Coronavirus

[wolffy]

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At least this will hit us first, and hopefully we'll be out of it first.

See you guys in a few months.

That’s not good. That’s how the virus spreads exponentially.

So many obvious mistakes are being made. You would think someone with some brains would just put a halt to things like this and say "no, this isn't going to work, we have to do something differently" instead of letting it go on day after day. Just like with the shortage of tests. Someone should have seen that coming weeks ago and ramped things up. Of course, when the president of the country goes around shaking hands constantly, after knowingly having been in the same room with people who have tested positive, well, I guess stupidity just trickles down from the top.

Trump leading us thru is a disaster itself
Two weeks ago thw man said soon we would have zero cases. He also spent weeks saying it was a hoax. Hopefully this doesnt show us just how stupid we were in electing him.

[Taikuri]

Has anyone been paying attention to what's going on in the UK? They are doing the exact opposite of what everybody else is doing.

It appears they are attempting to bank on the idea of herd immunity by letting as many lower risk people get infected as possible until they can no longer pass on the virus to everybody else. Roughly 60-80% of the population would need to be infected for this to work. No idea how they plan on protecting those in a high risk category while everybody else is getting sick.

I can't imagine the ramifications if their assumptions turn out not to be true. If it works, though, it's genius.

Finland is and has been doing a little bit of a similar thing. Keeping schools and borders open for the big part. They try to avoid that everyone would get to the hospital at the same time, because that is a disaster. I am not sure is this the right way to do it, I probably wouldn't do that if I was the prime minister of Finland but time will tell whether it works or not.

[Taikuri]

Has anyone been paying attention to what's going on in the UK? They are doing the exact opposite of what everybody else is doing.

It appears they are attempting to bank on the idea of herd immunity by letting as many lower risk people get infected as possible until they can no longer pass on the virus to everybody else. Roughly 60-80% of the population would need to be infected for this to work. No idea how they plan on protecting those in a high risk category while everybody else is getting sick.

I can't imagine the ramifications if their assumptions turn out not to be true. If it works, though, it's genius.

EDIT: DELETED as i made a calculation error.

Below are the infection numbers of many European countries and deaths. It is 24 hours behind or so I think.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

[Taikuri]

I have the same problem as others in that my father is in his late 60's has diabetes, blood pressure issues and is walking around like absolutely nothing is going on. I kind of have to laugh at this one but he walks into a bank to get $40, didn't go to the ATM didn't get an amount of money that would mean anything to go pick up some of the dirtiest things in circulation during a pandemic. I honestly just have to laugh at that one but it's tough he says his sister had pneumonia as a kid and he didn't and I just kind of told him that the percentages are different and walked through what is happening in Italy but he still seems to think he's fine.

My little sister also is just going about things with her friends as if nothing is going on and she's back at home with my dad so that's pretty worrying too. He was saying he feels fine and would stop if he felt sick and said nobody around him was sick but I don't think he gets that this thing is contagious for days before you show symptoms, I think that's why it doubles every 4-5 days people are transmitting it for 4-5 days before they even know they are sick.

It's a tough balance to just try and tell him what is going on. Then I don't want to really outline things for my little sister because if something does happen to my dad I don't want her to blame herself because he's also going into the bank to get disease blankets. I guess all I did was try and lay out the facts and tell him to go look up what's happening in Italy and not push too hard but it's tough.

Yeah you probably read my post. We got similar kind of parents for sure. Stubborn and old fashioned in some ways. They could live for 10-30 years more each if they listened but they decide to gamble and I don't like that very much. If covid-19 becomes a yearly thing, then next year there will be some kind of medicine for it for sure based on some of the reports I read. Maybe it's too early for vaccines but some kind of medicine that helps against the symptoms and we are all more wiser about this diesease later on.

If this thing is permanently circulating amongst us, then with medicine we will reduce the fatality rate not far from the flu fatality rates (0.1%) eventually I hope. So it is the wrong time to gamble with this disease right now and some of the stubborn elderly people should wake up already. They think that they or their bodies are younger than they really are. A reality check is what they need.

I wish they'd just chill in their homes for some months and watch TV and make time run for a while if they can financially afford it that is. Losing their jobs isn't really a problem if they worked their entire lives unless they are having huge debts or bank loans going on.

[Habs72]

Reports and pics from Ohare and DFW of huge delays at customs. Reportedly people waiting for 5 hours and just packed shoulder to shoulder. It's like a virus breeding ground.

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At least this will hit us first, and hopefully we'll be out of it first.

See you guys in a few months.

is that picture a joke or what, considering what we know about the virus so far .

[Habs72]

Has anyone been paying attention to what's going on in the UK? They are doing the exact opposite of what everybody else is doing.

