Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[madmaxmedia]

The world needs to come down on hard on China. Miss me with this xenophobic defense; this is the 3rd time in a fairly recent window that an outbreak started there and reached across the world.

It's not racist. It is the Chinese virus and the world shouldnt be sensitive about it. China needs to be told to get their chit together

what about all the epidemics that have started in yemen, mexico, west africa, haiti, etc. swine flu, ebola, cholera outbreaks have all killed more.

you think about china as the epicenter of all these diseases because, yeah, it is xenophobia and society encourages sinophobia. and they do have these sorts of diseases there because it's a poor third world country that a lot of people from all around the world are constantly traveling back and forth from.

anyway, i don't know how you missed literally the first post in this thread telling you not to post about this.

Ya, there's really no comparison. What other country has produced outbreaks that have reached around the globe? There are cases around the world but the largest affect is on those home countries. This is 3rd time that China has produced an outbreak and this time it might legit crash the entire world economy.

That you think that shouldnt be a topic of discussion is ridiculous. It's not racist to question the hygiene of China's food markets.

It is a topic for discussion, BUT NOT IN THIS THREAD as PER THE OP.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[Ayt]

WHO telling like it is.

For most people, the coronavirus causes only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28917855/four-nets-players-test-positive-coronavirus

People can't see that we live in a clickbait media environment. No media is going to publish a headline: "COVID causes mild symptoms, most people recover." because it won't get any reads. Fear, panic, hate is what gets reads, and so all the media puts out are doom and gloom articles. And we think that will all the doom & gloom articles in circulation, that it's actually the norm when it's not.

And because we have such a fragile ego and being wrong is too painful, we call anyone who disagrees dumb, racist, ignorant, evil, etc.

Duh. That information is all over the place. On the other hand, if we weren't doing extreme quarantine measures, millions would die. Both things can be true.

The countless morons out there need to do what they can to not spread the virus even if they personally would likely be fine if they got sick.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

WHO telling like it is.

For most people, the coronavirus causes only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28917855/four-nets-players-test-positive-coronavirus

People can't see that we live in a clickbait media environment. No media is going to publish a headline: "COVID causes mild symptoms, most people recover." because it won't get any reads. Fear, panic, hate is what gets reads, and so all the media puts out are doom and gloom articles. And we think that will all the doom & gloom articles in circulation, that it's actually the norm when it's not.

And because we have such a fragile ego and being wrong is too painful, we call anyone who disagrees dumb, racist, ignorant, evil, etc.

Duh. That information is all over the place. On the other hand, if we weren't doing extreme quarantine measures, millions would die. Both things can be true.

The countless morons out there need to do what they can to not spread the virus even if they personally would likely be fine if they got sick.

This. The lack of respect some people have for the elderly and immunosuppressed is heartless.

[G R E Y]

Why is Italy getting hit so hard with deaths compared to other places?

Because the sheer amount of cases (31,506 as of today) has completely overwhelmed their health care system. They have run out of the necessary equipment (be them hospital beds or ventilators for those with serious respiratory issues) and they practically can't hospitalize everyone that requires hospitalization. That's why the death toll is so massive. It's exactly what happened in Wuhan.

That's the system risk that people have been talking about. That's what all countries want to avoid right now. The virus is basically everywhere (hence the classification of a pandemic) and the best you can do now is try to flatten the curve as much as possible (by limiting people movement and contact) so that it doesn't overwhelm your health care system.

Interesting visual. For three weeks, only 3 cases, all in the Lazio region, and then from February 21st onward once it got to the Lombardy and Veneto regions, such huge increases, especially in the north, but still grew throughout the south. It's incredible to see the rise in a graphic like this:

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[sfernald]

WHO telling like it is.

For most people, the coronavirus causes only mild or moderate symptoms, such as fever and cough. For some, especially older adults and people with existing health problems, it can cause more severe illness, including pneumonia.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28917855/four-nets-players-test-positive-coronavirus

People can't see that we live in a clickbait media environment. No media is going to publish a headline: "COVID causes mild symptoms, most people recover." because it won't get any reads. Fear, panic, hate is what gets reads, and so all the media puts out are doom and gloom articles. And we think that will all the doom & gloom articles in circulation, that it's actually the norm when it's not.

