarter than you because I do numbers” interaction, you guys enjoy the panic parade.

I’m the one bringing backwards politics into this?

I'm not trying to insult or disrespect you either, but you clearly don't see your own bias from your comments and stance you took. I am getting an overwhelming sense from my conservative patients and friends that this is all media blowing things out of proportion. Its been a conservative mantra for awhile now to not trust the "main" stream news, and this is a continuation of that. The news channels didn't get everyone to cancel all these events in a domino fashion. So, when I see someone make an argument about the media being out of line or having issues of reality, or at least insinuate that, I already know which road you've been traveling. I'm trying to navigate that myself and educate without being accusatory. I just thought it was ironic that you would post that is all, and wanted to bring your attention to it.

I understand and appreciate that. FWIW I see motivation from all sides to make particular arguments. Fox News for example runs this story NONSTOP as does every other 24/7 source.

Trump and conservatives may say it’s no big deal because he is trying to calm markets and put together a response.

Dems may say Trump is incompetent and here is why...

No Spine, I’m not going to try to argue that this virus is completely irrelevant. My initial post was too strong. I realize this could be very problematic for the elderly and those that have weakened immune systems. My disgust is how normal, healthy people are crowding hospitals with slight sniffles and consuming way more than they need in preparation for possibly nothing and how that harms healthcare professionals at all levels as well as patients experiencing things like heart attacks and strokes among other acute conditions or episodes.

My take is that any new strain of any virus can be dangerous because our bodies have no assistance at that point due to our lack of ability to prepare or fight it. I’m not going to argue that we need to pray it away and follow God Emperor Trump’s directives. I’m simply trying to put numbers into perspective such as the population of China and how that can explain spread numbers/how many smokers are in countries like China and Italy and how that can explain compromises respiratory and cardio conditions and how the virus is especially dangerous to those folks.

[EAS Law]

As to others that turned this into a personal attack sesh and a “I’m smarter than you because I do numbers” interaction, you guys enjoy the panic parade.

If politics is what you're interested in then fine ...

This is the kind of comment that frustrates me about the Trump. He has made being slow, uneducated or even outright dumb a warm and safe space for his sheep. This isn't good for anyone.

You mean comments highlighting the launching of personal attacks based on perceived political bias and then calling people “slow, uneducated, dumb sheep”?

Kind of proving my point.

I have nothing to personally prove to you, so I’ll discuss things with posters that respectfully respond or question even if it’s a bit pointed. Posts like yours are just invitations to get involved with personal bickering.

[basketballRob]

Unfortunately the administration didn't take it seriously and the message got out that it's a hoax and that it's only like a bad cold.

I interact with people everyday that still try to argue these points. It's a common theme with many conservatives that it isn't real.

Plus when he tells everyone that can get tested at any time and that they have a perfect, beautiful test people believe him.

Sorry they bungled this and it's so dangerous. My mom is 71 and came down with a cough a couple days ago and she's on the way to the doctor who likely won't be able to test her for Covid-19.

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[spinedoc]

To address the several responses—I have actually been sifting through whatever information I could find from credible sources like healthline or CDC and interpreting that info as I read it.

I’m not here to talk about “snowflakes” or “fake news” or whatever. That has nothing to do with this.

What I’m seeing today are posts about how hard it must be to be in a red state and Trump this or that—bringing gun control issues and the Afghanistan war into this discussion. It’s obvious.

Add to that, all of a sudden everyone “knows” my political affiliation now based on my scrutiny of data presented and wow is that not a defensive political response. I even stated that I was shocked at the CDC testing and how that directly falls under the purview of the Executive Branch. Lol

Spinedoc, I’m not referring to you at all so relax. You and I had a good exchange at the end there.

Tide, same thing.

As to others that turned this into a personal attack sesh and a “I’m smarter than you because I do numbers” interaction, you guys enjoy the panic parade.

I’m the one bringing backwards politics into this?

I'm not trying to insult or disrespect you either, but you clearly don't see your own bias from your comments and stance you took. I am getting an overwhelming sense from my conservative patients and friends that this is all media blowing things out of proportion. Its been a conservative mantra for awhile now to not trust the "main" stream news, and this is a continuation of that. The news channels didn't get everyone to cancel all these events in a domino fashion. So, when I see someone make an argument about the media being out of line or having issues of reality, or at least insinuate that, I already know which road you've been traveling. I'm trying to navigate that myself and educate without being accusatory. I just thought it was ironic that you would post that is all, and wanted to bring your attention to it.

