OT: The Official Coronavirus thread - Be well, be safe

[robillionaire]

on a side note has anybody in the city tried to get groceries today, i'm about to hit the stores

[Kampuchea]

Should make a politics thread separate from coronavirus thread

[god shammgod]

on a side note has anybody in the city tried to get groceries today, i'm about to hit the stores

lots of stores emptied out

[Kampuchea]

on a side note has anybody in the city tried to get groceries today, i'm about to hit the stores

In NJ it's crowded but most stuff was still available.

Not sure if it makes sense. Oh no I am afraid of Coronavirus so I am going to join a crowd of 500 at Shoprite

[Stannis]

Spoiler:

I take serious issue with pushing out a candidate who is within 100 delegates while there are well over 1000 delegates to be awarded. Neither candidate is even halfway there and a lot of voters deserve a choice. It's fundamentally undemocratic imo. Also, the leverage to pull Biden's agenda left and make sure he actually offers some compromise to the progressive wing is gonna be important. Every exit poll that shows Democrats prefer an agenda to the left of Biden's is valuable data heading into a fight with Trump who will attempt to muddy the convo around certain issues (cuts to Social Security for example).

The progressive agenda will definitely keep growing, but part of that is getting messages and explanations out about what the progressive agenda actually is. That's why I supported both Bernie and Warren with donations. They were informing the broader public of ideals that had been mostly caracatured by most cable news outlets. I'd prefer to keep at least one voice in the race that represents the wants and needs of the next generation. Point blank Bernie wins every Demo 40 and under, those votes deserve representation for at least a while longer.

Biden's mental acuity in full blown dementia would be better than Trump. That's the discussion that needs to be had. Denial won't work, shaming won't work, we need to acknowledge the real flaws in the candidate and figure out how to counterpunch. Trump should make most of that work easy enough. But I think Hillary had an issue with denying or refusing to fully acknowledge past mistakes and what that did was make it harder for people to believe when she denied genuine bad faith arguments (Benghazi and the emails for example).

I agree that Biden himself has been fairly upfront. But there have been some odd attempts to give it cover by his team and some media members. Trying to blame his gaffes all on a stutter is an example and I believe the push by some to dump all future debates is another example. They shouldn't have to hide him when he needs to inspire enthusiasm. I thought his address yesterday was a really good step in the right direction. He needs to build those moments up and have a highlight reel to build into the simple "you can get with this or you can get with that" campaign I believe they'll run on...Bitcofer's negative partisanship really needs to be embraced to beat Trump.

Basically, Biden should be using a campaign against Bernie to assuage concerns and prepare for a much more aggressive and bad faith challenge when Trump is the opponent. Trying to force Bernie out prematurely doesn't show strength and won't inspire any of Sanders' support to vote Biden in a general. They'll more likely stay home. And I say that mainly about the independents, Bernie has won a stronger majority of independents who are much more important swing voters than the Never Trump Republicans who get so much light on news shows.

Edit: just to throw it in, I think the late shift that was heavily endorsement based shows soft support. That's worrisome to me, again not in people swinging to Trump but not showing up. With the virus and economy right now though, almost anyone beats trump. Marianne Williamson would body him. So who knows.

Yep. Prematurely ending the primary is idiotic. They want progressives to hang it up. Clyburn himself basically said the longer this goes, Biden will likely fumble. We just have to put Biden through the test of time, imo.

It's insulting. And the Democratic Party will 100% lose votes if they keep pushing that. I believe they will already lose votes because of that.

Hell, I'm still upset that we didn't get real 1 on 1 debates when this was mostly a 2 man race.

Hidin' Biden is real. And it won't look good if this virus slows down.

[j4remi]

on a side note has anybody in the city tried to get groceries today, i'm about to hit the stores

It was a warzone by me yesterday (North Jersey). Lots of random missing products too. There was damn near no soup, only red meat (no chicken), toilet paper and paper towels were absolutely gone and people were fighting over the store only allowing them to buy two cases of water...the liquor store was well stocked though.

[god shammgod]

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[robillionaire]

Damn that doesn’t look promising. I guess worst case scenario my pizza place is still open and I can steal toilet paper from work

[Deeeez Knicks]

Season 1 of this was great if your looking for something to watch. Season 2 just came out today. Can't wait to watch.

Watch on YouTube

[GONYK]

All the article says is that the youth vote may be more than the 10-19% that was reported from exit polling, but there is no way to know for sure, and it's definitely not nearly as high as Obama was able to turn out.

There's no doubt that there is a surge among older voters for Biden, but he is also buoyed by the black vote and suburban women as well.

Bernie's coalition just can't compete. He never cultivated broad support.