And because we have such a fragile ego and being wrong is too painful, we call anyone who disagrees dumb, racist, ignorant, evil, etc.

i think we pretty well know this, and folk are worried about getting sick and then transferring it to old people with compromised immune systems.

also i think there is some kind of disaster fetish, why else are all those rich idiots in northern california building underground bunkers and maybe only tangentially related but why are all those tv shows and podcasts about serial killers, specifically men murdering women, so popular?

My gf loves those shows. But she loves the women murdering men ones even more for some reason.

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[slamilcarBarca]

The world needs to come down on hard on China. Miss me with this xenophobic defense; this is the 3rd time in a fairly recent window that an outbreak started there and reached across the world.

It's not racist. It is the Chinese virus and the world shouldnt be sensitive about it. China needs to be told to get their chit together

what about all the epidemics that have started in yemen, mexico, west africa, haiti, etc. swine flu, ebola, cholera outbreaks have all killed more.

you think about china as the epicenter of all these diseases because, yeah, it is xenophobia and society encourages sinophobia. and they do have these sorts of diseases there because it's a poor third world country that a lot of people from all around the world are constantly traveling back and forth from.

anyway, i don't know how you missed literally the first post in this thread telling you not to post about this.

i am holding back a few thoughts based on the "rules of engagement". however, why is the thread at the same time condoning and celebrating so much american bashing? the self loathing and hypocrisy is vulgar. i for one do not like to restrict speech of any kind in any format. but if the board moderation will not condone a discussion of anti-chinese bigotry it should also not condone the rampant anti-american bigotry either. trump's designation of the "chinese virus" as racist is just silly, divisive and petty when seen in the context of the 2 minute loop of cnn anchors and reporters doing the same thing for weeks/months prior. when you hear "wuhan virus" delivered by the worldy & sophisticated accent of christiane amanpour i suppose it is just so continental and cosmopolitan.

can the woke people just put it down for a second? norway just called the US a "third world country" and FFS hurricanes are racist these days . . .

Strike for derailing into political talk, telling moderators what they should or shouldn't do, posting nonsense.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

The world needs to come down on hard on China. Miss me with this xenophobic defense; this is the 3rd time in a fairly recent window that an outbreak started there and reached across the world.

It's not racist. It is the Chinese virus and the world shouldnt be sensitive about it. China needs to be told to get their chit together

what about all the epidemics that have started in yemen, mexico, west africa, haiti, etc. swine flu, ebola, cholera outbreaks have all killed more.

you think about china as the epicenter of all these diseases because, yeah, it is xenophobia and society encourages sinophobia. and they do have these sorts of diseases there because it's a poor third world country that a lot of people from all around the world are constantly traveling back and forth from.

anyway, i don't know how you missed literally the first post in this thread telling you not to post about this.

Ya, there's really no comparison. What other country has produced outbreaks that have reached around the globe? Some countries have outbreaks that have few cases around the world but the largest affect is on those home countries. This is 3rd time that China has produced an outbreak and this time it might legit crash the entire world economy.

That you think that shouldnt be a topic of discussion is ridiculous. It's not racist to question the hygiene of China's food markets.

i'm not calling you racist. nor am i trying to paint the picture that these food markets are healthy spaces. i feel like if it was actually up to the government, they would have been shut down decades ago as 'backward' and 'feudal'. people like them tho. why not? they seem fun. until you get sick i guess.

anyway it is a silly statement and maybe an indicator of our times to think that viruses have national origins. if you look at the origins of epidemics over the last 100 years that have spread worldwide, there is no basis to say it's only china. to be frank, i think some of the hysteria surrounding the coronavirus is a result of how we feel about China in the west these days, particularly the last 7 years. there is a measurable uptick in sinophobia all around the world. maybe asians more generally, some japanese people were detained in bolivia lol

[basketballRob]

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[LKN]

WHO telling like it is.



https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28917855/four-nets-players-test-positive-coronavirus

People can't see that we live in a clickbait media environment. No media is going to publish a headline: "COVID causes mild symptoms, most people recover." because it won't get any reads. Fear, panic, hate is what gets reads, and so all the media puts out are doom and gloom articles. And we think that will all the doom & gloom articles in circulation, that it's actually the norm when it's not.

