Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[Optimus_Steel]

Australia send out money to citizens to stimulate the economy and they used it to avoid a significant recession in the past. It's based on the idea that you give money to the poorer groups because they spend their money and don't hoard it. The money then filters up through businesses for goods and services.

Yep. Trump and Munchin just said "Obviously we don't wanna give it to millionaires". So it's good that they are being conscientious about giving it to those in need. Also like that both said the tax break idea takes too long, and they want American's getting help within 2 weeks. Munchin said Trump gave orders that this needs to be handled NOW, because Americans aren't at fault for this crises.

I'm curious the logistics of this operation. If 25% of people get laid off...that's A LOT of claims to process.


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It probably won't be that difficult to send checks. We already have a system set up to send social security checks.

I'm glad they said that but at this point is all talk until they show with the action that are going to help regular people. At this point, most of what they've done is to help large corporations, the stock market, and their wealthy donors. The longer they wait to help regular people the worse and harder it will be to rebound back.

[Catchall]

It looks as though 55% of the 4380 U.S. cases reported are concentrated in NY/NJ, CA and WA.

https://covidtracking.com/data/

[bwgood77]

Also if they give it in the form of a tax cut instead of actual checks/temporary disability, people are really gonna be ****.

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The new bill is supposed to have expanded unemployment. So that sounds like you might get federal unemployment in addition to the state unemployment. I don't think states can increase the max monthly amount much because that is based on the unemployent tax the states have been charging.

If stimulus checks to individuals were to happen, they would probably only apply to people who made less than a certain income last year. Some that have been proposed for people who made less than $65K last year (or at least the limited proposals I saw). These proposals were only made by individuals in the senate I believe so if they were to come to fruition that could change if they decided to do a UBI.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Also if they give it in the form of a tax cut instead of actual checks/temporary disability, people are really gonna be ****.

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The new bill is supposed to have expanded unemployment. So that sounds like you might get federal unemployment in addition to the state unemployment. I don't think states can increase the max monthly amount much because that is based on the unemployent tax the states have been charging.

If stimulus checks to individuals were to happen, they would probably only apply to people who made less than a certain income last year. Some that have been proposed for people who made less than $65K last year (or at least the limited proposals I saw). These proposals were only made by individuals in the senate I believe so if they were to come to fruition that could change if they decided to do a UBI.

Yea. Good points. It sucks dude CA UI is a pathetic $1600 a month MAX. $400 per week. I make quadruple that in a good month easily (though my averages are only 5k a month or so). Sounds decent but in Orange County $1600 doesn't even pay rent.

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[Wagonband]

Americans are simply doing the same mistake every other country did... They are not taking it seriously. Europe is basically in total lockdown already, so is South America. As an European i can understand why people didn't want to overreact when it was just in Asia (heck, that happens every few years doesn't it?), and thought it was going to be ok for us.

But when you see nations like Italy be near a breaking point and all other European countries whose healthcare can easily rival the US go into basically total quarantines and lockdown you should KNOW IT'S SERIOUS! Nations aren't crashing their economies for the lulz. And yet most in the US still believe it will pass without affecting them, and because of that it will affect them 10x more than if they did the same as Italy is doing right now for example.

[bwgood77]

Americans are simply doing the same mistake every other country did... They are not taking it seriously. Europe is basically in total lockdown already, so is South America. As an European i can understand why people didn't want to overreact when it was just in Asia (heck, that happens every few years doesn't it?), and thought it was going to be ok for us.

But when you see nations like Italy be near a breaking point and all other European countries whose healthcare can easily rival the US go into basically total quarantines and lockdown you should KNOW IT'S SERIOUS! Nations aren't crashing their economies for the lulz. And yet most in the US still believe it will pass without affecting them, and because of that it will affect them 10x more than if they did the same as Italy is doing right now for example.

I think a lot of cities are taking it fairly seriously. Much of middle america hasn't had a ton of cases though and it seems like many are taking it seriously. Most businesses around me have gone to work from home or shut down and I'm in Austin. Grocery stores were still pretty busy last I saw though.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Really frustrated at work right now. Just unbelievable failure to mitigate spread. If the virus is here, it's being given an empty multi-lane highway to spread.

I work at a courthouse. To enter the building have to open a door. Chance to spread. Then have to go through scanner usually putting all metal items in a bucket which isn't sanitized so more chance to spread. Then choice of elevator or stairs. Stairs all the way for me and fortunately I only have to go to second floor. But to get out of the stairwell, I have to open another door, so another chance to spread. Finally get to the courtroom and at least there I can open the door with my key without touching the door, though I suppose the key might pick up the virus.

Inside the courtroom numerous people in close proximity. Last week an interpreter with a cough was there. Yesterday a poor court reporter had a witness five feet away directly facing her sniffling and occasionally coughing. Then when the witness was done, she sat five feet away from me.

The hallway outside the courtroom is full of people in close proximity. To get to the bathroom I feel like I'm walking a gauntlet, or if I have it and am fortunate enough to be asymptomatic, I'm walking by several people I could be passing it to.

Back inside the courtroom, the desk where I sit has had three other people sit there as well. More chance for spread.

Some of this is difficult to prevent, but there is absolutely more that could and should be done. I mentioned some to the judge yesterday. The courtroom is big enough for people to spread out, we just have to change some conventions. But it's basically business as usual for now.

