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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#641 » by rapstarter » Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:45 pm

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Taikuri wrote:Meanwhile... Rudy Gobert should've donated a lot more than that after the touching of mikes brain fart that he did and probably infecting Donovan Mitchell as well. Half of his 2019-2020 season salary to Mitchell and rest to the relief TBH.


How many other people that infected others when they didn't know they had it do you expect to give up half their salary? My guess is zero other people. Come on now, let's not bash people for giving money to charity.


There's also a pretty good piece on this

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Post#642 » by chitowndish » Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:48 pm

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Interesting idea and it could work. How does the saying go "what doesn't harm you,can't kill you" or something. Also that vitamin C suggestion that someone posted here could be useful. Oranges or frozen berries give that I believe. I mean don't know if it works but it can't hurt and people just need to have their immunity system as strong as they can if they are going that route where they are basically willing to get infected and run the dice. So take all the vitamins, omega 3 etc.

It is also important not to get an additional small illness like flu to make the immune system weak just before getting corona so must avoid small diseases any way possible and then not going out to public after a small disease. Those are a few good basic things to follow I'd say.

I had to take drastic measures and try to scare my stubborn mother a little bit by telling her that if she gets infected and has to go to a hospital there will be some really ill people making noises through the night in those hospital rooms and she won't be sleeping much. Actually it's a really bad thing to battle serious diseases while not being able to sleep at all. Reduces the chances of survival for sure. I also reminded her that in Finland they have said that they won't be allowing much visitation to the hospital so that would kinda suck.

Maybe the non stop Corona programs in the TV will eventually brainwash her and make her use her summer vacation earlier and after some weeks it might be that even some work places will tell their employees to not come to work once the situation everywhere gets that bad and I do believe that it will get there.


Thats kind of the angle I'm taking is try and prevent it but also just try and have stuff so you can deal with it if it does happen and I also agree with vitamin C I've been trying to get a couple cans of mandarin oranges and fruit along with food or vegetables and I've bought a bit of fresh fruit and juice and I'm telling other people about that too I don't think the symptoms of this are that different from a flu they just get more serious so I think a lot of the treatments we do for the flu are still good ideas just they may not work as well. I'll probably suggest the vitamin C thing the next time we call but for now I'm just trying to get them to take it seriously. He seems good about staying home if he gets sick too but I don't think he realized how serious that would be for him.

I also had to scare my dad and I actually just went through his age and his conditions and he agreed with all of them and I showed him the article from Italy where the doctor is going through the calculation and I basically just showed him with what he had they wouldn't even give him treatment so he doesn't want to end up there and that's where he started saying he didn't get pneumonia when he was a kid. Then I went through how that stuff is a lot easier to avoid or survive as a kid and he's on the other end of that now so I wouldn't count on the same thing happening. I think it did have an impact but he almost has to come to it himself I can't push too hard so I just went through things and let it go. I think the coverage and hopefully seeing how different things out there are will start wearing on him but it sounds like more stuff is cancelled and he is starting to watch the news so I think he's getting it but it's really tough. Then I have to try and convince the little sister but I think she's starting to get it too. Sometimes it is time to let things sink in but with how many NBA players etc that have it I think this thing is already out there at a pretty bad level so we don't have a lot of time to figure things out, people just kind of need to listen to the experts.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#643 » by Wingy » Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:50 pm

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MalagaBulls wrote:Spanish resident here:

The community of Madrid is really trying. They have put all of the public & private hospitals under one umbrella. That means about 1000-1100 ICU beds just for COVID-19 severe cases.
Plus as the lockdown goes into it's 3rd/4th days we will cut down on the boneheadedness. I cannot stress enough how our medical professionals are all working together & tirelessly to get this under control.


Glad to hear. I've been worried about Spain as it has looked like it was quickly becoming the new Italy in Europe. Keep us updated.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257545/Rudy-Gobert-Donates-$500000-To-COVID-19-Related-Relief

Meanwhile... Rudy Gobert should've donated a lot more than that after the touching of mikes brain fart that he did and probably infecting Donovan Mitchell as well. Half of his 2019-2020 season salary to Mitchell and rest to the relief TBH.


A Facebook post from 3 hours ago (it’s 10:45 EST)...the kid of a guy I went to high school with just got back from Spain. She describes a ridiculous customs line with hundreds, so sounds like the sort of scene folks posted pics of recently.

The scary thing was that the “screening” done was filling out a piece of paper.

That’s it.

No medical professionals, not even a single temperature taken.