And because we have such a fragile ego and being wrong is too painful, we call anyone who disagrees dumb, racist, ignorant, evil, etc.

Duh. That information is all over the place. On the other hand, if we weren't doing extreme quarantine measures, millions would die. Both things can be true.

The countless morons out there need to do what they can to not spread the virus even if they personally would likely be fine if they got sick.

This. The lack of respect some people have for the elderly and immunosuppressed is heartless.

There's a lot of kids who are immune compromised. I know a couple personally.

[sfernald]

The world needs to come down on hard on China. Miss me with this xenophobic defense; this is the 3rd time in a fairly recent window that an outbreak started there and reached across the world.

It's not racist. It is the Chinese virus and the world shouldnt be sensitive about it. China needs to be told to get their chit together

what about all the epidemics that have started in yemen, mexico, west africa, haiti, etc. swine flu, ebola, cholera outbreaks have all killed more.

you think about china as the epicenter of all these diseases because, yeah, it is xenophobia and society encourages sinophobia. and they do have these sorts of diseases there because it's a poor third world country that a lot of people from all around the world are constantly traveling back and forth from.

anyway, i don't know how you missed literally the first post in this thread telling you not to post about this.

i am holding back a few thoughts based on the "rules of engagement". however, why is the thread at the same time condoning and celebrating so much american bashing? the self loathing and hypocrisy is vulgar. i for one do not like to restrict speech of any kind in any format. but if the board moderation will not condone a discussion of anti-chinese bigotry it should also not condone the rampant anti-american bigotry either. trump's designation of the "chinese virus" as racist is just silly, divisive and petty when seen in the context of the 2 minute loop of cnn anchors and reporters doing the same thing for weeks/months prior. when you hear "wuhan virus" delivered by the worldy & sophisticated accent of christiane amanpour i suppose it is just so continental and cosmopolitan.

can the woke people just put it down for a second? norway just called the US a "third world country" and FFS hurricanes are racist these days . . .

Trump is going to take criticism no matter what he does or says right now. He can handle it. History will decide his legacy in the end.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Why is Italy getting hit so hard with deaths compared to other places?

Because the sheer amount of cases (31,506 as of today) has completely overwhelmed their health care system. They have run out of the necessary equipment (be them hospital beds or ventilators for those with serious respiratory issues) and they practically can't hospitalize everyone that requires hospitalization. That's why the death toll is so massive. It's exactly what happened in Wuhan.

That's the system risk that people have been talking about. That's what all countries want to avoid right now. The virus is basically everywhere (hence the classification of a pandemic) and the best you can do now is try to flatten the curve as much as possible (by limiting people movement and contact) so that it doesn't overwhelm your health care system.

Interesting visual. For three weeks, only 3 cases, all in the Lazio region, and then from February 21st onward once it got to the Lombardy and Veneto regions, such huge increases, especially in the north, but still grew throughout the south. It's incredible to see the rise in a graphic like this:

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It took 11 days to go from 1,000 or so cases to 15,000. And it's taken them 5 days to go from 15,000 to 31,000....unreal.

[slamilcarBarca]

Because the sheer amount of cases (31,506 as of today) has completely overwhelmed their health care system. They have run out of the necessary equipment (be them hospital beds or ventilators for those with serious respiratory issues) and they practically can't hospitalize everyone that requires hospitalization. That's why the death toll is so massive. It's exactly what happened in Wuhan.

That's the system risk that people have been talking about. That's what all countries want to avoid right now. The virus is basically everywhere (hence the classification of a pandemic) and the best you can do now is try to flatten the curve as much as possible (by limiting people movement and contact) so that it doesn't overwhelm your health care system.

Interesting visual. For three weeks, only 3 cases, all in the Lazio region, and then from February 21st onward once it got to the Lombardy and Veneto regions, such huge increases, especially in the north, but still grew throughout the south. It's incredible to see the rise in a graphic like this:

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It took 11 days to go from 1,000 or so cases to 15,000. And it's taken them 5 days to go from 15,000 to 31,000....unreal.

terrifying. but that map needs a thermal component to really hit home. watching the color change would have far greater impact in my estimation.

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[Nuntius]

Why is Italy getting hit so hard with deaths compared to other places?