I understand and appreciate that. FWIW I see motivation from all sides to make particular arguments. Fox News for example runs this story NONSTOP as does every other 24/7 source.

Trump and conservatives may say it’s no big deal because he is trying to calm markets and put together a response.

Dems may say Trump is incompetent and here is why...

No Spine, I’m not going to try to argue that this virus is completely irrelevant. My initial post was too strong. I realize this could be very problematic for the elderly and those that have weakened immune systems. My disgust is how normal, healthy people are crowding hospitals with slight sniffles and consuming way more than they need in preparation for possibly nothing and how that harms healthcare professionals at all levels as well as patients experiencing things like heart attacks and strokes among other acute conditions or episodes.

My take is that any new strain of any virus can be dangerous because our bodies have no assistance at that point due to our lack of ability to prepare or fight it. I’m not going to argue that we need to pray it away and follow God Emperor Trump’s directives. I’m simply trying to put numbers into perspective such as the population of China and how that can explain spread numbers/how many smokers are in countries like China and Italy and how that can explain compromises respiratory and cardio conditions and how the virus is especially dangerous to those folks.

Yeah, can't argue with that. That is a very reasonable and articulate argument. You see the point here though about misinformation and which political affiliation is suffering the most from it right now though? Not saying Dems or Libs aren't capable of it either, just right now it is mostly in one direction as I see it.

[Optimus_Steel]

Unfortunately the administration didn't take it seriously and the message got out that it's a hoax and that it's only like a bad cold.

I interact with people everyday that still try to argue these points. It's a common theme with many conservatives that it isn't real.

Plus when he tells everyone that can get tested at any time and that they have a perfect, beautiful test people believe him.

Sorry they bungled this and it's so dangerous. My mom is 71 and came down with a cough a couple days ago and she's on the way to the doctor who likely won't be able to test her for Covid-19.

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Arguing is a hoax makes them feel better because they don't have to rationalize its a real issue, its like an escape.

But telling the American people that you can get tested when you want which is a giant lie, as testing kits are scarce and even the testing kits that exist, some are lacking materials that make them fully operational, is not only negligent, its malicious.

[basketballRob]

Unfortunately the administration didn't take it seriously and the message got out that it's a hoax and that it's only like a bad cold.

I interact with people everyday that still try to argue these points. It's a common theme with many conservatives that it isn't real.

Plus when he tells everyone that can get tested at any time and that they have a perfect, beautiful test people believe him.

Sorry they bungled this and it's so dangerous. My mom is 71 and came down with a cough a couple days ago and she's on the way to the doctor who likely won't be able to test her for Covid-19.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

Arguing is a hoax makes them feel better because they don't have to rationalize its a real issue, its like an escape.

But telling the American people that you can get tested when you want which is a giant lie, as testing kits are scarce and even the testing kits that exist, some are lacking materials that make them fully operational, is not only negligent, its malicious.

The news on my mom is she has acute bronchitis and possible pneumonia in her right lung. They say they have no Covid-19 test to give her.

They also say it's the same treatment either way and she's still contagious.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

[Optimus_Steel]

Unfortunately the administration didn't take it seriously and the message got out that it's a hoax and that it's only like a bad cold.

I interact with people everyday that still try to argue these points. It's a common theme with many conservatives that it isn't real.

Plus when he tells everyone that can get tested at any time and that they have a perfect, beautiful test people believe him.

Sorry they bungled this and it's so dangerous. My mom is 71 and came down with a cough a couple days ago and she's on the way to the doctor who likely won't be able to test her for Covid-19.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

Arguing is a hoax makes them feel better because they don't have to rationalize its a real issue, its like an escape.

But telling the American people that you can get tested when you want which is a giant lie, as testing kits are scarce and even the testing kits that exist, some are lacking materials that make them fully operational, is not only negligent, its malicious.

The news on my mom is she has acute bronchitis and possible pneumonia in her right lung. They say they have no Covid-19 test to give her.

They also say it's the same treatment either way and she's still contagious.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

I hope your mom is able to get better and quickly.

[pepe1991]

How da hell you can turn global pandemia into pro/against Trump talk?