Wow.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#644 » by MalagaBulls » Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:53 pm

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Taikuri wrote:
MalagaBulls wrote:Spanish resident here:

The community of Madrid is really trying. They have put all of the public & private hospitals under one umbrella. That means about 1000-1100 ICU beds just for COVID-19 severe cases.
Plus as the lockdown goes into it's 3rd/4th days we will cut down on the boneheadedness. I cannot stress enough how our medical professionals are all working together & tirelessly to get this under control.


Glad to hear. I've been worried about Spain as it has looked like it was quickly becoming the new Italy in Europe. Keep us updated.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257545/Rudy-Gobert-Donates-$500000-To-COVID-19-Related-Relief

Meanwhile... Rudy Gobert should've donated a lot more than that after the touching of mikes brain fart that he did and probably infecting Donovan Mitchell as well. Half of his 2019-2020 season salary to Mitchell and rest to the relief TBH.


A Facebook post from 3 hours ago (it’s 10:45 EST)...the kid of a guy I went to high school with just got back from Spain. She describes a ridiculous customs line with hundreds, so sounds like the sort of scene folks posted pics of recently.

The scary thing was that the “screening” done was filling out a piece of paper.

That’s it.

No medical professionals, not even a single temperature taken.

Wow.
Wow, that is just sheer stupidity. You have to screen somewhat, even just taking temps may give you some minor results.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#645 » by Wingy » Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:03 pm

MalagaBulls wrote:Wow, that is just sheer stupidity. You have to screen somewhat, even just taking temps may give you some minor results.


Forgot...in addition, they didn’t even keep, or copy the form.

They’re just 100% trusting folks to be honest about personal health, and exposure. Arrival was yesterday, so it’s not some delayed FB post either. I can see 3/14 on the pic of their form.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#646 » by TallDude » Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:05 pm

MalagaBulls wrote:
Wingy wrote:
Taikuri wrote:
Glad to hear. I've been worried about Spain as it has looked like it was quickly becoming the new Italy in Europe. Keep us updated.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257545/Rudy-Gobert-Donates-$500000-To-COVID-19-Related-Relief

Meanwhile... Rudy Gobert should've donated a lot more than that after the touching of mikes brain fart that he did and probably infecting Donovan Mitchell as well. Half of his 2019-2020 season salary to Mitchell and rest to the relief TBH.


A Facebook post from 3 hours ago (it’s 10:45 EST)...the kid of a guy I went to high school with just got back from Spain. She describes a ridiculous customs line with hundreds, so sounds like the sort of scene folks posted pics of recently.

The scary thing was that the “screening” done was filling out a piece of paper.

That’s it.

No medical professionals, not even a single temperature taken.

Wow.
Wow, that is just sheer stupidity. You have to screen somewhat, even just taking temps may give you some minor results.


Atleast in Finland when u come back no matter where u must stay home 2 weeks. Only healthcare people can go work if no symptons.
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Post#647 » by Habs72 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:13 pm

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Habs72 wrote:Its been reported that Germany and USA are in a ”coronavirus vaccine war” against each other. Trump’s government tried to buy a German-based medical company CureVac, that is developing a vaccine for Covid-19. Germans stepped in and made a sudden change of CEO and rumours are its cause of Trump’s governments interest.

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/curevac-coronavirus-replace-ceo-menichella/574015/


I did read about that. U can read it in Talouselama also.


Yea, but people in these forums cant, hence another link that touches it :wink: .
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#648 » by dougthonus » Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:25 pm

Habs72 wrote:Its been reported that Germany and USA are in a ”coronavirus vaccine war” against each other. Trump’s government tried to buy a German-based medical company CureVac, that is developing a vaccine for Covid-19. Germans stepped in and made a sudden change of CEO and rumours are its cause of Trump’s governments interest.

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/curevac-coronavirus-replace-ceo-menichella/574015/


While what you say may be true because I haven't looked for other sources, nothing in the article you listed says anything other than they changed CEOs and that the former CEO, along with the CEOs of 12 other major drug companies, met with Trump about vaccines.
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Post#649 » by Habs72 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:34 pm

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Habs72 wrote:Its been reported that Germany and USA are in a ”coronavirus vaccine war” against each other. Trump’s government tried to buy a German-based medical company CureVac, that is developing a vaccine for Covid-19. Germans stepped in and made a sudden change of CEO and rumours are its cause of Trump’s governments interest.

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/curevac-coronavirus-replace-ceo-menichella/574015/


While what you say may be true because I haven't looked for other sources, nothing in the article you listed says anything other than they changed CEOs and that the former CEO, along with the CEOs of 12 other major drug companies, met with Trump about vaccines.


