2020 NBA Draft II

[Ruzious]

I'm drafting Tillie in the lottery. Now, time to wait for someone to tell me that I'm crazy for thinking he's a lottery pick.

I liked him a lot in his sophomore year, but he looked 2 steps slower when he came back last season. Has he gotten back those steps?

[Marcus]

saw a DeAndre Jordan comp for Wiseman recently and wasn't mad at that upon seeing it. Less bounce and perhaps a bit more offensive potential. But he can get to DJs defensive capabilities away from the rim how accurate you guys think that comp is or could be?

[Feel_the_Heat15]

I'm drafting Tillie in the lottery. Now, time to wait for someone to tell me that I'm crazy for thinking he's a lottery pick.

I liked him a lot in his sophomore year, but he looked 2 steps slower when he came back last season. Has he gotten back those steps?

I heard he's gotten healthier and healthier.

[clyde21]

I'm drafting Tillie in the lottery. Now, time to wait for someone to tell me that I'm crazy for thinking he's a lottery pick.

if he didn't have so much trouble staying on the court, sure

[No-Man]

I am not a fan Marcus, DJ has way better rolling tools, bouncier, better timing, more athletic in general, dunno, Wiseman is not as physical either and tries to do finesse stuff, DJ knows his role

I don't think Wiseman is going to be better than DJ on offense, Jordan was the best PNR big in the league, but on defense yeah, he could

I like Whiteside more as a comp

[King Ken]

Tille in the lottery or 1st round of even this draft seems extreme considering his injury status. I see the appeal. I have my doubt he will even be drafted considering his physical

[Feel_the_Heat15]

I'm drafting Tillie in the lottery. Now, time to wait for someone to tell me that I'm crazy for thinking he's a lottery pick.

if he didn't have so much trouble staying on the court, sure

Caris Levert probably had worse injuries.

[clyde21]

I'm drafting Tillie in the lottery. Now, time to wait for someone to tell me that I'm crazy for thinking he's a lottery pick.

if he didn't have so much trouble staying on the court, sure

Caris Levert probably had worse injuries.

that's why he dropped to the bottom of the 1st, he's also a guard, Tillie's 6-10 with foot issues already, that's tough

and this is coming from someone that likes Tillie, had him top20 last year before he decided to come back, but he's a year older with more wear and tear, and on top of foot injuries last season he now has ankle injuries, that's tough for a 6-10 dude, would be hard to put a placement on where i'd take him without knowing the physical

[clyde21]

probably won't be in this draft, but Will Richardson is good, might even have him as a 1st rounder this year if he's in

[nolang1]

I am not a fan Marcus, DJ has way better rolling tools, bouncier, better timing, more athletic in general, dunno, Wiseman is not as physical either and tries to do finesse stuff, DJ knows his role

I don't think Wiseman is going to be better than DJ on offense, Jordan was the best PNR big in the league, but on defense yeah, he could

I like Whiteside more as a comp

DJ just played most of his career getting spoon-fed easy looks from prime Chris Paul and prime Blake Griffin. To whatever extent you think DJ had better tools than Wiseman (debatable at the very least), he wasn’t able to use them other than on open dunks because he was such a bad free-throw shooter.

The offensive utility of players in this mold is supposed to come from their ability to punish small teams on lobs and the offensive glass, but hack-a-DJ took that away; teams could stay small and turn the Clippers into a bad offense. If Wiseman comes in as a 65-plus percent free-throw shooter and isn’t scared of getting fouled, that alone is a simple path to being a better offensive weapon than DJ regardless of whatever other perimeter skills he has.

[No-Man]

Wiseman was a 58% FT shooter in high school, he may end up better than DJ but dunno if by much

Also the issue is with bigs in general now, just not bad FT shooters to close games, if you can't shoot/defend more than one position/handle-pass, you are compromised as a player

DJ is a better athlete quite obviously, Wiseman is a slow raiser, has bad timing and the only reason why he is good at times when it comes to lob catching is cause of length+radius and strength/athleticism (very mobile for his monstrous size)

DJ was in another universe to me as a leaper, much more coordinated, more agile, also in general higher motor, he is just going to be content with that and do it as many times as necessary, Wiseman isn't cut that way

[babyjax13]

Been watching Wiseman, honestly how many rim-rolling centers have his combination of
+ good hands
+ elite size
+ elite athleticism?