It appears they are attempting to bank on the idea of herd immunity by letting as many lower risk people get infected as possible until they can no longer pass on the virus to everybody else. Roughly 60-80% of the population would need to be infected for this to work. No idea how they plan on protecting those in a high risk category while everybody else is getting sick.

I can't imagine the ramifications if their assumptions turn out not to be true. If it works, though, it's genius.

Finland is and has been doing a little bit of a similar thing. Keeping schools and borders open for the big part. They try to avoid that everyone would get to the hospital at the same time, because that is a disaster. I am not sure is this the right way to do it, I probably wouldn't do that if I was the prime minister of Finland but time will tell whether it works or not.

Its because they want to keep as many healthcare people available as possible. They think that If they close all and schools, they wont have enough staff to go through this they have to stay at home to take care of the kids.

[Taikuri]

This is how it all started.
On Thursday, 5th of March I travelled from Turku to Zürich (via Helsinki-Vantaa) and from there to St. Anton, Tyrol area Austria. Yes, Italy was already an epidemic area, but Tyrol had like 14 cases on the day I left there. At that time, Helsinki had much more cases. I considered it as a safe trip.

I must say that I hate people like that right now who went traveling this late after we already had so many worrying signs of covid-19. It was a very selfish thing for that story's posters to do. They only cared about their trip and they put other people in danger. Who knows how many other people they infectected with their decision to go have fun in Austria.

I'm also sick to my stomach some musicians are still having concerts of 500 people gatherings which is the maximum allowed in Finland.

Only positive from that is that the guy shared the story, but that is the least he could do.

[Taikuri]

Its because they want to keep as many healthcare people available as possible. They think that If they close all and schools, they wont have enough staff to go through this they have to stay at home to take care of the kids.

Indeed. I'm aware of it. Let's see how it works out in here. Helsinki resident myself. You probably heard of Lauttasaari & Corona from the Finnish news. I don't think that the Helsinki subway users want to make a stop to this stop right now very volunteerily .

[Habs72]

Has anyone been paying attention to what's going on in the UK? They are doing the exact opposite of what everybody else is doing.

It appears they are attempting to bank on the idea of herd immunity by letting as many lower risk people get infected as possible until they can no longer pass on the virus to everybody else. Roughly 60-80% of the population would need to be infected for this to work. No idea how they plan on protecting those in a high risk category while everybody else is getting sick.

I can't imagine the ramifications if their assumptions turn out not to be true. If it works, though, it's genius.

Many experts think that is one way this virus will subside in severty, albeit not voluntarily like the UK are doing. I haven't heard they are going with that main approach. The UK medical system is heavily burdened as is and something like this must be unimaginable for the medical professionals and the powers that run it.

BTW UK's death rate at the moment is very high.

707 infections - 10 dead = 14.1% fatality rate.

I suspect that they didn't report a lot of the infections and that is the reason for that crazy number. If they had 3000 infected and 10 dead, then it would make it 3,33% fatality rate. So it would mean that UK hasn't reported 75% of the infections for some reason if the real number would be 3.33%, which is closer to the world average fatality rate. It's just very clear that they don't report a lot of the infections. If I am completely wrong on this then UK is doing a lot worse than Italy and it will get really really bad over there.

Below are the infection numbers of many European countries and deaths. It is 24 hours behind or so I think.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

Get you calculations right as they are way off with your comma, 1,4% which is still less than average.
Also current figure is 1140 infected, 21 dead. So % has risen so far to 1,8% of known cases

[Taikuri]

Get you calculations right as they are way of with your comma, 1,4% which is still less than average.
Also current figure is 1140 infected, 21 dead. So % has risen so far to 1,8% of known cases

You are right about it. 1.4% fatality.

[Habs72]

This is how it all started.
On Thursday, 5th of March I travelled from Turku to Zürich (via Helsinki-Vantaa) and from there to St. Anton, Tyrol area Austria. Yes, Italy was already an epidemic area, but Tyrol had like 14 cases on the day I left there. At that time, Helsinki had much more cases. I considered it as a safe trip.

I must say that I hate people like that right now who went traveling this late after we already had so many worrying signs of covid-19. It was a very selfish thing for that story's posters to do. They only cared about their trip and they put other people in danger. Who knows how many other people they infectected with their decision to go have fun in Austria.

I'm also sick to my stomach some musicians are still having concerts of 500 people gatherings which is the maximum allowed in Finland.

Only positive from that is that the guy shared the story, but that is the least he could do.

Like he said Helsinki alone had more cases that Tyrol and there were no travelling restrictions to other countries than China, SK, Italy and Iran. He also took normal safety measures that normal people can but still got infected.