Like mentioned earlier it was a Finnish newspapers website that reported it and its in finnish so thats why i didnt link it :wink: . And original one is prolly in German so neither of us understand it.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#650 » by Bullstuff » Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:54 pm

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Post#651 » by Habs72 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:57 pm

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dougthonus wrote:
Habs72 wrote:Its been reported that Germany and USA are in a ”coronavirus vaccine war” against each other. Trump’s government tried to buy a German-based medical company CureVac, that is developing a vaccine for Covid-19. Germans stepped in and made a sudden change of CEO and rumours are its cause of Trump’s governments interest.

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/curevac-coronavirus-replace-ceo-menichella/574015/


While what you say may be true because I haven't looked for other sources, nothing in the article you listed says anything other than they changed CEOs and that the former CEO, along with the CEOs of 12 other major drug companies, met with Trump about vaccines.


Like mentioned earlier it was a Finnish newspapers website that reported it and its in finnish so thats why i didnt link it :wink: . And original one is prolly in German so neither of us understand it.


Now its being reported on other Finnish site, it was German paper called Welt Am Sonntag that reported it. Its said that White House tried to get rights for it so that it could be developed for USA and USA only....if that is true, it makes your president even more bold that he already is :roll: .
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Post#652 » by GinWeary » Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:15 pm

People seem to be on one side or another when confronting this outbreak. People are either too careless about it (MEN: WASH YOUR HANDS IN THE BATHROOM EVEN IF YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TOUCH A DOOR HANDLE!) or are panicking to a ridiculous degree.

While I think that people should be concerned about COVID-19 and taking all the necessary precautions, we need to tamp down the panic and judgment culture that people create in stores and online. The panic that leads to people hoarding Lysol and preventing others from getting what they need to clean and disinfect. If you are self-quarantining for a week or two, or just limiting your time outside, you probably only need a pack or two of disinfectant wipes; not 10 cases! At a local store, I saw a guy with two shopping carts full of meat products - you do not need that much meat even if we quarantine for a month! Eat a darn PB&J sandwich every once in a while!

We should all have an abundance of caution and it is a good idea to practice social distancing so that the medical world can try to catch up to the virus and limit its spread. However, we must also realize that COVID-19 is a new reality for us that will likely never go away; everyone at some point will need to adjust to live a normal life. Even with available testing and effective vaccines, it may still be a deadly virus that spreads quickly.

The starkest observation I have had is just how many people, on an individual level, are so incapable of dealing with any kind of threat like this and how unsanitary people are in general. We truly do live in a "ME" culture.

EDIT: Just after posting this, I find this article on CNN.

"This pandemic risks bringing out the worst in humanity"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/world/coronavirus-humanity-global-response-intl/index.html
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Post#653 » by dougthonus » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:07 pm

GinWeary wrote:People seem to be on one side or another when confronting this outbreak. People are either too careless about it (MEN: WASH YOUR HANDS IN THE BATHROOM EVEN IF YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TOUCH A DOOR HANDLE!) or are panicking to a ridiculous degree.

While I think that people should be concerned about COVID-19 and taking all the necessary precautions, we need to tamp down the panic and judgment culture that people create in stores and online. The panic that leads to people hoarding Lysol and preventing others from getting what they need to clean and disinfect. If you are self-quarantining for a week or two, or just limiting your time outside, you probably only need a pack or two of disinfectant wipes; not 10 cases! At a local store, I saw a guy with two shopping carts full of meat products - you do not need that much meat even if we quarantine for a month! Eat a darn PB&J sandwich every once in a while!

We should all have an abundance of caution and it is a good idea to practice social distancing so that the medical world can try to catch up to the virus and limit its spread. However, we must also realize that COVID-19 is a new reality for us that will likely never go away; everyone at some point will need to adjust to live a normal life. Even with available testing and effective vaccines, it may still be a deadly virus that spreads quickly.

The starkest observation I have had is just how many people, on an individual level, are so incapable of dealing with any kind of threat like this and how unsanitary people are in general. We truly do live in a "ME" culture.

EDIT: Just after posting this, I find this article on CNN.

"This pandemic risks bringing out the worst in humanity"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/world/coronavirus-humanity-global-response-intl/index.html


People will look to protect themselves ahead of 'unknown others'. Hoarding provides them a feeling of safety while not directly showing them whom they are hurting which gives them a feeling of a positive for themselves that isn't hurting anyone else (even if it isn't true).

Also, it's spiral. As some people start hoarding, other people are encouraged to do so because they can no longer rely on getting stuff later. Thus it now makes more sense for them to hoard. We stocked up a bit more than usual on food / TP, couldn't get any disinfectant which we are out of, but we didn't go too crazy. Probably about a 3 week supply of food instead of 1 week and a 3-4 month supply of toilet paper.