Ehhhh...Biden didn't actually cultivate broad support either...his dominance has been in mostly red states (I can't stand the southern wall BS because of that). He was losing to Bernie in all polling until Pete and Amy's zero hour drop outs and endorsements. It's also worth repeating that Biden voters consistently polled with Bernie as their second choice, so a vote for Biden should not equate to a condemnation of Bernie. It's just a matter of preference from older voters.

Also, if you look at the exit polling, Bernie's progressive ideals have won out in policy polling. M4A beats private insurance in every Democratic exit poll so far; the GND also polled strong, I didn't check every state but what I've seen so far has been that big changes to the economy >>> tweaks. All of that flows with Bernie's agenda. However, "Beating Trump" has been the top priority of voters.

So the narrative that has been built for 5 years now that Bernie is risky combined with the moderate wing coalescing behind Biden to bump the numbers (this is not to mention over 100 million dollars in positive press for Biden since South Carolina). Then throw in Warren's refusal to endorse and create a similar sense of progressive unity and we've got a recipe for Biden going on a big run.

But in terms of cultivating broad support, no candidate was able to do that with the flood of competing options and messages. Biden scored key endorsements and rode the "we have to beat Trump" focus past people's policy preferences. But reality is, exit polls show plenty of support for the progressive agenda.

I appreciate what you are saying, but polling doesn't really matter once votes start coming in. Bernie's whole promise was that he would bring in all these new voters into the electorate. It never happened. In fact, the voters he was counting on as his foundation, the youth, failed him most.

I agree that this isn't necessarily a rebuke of the progressive agenda. Bernie won the policy debate. Biden's policies are as generic as it gets for a Dem.

What does policy matter though if the people don't really care this time around and their only concern is beating Trump? Policy is a very distant second, and I don't think Bernie ever acknowledged that.

He never sought to bring in people from the middle, even when he was the frontrunner. He thought his base was enough, and as long as the primaries were fractured, his 30% would secure him the majority. That was obviously a flawed plan, and he seemed to be caught totally flatfooted by the coalescence around Biden.

The prevailing belief is that people don't vote for Bernie because he's gotten the wrap as a socialist. I think another major contributing factor is that people don't like him because he's openly disdainful of the Democratic party and moderate voters, which is why Biden is the remaining 70%'s first choice. Plus, things like praising Castro doesn't help, and it cost Bernie any chance at Florida.

Biden can pivot a bit more into progressivism now. Bernie has set himself up to where he can never pivot into centrism.

And side note: Biden is blatantly in decline compared to say, his debate performances against Ron Paul. He's better than Trump, he'll have my vote, but my concerns are that everyone I know who doesn't pay close attention but has seen Biden's gaffes has hit me up to ask if the guy is all there. Trump will capitalize on low information voters again and Biden's complete lack of stamina or ability to deal with challenges from even town hall members has me concerned that the tactic will work.

I agree here. I just don't think it matters. People just want Trump gone. I'll take a senile nice guy over a senile idiot. Biden just has to nail his VP pick.

[Clyde_Style]

It very much was about beating Trump. That's why I said the smart thing for Sanders to do now is back Biden so he has a place at the table. Either way, the progressive agenda is growing within the party and it will only be boosted by the fall-out of the current situation.

Biden's condition is still a quantum improvement over Trump whose cognitive abilities were never there to begin with unless you call trolling a mental attribute.

And Biden has been pretty upfront about his age and I don't think he or anybody in his circle believes he is running to hold the seat for two terms. He's almost surely going to be replaced by his VP as the second term nominee before he enters his fourth year in office. And if he does suffer health complications, he's sensible enough to step down, thus I feel safe with this choice. He'll have competent people in his administration so it will be planned for before it comes to that.

I take serious issue with pushing out a candidate who is within 100 delegates while there are well over 1000 delegates to be awarded. Neither candidate is even halfway there and a lot of voters deserve a choice. It's fundamentally undemocratic imo. Also, the leverage to pull Biden's agenda left and make sure he actually offers some compromise to the progressive wing is gonna be important. Every exit poll that shows Democrats prefer an agenda to the left of Biden's is valuable data heading into a fight with Trump who will attempt to muddy the convo around certain issues (cuts to Social Security for example).

The progressive agenda will definitely keep growing, but part of that is getting messages and explanations out about what the progressive agenda actually is. That's why I supported both Bernie and Warren with donations. They were informing the broader public of ideals that had been mostly caracatured by most cable news outlets. I'd prefer to keep at least one voice in the race that represents the wants and needs of the next generation. Point blank Bernie wins every Demo 40 and under, those votes deserve representation for at least a while longer.

Biden's mental acuity in full blown dementia would be better than Trump. That's the discussion that needs to be had. Denial won't work, shaming won't work, we need to acknowledge the real flaws in the candidate and figure out how to counterpunch. Trump should make most of that work easy enough. But I think Hillary had an issue with denying or refusing to fully acknowledge past mistakes and what that did was make it harder for people to believe when she denied genuine bad faith arguments (Benghazi and the emails for example).