I don't think we should shut down. I deal with dependency where children are separated from parents and we can't just sit on that stuff indefinitely, but carrying on without sensible adjustments is not the way to go.

Sorry to hear that, stay safe!

Not too worried for myself. I'm not a high risk demographic. But seeing the same story play out in Italy then France, then Spain and knowing that it's coming here, and the only way to mitigate is to take the steps that everyone else has had to take now before it gets to the point that they're at, but instead things going on business as usual, without simple steps to lower risk is just frustrating.

[zimpy27]

Americans are simply doing the same mistake every other country did... They are not taking it seriously. Europe is basically in total lockdown already, so is South America. As an European i can understand why people didn't want to overreact when it was just in Asia (heck, that happens every few years doesn't it?), and thought it was going to be ok for us.

But when you see nations like Italy be near a breaking point and all other European countries whose healthcare can easily rival the US go into basically total quarantines and lockdown you should KNOW IT'S SERIOUS! Nations aren't crashing their economies for the lulz. And yet most in the US still believe it will pass without affecting them, and because of that it will affect them 10x more than if they did the same as Italy is doing right now for example.

I think it's important to note that initially you actually want cases to rise. You want people to get the virus but in a way they can get best possible treatment.

So you have to let it grow before you impose lockdowns. The lockdowns will plateau the cases and let the hospitals treat patients while also getting as many people the virus as safely possible.

We won't be in the clear until at least 50% get it

[madmaxmedia]

Americans are simply doing the same mistake every other country did... They are not taking it seriously. Europe is basically in total lockdown already, so is South America. As an European i can understand why people didn't want to overreact when it was just in Asia (heck, that happens every few years doesn't it?), and thought it was going to be ok for us.

But when you see nations like Italy be near a breaking point and all other European countries whose healthcare can easily rival the US go into basically total quarantines and lockdown you should KNOW IT'S SERIOUS! Nations aren't crashing their economies for the lulz. And yet most in the US still believe it will pass without affecting them, and because of that it will affect them 10x more than if they did the same as Italy is doing right now for example.

I think a lot of cities are taking it fairly seriously. Much of middle america hasn't had a ton of cases though and it seems like many are taking it seriously. Most businesses around me have gone to work from home or shut down and I'm in Austin. Grocery stores were still pretty busy last I saw though.

As a whole people in the USA really started waking up this weekend (for the most part.) I think our actions have practically matched those taken in Italy at equivalent points in our timelines. That's not very encouraging, we'll see what happens.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[Dirk]

Italy update (live press conference)

New cases
2989 (yesterday 2470)

Deaths
345 (yesterday 349)

[bwgood77]

Americans are simply doing the same mistake every other country did... They are not taking it seriously. Europe is basically in total lockdown already, so is South America. As an European i can understand why people didn't want to overreact when it was just in Asia (heck, that happens every few years doesn't it?), and thought it was going to be ok for us.

But when you see nations like Italy be near a breaking point and all other European countries whose healthcare can easily rival the US go into basically total quarantines and lockdown you should KNOW IT'S SERIOUS! Nations aren't crashing their economies for the lulz. And yet most in the US still believe it will pass without affecting them, and because of that it will affect them 10x more than if they did the same as Italy is doing right now for example.

I think a lot of cities are taking it fairly seriously. Much of middle america hasn't had a ton of cases though and it seems like many are taking it seriously. Most businesses around me have gone to work from home or shut down and I'm in Austin. Grocery stores were still pretty busy last I saw though.

As a whole people in the USA really started waking up this weekend (for the most part.) I think our actions have practically matched those taken in Italy at equivalent points in our timelines. That's not very encouraging, we'll see what happens.

Austin has shut down bars and restaurants (at least eating inside) and has also banned gatherings of 10 or more people (though I doubt many even do that unless they are having to go to work or go to grocery store/doctor). No reported deaths in all of Texas yet that I know of (and Austin is in central texas and the smallest of the bigger cities in Texas).

[bwgood77]

Austin also just encouraged landlords, note holders, etc, please work with people....and telling restaurants that don't do carry out or delivery to do it.

[TheNewEra]

Why is Italy getting hit so hard with deaths compared to other places?

[shangrila]

Italy update (live press conference)

New cases
2989 (yesterday 2470)

Deaths
345 (yesterday 349)

How do the number of deaths go down? Or is that a daily number?

[Sisqo]

Why is Italy getting hit so hard with deaths compared to other places?

I'm sure the average age of the area has something to do with it.

[Optimus_Steel]

I work for a large national distributor, hiring has been frozen till at least end of April. Except for warehouse workers and driver's.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Sounds about right.

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[shangrila]

Why is Italy getting hit so hard with deaths compared to other places?

Their health system got overwhelmed to a point where they literally can't treat everybody. There's stories of them having to decide who they're going to treat for example, and apparently they don't test nurses anymore.

And this is why containment measures are important. That health sector getting overwhelmed is the real danger.

[Sisqo]

Italy update (live press conference)

New cases
2989 (yesterday 2470)

Deaths
345 (yesterday 349)

How do the number of deaths go down? Or is that a daily number?

Sadly this is the daily number.