Also, for a lot of things, if your kids are now home every meal and you are home every meal, you actually need 1/3rd more food in your house than you did before.
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Post#654 » by Habs72 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 5:53 pm

Almost 3 600 new cases in Italy and new high of 368 dead in the last 24 hours. Finland`s numbers are no longer reliable and comparable as we changed testing measures and only test more severe symptoms ie. people having respiratory problems. All mild symptoms are no longer tested, people havin those are advised to self quarantine themselves for 14 days.
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Post#655 » by rapstarter » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:12 pm

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Post#656 » by TallDude » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:29 pm

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Habs72 wrote:
dougthonus wrote:
While what you say may be true because I haven't looked for other sources, nothing in the article you listed says anything other than they changed CEOs and that the former CEO, along with the CEOs of 12 other major drug companies, met with Trump about vaccines.


Like mentioned earlier it was a Finnish newspapers website that reported it and its in finnish so thats why i didnt link it :wink: . And original one is prolly in German so neither of us understand it.


Now its being reported on other Finnish site, it was German paper called Welt Am Sonntag that reported it. Its said that White House tried to get rights for it so that it could be developed for USA and USA only....if that is true, it makes your president even more bold that he already is :roll: .


Bold is wrong word. There must be better word to that. Like greed! Other people/nations see relief hole world Trump only see opportunity make some money. More more and more. God i hope he`s gone soon. He is just so stupid that i can not understand who actually voted him :crazy:
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Post#657 » by Chi town » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:42 pm

TallDude wrote:
MalagaBulls wrote:
Wingy wrote:
A Facebook post from 3 hours ago (it’s 10:45 EST)...the kid of a guy I went to high school with just got back from Spain. She describes a ridiculous customs line with hundreds, so sounds like the sort of scene folks posted pics of recently.

The scary thing was that the “screening” done was filling out a piece of paper.

That’s it.

No medical professionals, not even a single temperature taken.

Wow.
Wow, that is just sheer stupidity. You have to screen somewhat, even just taking temps may give you some minor results.


Atleast in Finland when u come back no matter where u must stay home 2 weeks. Only healthcare people can go work if no symptons.


How do they enforce that?
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Post#658 » by Payt10 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:46 pm

Eventually, I feel like we're going to be confronted with the stark reality that fighting the spread of the virus is becoming a losing battle, and that the threat of a prolonged economic global collapse will end up doing more harm to citizens than the virus itself. A vaccine won't be ready for at least 12-18 months. There's no way we can keep shutting down everything for that long. People will eventually have to get back to work and try living normal lives. This seems inevitable.
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Post#659 » by dougthonus » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:54 pm

Payt10 wrote:Eventually, I feel like we're going to be confronted with the stark reality that fighting the spread of the virus is becoming a losing battle, and that the threat of a prolonged economic global collapse will end up doing more harm to citizens than the virus itself. A vaccine won't be ready for at least 12-18 months. There's no way we can keep shutting down everything for that long. People will eventually have to get back to work and try living normal lives. This seems inevitable.


There's pretty compelling evidence that social distancing can flatten the curve and save tons of lives. Also, it seems likely that a vaccine will be ready faster than you are anticipating. We'll see though, lots of theories floating around the internet.

I do agree that there becomes a point where the economic damage becomes very significant though. How much do you pay to save a life? We're pledging 1.5 trillion dollars for coronavirus support in the US. Say that saves 2M lives, mostly elderly. Say the average life expectancy of those who die is 15 years to account for younger people, so you have spent 1.5 trillion to save 30M years of life.

What if you put 1.5 trillion into research to fix the environment or medical research of other types. How many years of life could you save instead? I don't know the answer, maybe trying to stave off covid-19 is the best bang for our buck, or maybe we spend the money and it doesn't work, or maybe we could come up with a solution for global warming and save the planet, or maybe we could cure cancer with the money or who knows.
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Post#660 » by Payt10 » Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:59 pm

dougthonus wrote:
Payt10 wrote:Eventually, I feel like we're going to be confronted with the stark reality that fighting the spread of the virus is becoming a losing battle, and that the threat of a prolonged economic global collapse will end up doing more harm to citizens than the virus itself. A vaccine won't be ready for at least 12-18 months. There's no way we can keep shutting down everything for that long. People will eventually have to get back to work and try living normal lives. This seems inevitable.


There's pretty compelling evidence that social distancing can flatten the curve and save tons of lives. Also, it seems likely that a vaccine will be ready faster than you are anticipating. We'll see though. I do agree that there becomes a point where the economic damage becomes very significant relative to the virus damage.

I agree with our approach at the moment. Social distancing definitely should help. I just wonder for how long before those economic factors start to become overwhelming. I think it was Dr Fauci, or maybe someone else I saw on TV talk about how long it should take before a vaccine can be made. I hope you're right, though, and it does happen much sooner!
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