I agree that Biden himself has been fairly upfront. But there have been some odd attempts to give it cover by his team and some media members. Trying to blame his gaffes all on a stutter is an example and I believe the push by some to dump all future debates is another example. They shouldn't have to hide him when he needs to inspire enthusiasm. I thought his address yesterday was a really good step in the right direction. He needs to build those moments up and have a highlight reel to build into the simple "you can get with this or you can get with that" campaign I believe they'll run on...Bitcofer's negative partisanship really needs to be embraced to beat Trump.

Basically, Biden should be using a campaign against Bernie to assuage concerns and prepare for a much more aggressive and bad faith challenge when Trump is the opponent. Trying to force Bernie out prematurely doesn't show strength and won't inspire any of Sanders' support to vote Biden in a general. They'll more likely stay home. And I say that mainly about the independents, Bernie has won a stronger majority of independents who are much more important swing voters than the Never Trump Republicans who get so much light on news shows.

Edit: just to throw it in, I think the late shift that was heavily endorsement based shows soft support. That's worrisome to me, again not in people swinging to Trump but not showing up. With the virus and economy right now though, almost anyone beats trump. Marianne Williamson would body him. So who knows.

I don't think Biden has forced Bernie to do anything though. It really doesn't matter if any of us think Biden's support is authentic or not. He has the black vote. Bernie does not. He has the older vote. The numbers last Tuesday say the voting strength for Biden is legit now.

You know how last time around Bernie shocked Hillary in Michigan, right? There were no surprises this time. The polls are coming in fairly close to the result.

That means Biden is either competitive everywhere or dominant.

Bernie is not competitive everywhere and he is dominant nowhere.

That is the political reality and the math says Biden's lead is shortly about to become insurmountable

On Tuesday Biden will beat Bernie by a massive 30-40 point spread in Florida which has 219 delegates. The Latino vote in Florida is almost all Biden too.

He'll likely win Arizona, Michigan and Ohio by what the polls are saying are 10% margins. I suspect they will be 10-20% margins. That's another 327 delegates.

So out of 546 delegates up for grabs Tuesday I'm guessing Biden gets about 346 delegates to Bernie's 200. That will put Biden 300 delegates ahead.

March 24 is just Georgia. Biden pulls further ahead.

The only biggish state Bernie can compete in for a full month after is Wisconsin and Biden is already polling even or ahead there.

April 28 is really the only big day Bernie has a chance to catch up and that is also looking very bad even now with heavy polling advantages for Biden in NY, PA, MD, CT, DE some of which will be blowouts. The only place Bernie looks close right now may be Rhode Island

So to me it is already over

If you want to win the presidency, you need to win Florida for starters. Bernie is not that popular here. Tuesday's Florida contest will seal the nomination unless Bernie can pull off a shocking upset and beat Biden by 10-20 points in one of the other three states which would be a minimum 20 point swing. Highly unlikely.

It's just math to me at this point. I'd vote for Bernie in November if he were the nominee. I've voting for Biden though because he will be the nominee.

Again, if Bernie wants to be push his agenda within the party the smart thing to do is concede. Nobody should force him to do anything, but it would politically savvy for him to do so. He has no leverage the longer he waits. Again, the math of the voters dictates this as Bernie's reality.

[Gravy]

I need a TV & movies recommendation thread lol. Mandalorian is better than I thought. May try Picard, but I dont want my memories of The Next Generation ruined if its bad.

[GONYK]

Spoiler:

I take serious issue with pushing out a candidate who is within 100 delegates while there are well over 1000 delegates to be awarded. Neither candidate is even halfway there and a lot of voters deserve a choice. It's fundamentally undemocratic imo. Also, the leverage to pull Biden's agenda left and make sure he actually offers some compromise to the progressive wing is gonna be important. Every exit poll that shows Democrats prefer an agenda to the left of Biden's is valuable data heading into a fight with Trump who will attempt to muddy the convo around certain issues (cuts to Social Security for example).

The progressive agenda will definitely keep growing, but part of that is getting messages and explanations out about what the progressive agenda actually is. That's why I supported both Bernie and Warren with donations. They were informing the broader public of ideals that had been mostly caracatured by most cable news outlets. I'd prefer to keep at least one voice in the race that represents the wants and needs of the next generation. Point blank Bernie wins every Demo 40 and under, those votes deserve representation for at least a while longer.

Biden's mental acuity in full blown dementia would be better than Trump. That's the discussion that needs to be had. Denial won't work, shaming won't work, we need to acknowledge the real flaws in the candidate and figure out how to counterpunch. Trump should make most of that work easy enough. But I think Hillary had an issue with denying or refusing to fully acknowledge past mistakes and what that did was make it harder for people to believe when she denied genuine bad faith arguments (Benghazi and the emails for example).