[thelead]

not attacking, just wondering. How was any discussion yesterday politically motivated? maybe im not seeing it, i didnt see any political points brought in. and i freely admit, i could just not be seeing it

Agreed. I take shots at Trump from time to time on this board but I don't recall seeing anything 'political' in this discussion.

I’m not very good at embedding things but read through the last maybe 3 pages. The tweet regarding gun control/Afghanistan and Iraq wars, followed by comments regarding the plight of being in a “red state”. I didn’t make it up.

Let's move on from the political talk. I really don't want to post videos of President 'It's just a Hoax'.

I hope that all we're doing in this country works and we can get back to our regular lives in a month and have the stock market rebound 100%.

And before you attack me politically, I HATE our president but don't like Biden and HATE a lot of Bernie's plans.

[spinedoc]

How da hell you can turn global pandemia into pro/against Trump talk?

Because the response in this country makes a difference. We would rather not go through the Italian model. I'm frustrated too with the lack of leadership and misleading the public.

[thelead]

How da hell you can turn global pandemia into pro/against Trump talk?

It'll get political if I answer that question

[j-ragg]

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[pepe1991]

How da hell you can turn global pandemia into pro/against Trump talk?

Because the response in this country makes a difference. We would rather not go through the Italian model. I'm frustrated too with the lack of leadership and misleading the public.

Italy didn't have "model". They have memorandum with China that they signed few years ago that allows Chineese tourists to travel with direct airlines to Italy in return for some businesses in China from Italian brands.
So their direct lines of traveling ( that by default , are all in Lombardia, the most affected area) are only reason why Italy got so infected so fast.

As China got infected, nobody really did nothing for first few weeks, and nobody took it seriously, direct flys from China to Italy continued until it was too late.

It's not really that complicated to understand.

As far as i know USA stopped international flights. It's almost impossible to close borders in the world in general, lot of people work in one country and live in another nowdays.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

I’m beginning to understand the exchanges from yesterday and how politically-motivated The attitudes on this topic actually are. It makes sense now. Carry on fellas. Good luck to all.

That's funny because I knew your political leanings immediately from your first post. You share the same verbage. Its far too coincidental for a large group to all say the same thing, clearly you are getting these talking points from somewhere else. I don't want to fight about it, but I certainly understood your "media" problem from the very beginning. Instead of hearing anyone else's opinion, just do your own research on the subject and see how it navigates through your own filter, don't use someone else's. Here is a thought for you however, what if people have political motivations based on the facts they have assimilated, rather than have their facts structured based on their political motivations? Meaning, there was no need to come back and take a veiled shot at anyone having political bias, when clearly you have it in spades, right?

Like I said at the beginning, his thoughts on the matter won't age well, and it was proven within a matter of hours. The 2nd part that I wasn't going to bother trying to change his mind. I would submit maybe let's just leave him alone. If he still doesn't understand what will happen. It will be undeniable for him soon enough if he lives in America.

[The Real Dalic]

Ooh boy, you could just tell it was going to turn into a political Anti-Trump thread from the beginning. Everyone should be working together to get through a world crisis like this, instead, we get bickering and finger pointing. This is why the world is so messed up.

[OrlandO]

People of Orlando, there's only so much crap that comes out of you each week... stop panic buying toilet paper.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

Unfortunately the administration didn't take it seriously and the message got out that it's a hoax and that it's only like a bad cold.

I interact with people everyday that still try to argue these points. It's a common theme with many conservatives that it isn't real.

Plus when he tells everyone that can get tested at any time and that they have a perfect, beautiful test people believe him.

Sorry they bungled this and it's so dangerous. My mom is 71 and came down with a cough a couple days ago and she's on the way to the doctor who likely won't be able to test her for Covid-19.

Sent from my SM-G950U using RealGM mobile app

Ugh, so sorry to read this man.
We'll be seeing that again and again unfortunately.

[The Real Dalic]

No basketball for 30 days at the very least really does mean that it's possible to get JI back before play resumes. That's the silver lining.

Going off limb, i don't think this season will be finished. If they skip pass 3 months in between games ,it's not even really "regular" season any more by any streach of imagination.
In Europian leagues, they talk about just giving thropies for current 1# teams and calling it off for a year.
it's expected that most teams will turn thropy down so nobody will be crowned as "champion".
Soccer Euro is probably also off ( despite starting date is 3 months from now ).

You might be right, just hoping that isn't the case. Would really suck. Just trying to be positive.