Because the sheer amount of cases (31,506 as of today) has completely overwhelmed their health care system. They have run out of the necessary equipment (be them hospital beds or ventilators for those with serious respiratory issues) and they practically can't hospitalize everyone that requires hospitalization. That's why the death toll is so massive. It's exactly what happened in Wuhan.

That's the system risk that people have been talking about. That's what all countries want to avoid right now. The virus is basically everywhere (hence the classification of a pandemic) and the best you can do now is try to flatten the curve as much as possible (by limiting people movement and contact) so that it doesn't overwhelm your health care system.

Interesting visual. For three weeks, only 3 cases, all in the Lazio region, and then from February 21st onward once it got to the Lombardy and Veneto regions, such huge increases, especially in the north, but still grew throughout the south. It's incredible to see the rise in a graphic like this:

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Incredible and horrifying at the same time. According to what I've read about the clusters in Italy the first 3 cases weren't related to the cluster in Lombardy. That explains why there is such a huge gap (3 weeks, bigger than the maximum incubation period) between those 3 cases and the Lombardy cluster.

[Ayt]

Because the sheer amount of cases (31,506 as of today) has completely overwhelmed their health care system. They have run out of the necessary equipment (be them hospital beds or ventilators for those with serious respiratory issues) and they practically can't hospitalize everyone that requires hospitalization. That's why the death toll is so massive. It's exactly what happened in Wuhan.

That's the system risk that people have been talking about. That's what all countries want to avoid right now. The virus is basically everywhere (hence the classification of a pandemic) and the best you can do now is try to flatten the curve as much as possible (by limiting people movement and contact) so that it doesn't overwhelm your health care system.

Interesting visual. For three weeks, only 3 cases, all in the Lazio region, and then from February 21st onward once it got to the Lombardy and Veneto regions, such huge increases, especially in the north, but still grew throughout the south. It's incredible to see the rise in a graphic like this:

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It took 11 days to go from 1,000 or so cases to 15,000. And it's taken them 5 days to go from 15,000 to 31,000....unreal.

The US is on the same trajectory. Who knows how it will look over the next week as we ramp up testing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pGS-7crotTLUm4b28w4LWQE8a3m9jjF6rP7h0impqDA/edit#gid=0

[basketballRob]

Because the sheer amount of cases (31,506 as of today) has completely overwhelmed their health care system. They have run out of the necessary equipment (be them hospital beds or ventilators for those with serious respiratory issues) and they practically can't hospitalize everyone that requires hospitalization. That's why the death toll is so massive. It's exactly what happened in Wuhan.

That's the system risk that people have been talking about. That's what all countries want to avoid right now. The virus is basically everywhere (hence the classification of a pandemic) and the best you can do now is try to flatten the curve as much as possible (by limiting people movement and contact) so that it doesn't overwhelm your health care system.

Interesting visual. For three weeks, only 3 cases, all in the Lazio region, and then from February 21st onward once it got to the Lombardy and Veneto regions, such huge increases, especially in the north, but still grew throughout the south. It's incredible to see the rise in a graphic like this:

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Incredible and horrifying at the same time. According to what I've read about the clusters in Italy the first 3 cases weren't related to the cluster in Lombardy. That explains why there is such a huge gap (3 weeks, bigger than the maximum incubation period) between those 3 cases and the Lombardy cluster.

I know we don't seem as concerned to places that only have a few cases but they are going to grow.

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[LKN]

All I can say is all those disaster movies where stupid people/government officials ignore all the scientists warning them about the impending disaster have turned out to be pretty damn realistic.

[LKN]

Interesting visual. For three weeks, only 3 cases, all in the Lazio region, and then from February 21st onward once it got to the Lombardy and Veneto regions, such huge increases, especially in the north, but still grew throughout the south. It's incredible to see the rise in a graphic like this:

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It took 11 days to go from 1,000 or so cases to 15,000. And it's taken them 5 days to go from 15,000 to 31,000....unreal.

The US is on the same trajectory. Who knows how it will look over the next week as we ramp up testing.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pGS-7crotTLUm4b28w4LWQE8a3m9jjF6rP7h0impqDA/edit#gid=0

The #s are going to explode. I'm guessing this thing is everywhere and our numbers are orders of magnitude lower than reality. We still are behind on testing and really got to semi-reasonable status in the last 2 days or so.