I agree that Biden himself has been fairly upfront. But there have been some odd attempts to give it cover by his team and some media members. Trying to blame his gaffes all on a stutter is an example and I believe the push by some to dump all future debates is another example. They shouldn't have to hide him when he needs to inspire enthusiasm. I thought his address yesterday was a really good step in the right direction. He needs to build those moments up and have a highlight reel to build into the simple "you can get with this or you can get with that" campaign I believe they'll run on...Bitcofer's negative partisanship really needs to be embraced to beat Trump.

Basically, Biden should be using a campaign against Bernie to assuage concerns and prepare for a much more aggressive and bad faith challenge when Trump is the opponent. Trying to force Bernie out prematurely doesn't show strength and won't inspire any of Sanders' support to vote Biden in a general. They'll more likely stay home. And I say that mainly about the independents, Bernie has won a stronger majority of independents who are much more important swing voters than the Never Trump Republicans who get so much light on news shows.

Edit: just to throw it in, I think the late shift that was heavily endorsement based shows soft support. That's worrisome to me, again not in people swinging to Trump but not showing up. With the virus and economy right now though, almost anyone beats trump. Marianne Williamson would body him. So who knows.

Yep. Prematurely ending the primary is idiotic. They want progressives to hang it up. Clyburn himself basically said the longer this goes, Biden will likely fumble. We just have to put Biden through the test of time, imo.

It's insulting. And the Democratic Party will 100% lose votes if they keep pushing that. I believe they will already lose votes because of that.

Hell, I'm still upset that we didn't get real 1 on 1 debates when this was mostly a 2 man race.

Hidin' Biden is real. And it won't look good if this virus slows down.

I agree that the primaries shouldn't end early, but Bernie is not going to catch Biden from a delegate standpoint. Even if we get to the Convention and Biden hasn't secured the win, he will have the majority and the party will obviously move him forward ahead of Bernie.

If Biden takes Florida, there really isn't any reason to drag this out, IMO.

[Stannis]

If Biden takes Florida, there really isn't any reason to drag this out, IMO.

He will take this to the end. He just opened 4 campaign offices in Pennsylvania.

[Deeeez Knicks]

1 survival food...what do you grab?

I think I am going with peanut butter. Easy to carry, store, some protein. Can mix it with some stuff

[GONYK]

If Biden takes Florida, there really isn't any reason to drag this out, IMO.

He will take this to the end. He just opened 4 campaign offices in Pennsylvania.

That's his choice. It's a fruitless endeavor though.

I'll just say that this is why many people dislike Bernie. Things like this are perceived as being way more about himself than the good of the party or winning the election.

[Stannis]

1 survival food...what do you grab?

I think I am going with peanut butter. Easy to carry, store, some protein. Can mix it with some stuff

Tough one.

Peanut Butter seems like the best choice assuming we have water and milk.

Can't go wrong with some gubment cheese either:

[Clyde_Style]

1 survival food...what do you grab?

I think I am going with peanut butter. Easy to carry, store, some protein. Can mix it with some stuff

Tough one.

Peanut Butter seems like the best choice assuming we have water and milk.

Can't go wrong with some gubment cheese either:

I have lots of Oats, Italian Pasta, Chinese Noodles, Rice.
Frozen feta, steaks, chops, blueberries, apples, peas, spinach, chicken, bread
Fruits, nuts, sardines, beans, peanut butter, pickles, sauerkraut
Coffee, tea, 40 gallons of water and a distiller if I need to make more
TP, paper towels

I saw this coming. I'm probably going to eat less and finally teach myself to live on smaller portions for health reasons which will make it last longer anyway. I'm prepared to eat here for 3 months if necessary, but I think stores will rebound after this and in 2-3 weeks you should be able to go out and buy staples again

[Stannis]

1 survival food...what do you grab?

I think I am going with peanut butter. Easy to carry, store, some protein. Can mix it with some stuff

Tough one.

Peanut Butter seems like the best choice assuming we have water and milk.

Can't go wrong with some gubment cheese either:

I have lots of Oats, Italian Pasta, Chinese Noodles, Rice.
Frozen feta, steaks, chops, blueberries, apples, peas, spinach, chicken, bread
Fruits, nuts, sardines, beans
Coffee, tea, 40 gallons of water and a distiller if I need to make more
TP, paper towels

I saw this coming. I'm probably going to eat less and finally teach myself to live on smaller portions for health reasons which will make it last longer anyway. I'm prepared to eat here for 3 months if necessary, but I think stores will rebound after this and in 2-3 weeks you should be able to go out and buy staples again

Wish you all the best in he cities. Tennessee isn't that bad (yet). Only the masks and disinfecting products are out of stock. But food is very much available (for now).