[Taikuri]

Like he said Helsinki alone had more cases that Tyrol and there were no travelling restrictions to other countries than China, SK, Italy and Iran. He also took normal safety measures that normal people can but still got infected.

I just didn't like that he went traveling to another country while Corona was all over the news. It wasn't illegal what he did but I'm just not OK with it that they didn't want to change their travel plans. I mean didn't he say it was a skiing trip and not work related? The trip to Sweden however was work related and I understand that one.

Btw deleted that calculation error post I made. Don't want to spread any fake news & panic around here .

[samwana]

Just a short story from Germany.
Every school, church, sports facility and so on are closed.
Election is still happening

A friend of us had to wait 5 days for the test outcome. My niece is really sick and can't get someone to test. We have some mobile testers that drive around and go to people that need to be tested, but for some reason nobody is coming to test her. Germany is looking really bad with their health system. It's a sick system. They have no idea how to withstand a epidemic outbreak like this.

Toilet paper is out, as is pasta, tomato sauce, yeast, oatflakes and lots of other grains, frozen veggies are running empty too. I mostly go to whole food shops though, and at least the people keep friendly and easy going. I heard different stories from normal supermarket though..

Most of my friends keep their cool and are annoyed by all the rules and restrictions. The panic is more in the media than in reality.

Stay healthy and keep up good spirit. Love from Germany



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[Habs72]

People

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/technology/coronavirus-purell-wipes-amazon-sellers.html

[TallDude]

Has anyone been paying attention to what's going on in the UK? They are doing the exact opposite of what everybody else is doing.

It appears they are attempting to bank on the idea of herd immunity by letting as many lower risk people get infected as possible until they can no longer pass on the virus to everybody else. Roughly 60-80% of the population would need to be infected for this to work. No idea how they plan on protecting those in a high risk category while everybody else is getting sick.

I can't imagine the ramifications if their assumptions turn out not to be true. If it works, though, it's genius.

EDIT: DELETED as i made a calculation error.

Below are the infection numbers of many European countries and deaths. It is 24 hours behind or so I think.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

That is way behind. Yestyrday Italy has more than 21000 and Spain going near to 7000. I find a link. Just read it this morning. And i did get my mom in our Summerhouse. He is similar position than your mom just couple years older and not work anymore thank god. Because her mind is just like your moms. Our summerhouse is 100km distance from Helsinki. Closest towns are Karkkila and Loppi. So 25km safe distance. No neighbours and food and medicini enough for 1 month. Now just watching news and going taking Sauna everyday (i know it does not help but it is normal to go Sauna everyday here). I had plans to come Helsinki where i mostly live and work but i can not becuase i still must see my mom. Won`t take a risk. Facebook is the place to meet my Friends and Skype place to work next week or as long as needed. So me, my wife and my mom have small 3 people colony here.

[Habs72]

Stats that are being updated regularly.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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People

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/technology/coronavirus-purell-wipes-amazon-sellers.html

**** that guy.

[Taikuri]

EDIT: DELETED as i made a calculation error.

Below are the infection numbers of many European countries and deaths. It is 24 hours behind or so I think.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

That is way behind. Yestyrday Italy has more than 21000 and Spain going near to 7000. I find a link. Just read it this morning. And i did get my mom in our Summerhouse. He is similar position than your mom just couple years older and not work anymore thank god. Because her mind is just like your moms. Our summerhouse is 100km distance from Helsinki. Closest towns are Karkkila and Loppi. So 25km safe distance. No neighbours and food and medicini enough for 1 month. Now just watching news and going taking Sauna everyday (i know it does not help but it is normal to go Sauna everyday here). I had plans to come Helsinki where i mostly live and work but i can not becuase i still must see my mom. Won`t take a risk. Facebook is the place to meet my Friends and Skype place to work next week or as long as needed. So me, my wife and my mom have small 3 people colony here.

Operation lock up stubborn relatives . That's the way to do it. I'm glad to hear that your mother is listening to that advice.

In 2021 we'll have so much more wisdom and medicine to deal with this disease if it's still here or if it resurfaces that the death rate will be way lower than it will be this year, so then these stubborn elderly people can do what ever they want but right now is not the time and they got to get that in their heads. I suspect this will get a lot worse and the media will get even crazier about it soon and maybe they'll start to listen then.

[jc23]

People

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/technology/coronavirus-purell-wipes-amazon-sellers.html

**** that guy.

and everyone who went to the post malone/billie elish concert recently.

[Taikuri]

Stats that are being updated regularly.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Seems like a good site. Many of the sites always get Finland wrong or delayed for some reason but update the bigger countries better.