Measureables from Memphis' pro day (could have increased slightly since) vs. nba players:
Wiseman: 7-1, 7-5 wingspan, 9-6 standing reach
Gobert: 7-2, 7-9 wingspan, 9-7 standing reach <people I think underestimate what a freak he is, most massive players aren't as wide>
Whiteside: 7-0, 7-7 wingspan, 9-5 standing reach
Allen: 6-11, 7-5 wingspan, 9-1 standing reach
Howard: 6-11, 7-5 wingspan, 9-2.5 standing reach

I think had he played a whole season, people would be much higher on this draft. He's about the same size as Hassan Whiteside, and that seems like a comfortable floor to give him. He has some things to work on (don't lower the ball on offense, don't bite on pump fakes) but I think he has been underestimated as a prospect thus far. I think he's about on par with Ayton as a prospect.

[doordoor123]

To me he’s closer to Mitchell Robinson than Whiteside, but much better.

He’s a clear-cut #1 overall for me. He doesn’t have the sexiest game like some of the other top options, but he’s just the most superstarish.

[clyde21]

I think he's about on par with Ayton as a prospect.

Ayton was more athletic, and was dropping 3s pretty regularly at Arizona

problem isn't with Wiseman as a roller, he'll be pretty elite from that standpoint, problem is in today's NBA if you're not a 3-level player on either side of the court you're just not that valuable

[GimmeDat]

For those interested, put together a piece on Sam Froling, who I think has the potential to get a look in as a 2nd rounder this year.

Been really good in junior FIBA comps, and imo was woefully underutilized on LaMelo Ball's NBL team this season. Turned 20 last month.

Also some highlights/stats in there of his NBL1 play, which is 2nd div. Aus league, where Giddey/King etc. played in last season.

Appeal is he's a pretty mobile 7 footer who can pass, score inside, projectable jump-shot, good team defender, not a bouncy athlete but decent length. Played a fair bit of PF this season in the NBL as well.

Listed 6'11 some places, 7'0 others, don't have a wingspan measurement so it'll be interesting to see that.

https://pickandroll.com.au/he-should-be-in-the-nba-could-sam-froling-be-drafted-this-year/

These are a couple of good videos from Ricky Scricca on his passing at u19's, think you're going to have to click on the links because of the privacy settings though.

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[babyjax13]

I think he's about on par with Ayton as a prospect.

Ayton was more athletic, and was dropping 3s pretty regularly at Arizona

problem isn't with Wiseman as a roller, he'll be pretty elite from that standpoint, problem is in today's NBA if you're not a 3-level player on either side of the court you're just not that valuable

I disagree with that. If you are elite at getting high percentage looks (e.g. good roller and rebounder, great three point shooter) you have quite a bit of value. Wiseman is also very mobile, so he should potentially become an excellent defender who won't get traffic coned every time he runs into a perimeter player on defense.

Ayton's shot (imo) was a bit of fool's gold. It didn't look fluid from far out, and it has not translated to the NBA 3. His freethrow shooting has remained decent, and he has a nice midrange game. In a small sample, Wiseman's freethrow percentage was similar to Ayton's (W: 70%, A: 73%), and to me, his jumper looks pretty similar to where Ayton's was in college. I also don't think that he's much worse as an athlete, and he's likely bigger, which probably nullifies some of that difference (Ayton, I think, has a strength advantage...and maybe an advantage in end-to-end speed).

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[clyde21]

I think he's about on par with Ayton as a prospect.

Ayton was more athletic, and was dropping 3s pretty regularly at Arizona

problem isn't with Wiseman as a roller, he'll be pretty elite from that standpoint, problem is in today's NBA if you're not a 3-level player on either side of the court you're just not that valuable

I disagree with that. If you are elite at getting high percentage looks (e.g. good roller and rebounder, great three point shooter) you have quite a bit of value. Wiseman is also very mobile, so he should potentially become an excellent defender who won't get traffic coned every time he runs into a perimeter player on defense.

Ayton's shot (imo) was a bit of fool's gold. It didn't look fluid from far out, and it has not translated to the NBA 3. His freethrow shooting has remained decent, and he has a nice midrange game. In a small sample, Wiseman's freethrow percentage was similar to Ayton's (W: 70%, A: 73%), and to me, his jumper looks pretty similar to where Ayton's was in college. I also don't think that he's much worse as an athlete, and he's likely bigger, which probably nullifies some of that difference (Ayton, I think, has a strength advantage...and maybe an advantage in end-to-end speed).

yea, Ayton's shot was fool's gold that's for sure, but even with that his offensive game was still more sophisticated than Wiseman's is right now

honestly, in retrospect, Ayton shouldn't have gone #1 overall, I had him #1 that draft and I think that was pretty dumb of me given where the NBA was going at the time, if you're not a multi-level player as a C your impact on winning games is just too limited regardless of how many 20/10 games you drop

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