2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 2)

[jvsimonetti0514]

My thing about taking Wiseman is, how many good teams are built offensively around dominant bigs?

You have the Nuggets, the Sixers, and arguably the Pacers and Magic (who I'm really stretching the definition of "good" here), and that's it.

Even with guys like KAT and AD, it's been really a struggle for teams to build consistent good teams around them

So for me, I think it'd be better for us to roll with Mitch and use our pick on a good wing/guard prospect. The issue, of course, being that there really isn't a great prospect in this draft. Maybe Anthony Edwards, or LaMelo if you're really high on him, but I think Wiseman is clearly BPA

I'd take Edwards over Wiseman, but that's about it. If nobody offers a godfather deal, just take Wiseman then

I think your analysis on bigs in the NBA is spot on but I'm kinda surprised the only wing/guard you like better than Wiseman is Edwards. Is it because you just don't like LaMelo and Hayes or you're just higher on Wiseman?

I keep seeing Wiseman NBA comparison as DeAndre Jordan but not really a super athlete. So what is he going to give us, that we don't already have in Mitch? Maybe a post game? I don't think there's any signs that he's can shoot threes. I'd rather throw some money at Christian Woods instead.

The only big that is really leading his team anywhere is Jokic and he's as unique of a big man the NBA has ever seen. Even as good as Embiid is he's not really the guy that's going to get you a bucket down the stretch of a game.

[Fat]

If the Knicks end up with the 1st overall pick it's honestly going to be hard to pass up on James Wiseman. Doesn't mean we should take Wiseman, but you don't want to be the team that passes on Wiseman and then see him reach his potential in a few years. If everyone reaches their max potential, Wiseman hands down would be the most dominant player of the group. If that alpha personality is in there somewhere (he's more of a beta+ right now) and comes out, he's going to be scary. You put him in an NBA conditioning regimen, get him to grow into his own skin and he's going to be able to do things no other big right now can. That's all I'm saying here.

id take Edwards 1st without thinking twice. Not that i dont believe in wisemans potential but all we really have to go off of is his brief stint before he got suspended and all i saw there is a Mitchell robinson 2.0 with less defensive ability in the P&R but more offense potential.

all players look dominant in highschool so i dont even really count that stuff but yeah id just take Ant man first.

[BugginOut]

Weekly Draft Lamelo post.

Get it done Leon!

[jvsimonetti0514]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880944-2020-nba-mock-draft-predicting-landing-spots-for-lamelo-ball-top-prospects

Spoiler:

2020 NBA Mock Draft

1. Golden State Warriors: Anthony Edwards, SG, Georgia
2. Cleveland Cavaliers: Deni Avdija, F, Maccabi Tel Aviv
3. Minnesota Timberwolves: LaMelo Ball, PG, Illawarra Hawks
4. Atlanta Hawks: Cole Anthony, PG, North Carolina
5. Detroit Pistons: James Wiseman, C, Memphis
6. New York Knicks: RJ Hampton, SG, New Zealand Breakers
7. Chicago Bulls: Tyrese Haliburton, PG, Iowa State
8. Charlotte Hornets: Killian Hayes, PG, Ratiopharm Ulm
9. Washington Wizards: Onyeka Okongwu, PF/C, USC
10. Phoenix Suns: Isaac Okoro, SF, Auburn
11. San Antonio Spurs: Obi Toppin, PF, Dayton
12. Sacramento Kings: Tyrese Maxey, SG, Kentucky
13. New Orleans Pelicans: Precious Achiuwa, PF/C, Memphis
14. Portland Trail Blazers: Devin Vassell, SF, Florida State
15. Orlando Magic: Nico Mannion, PG, Arizona
16. Minnesota Timberwolves (from BKN): Saddiq Bey, SF, Villanova
17. Boston Celtics (from MEM): Patrick Williams, PF, Florida State
18. Dallas Mavericks: Aleksej Pokusevski, PF, Olympiacos
19. Milwaukee Bucks (from IND): Josh Green, SG, Arizona
20. Brooklyn Nets (from PHI): Jaden McDaniels, SF/PF, Washington
21. Denver Nuggets (from HOU): Aaron Nesmith, SF, Vanderbilt
22. Philadelphia 76ers (from OKC): Vernon Carey Jr., PF/C, Duke
23. Miami Heat: Jalen Smith, PF, Maryland
24. Utah Jazz: Theo Maledon, PG, ASVEL
25. Oklahoma City Thunder (from DEN): Isaiah Stewart, C, Washington
26. Boston Celtics: Leandro Bolmaro, SF, FC Barcelona
27. New York Knicks (from LAC): Tre Jones, PG, Duke
28. Toronto Raptors: Kira Lewis Jr., PG, Alabama
29. Los Angeles Lakers: Jahmi'us Ramsey, SG, Texas Tech
30. Boston Celtics (from MIL): Xavier Tillman, PF, Michigan State

This mock has us walking out of the draft with RJ Hampton before Haliburton and Hayes and has us taking Tre Jones at 27 before Kira Lewis. Out of the box thinking but I don't really see us going that way.

[DOT]

My thing about taking Wiseman is, how many good teams are built offensively around dominant bigs?

You have the Nuggets, the Sixers, and arguably the Pacers and Magic (who I'm really stretching the definition of "good" here), and that's it.

Even with guys like KAT and AD, it's been really a struggle for teams to build consistent good teams around them

So for me, I think it'd be better for us to roll with Mitch and use our pick on a good wing/guard prospect. The issue, of course, being that there really isn't a great prospect in this draft. Maybe Anthony Edwards, or LaMelo if you're really high on him, but I think Wiseman is clearly BPA

I'd take Edwards over Wiseman, but that's about it. If nobody offers a godfather deal, just take Wiseman then

I think your analysis on bigs in the NBA is spot on but I'm kinda surprised the only wing/guard you like better than Wiseman is Edwards. Is it because you just don't like LaMelo and Hayes or you're just higher on Wiseman?

I'm not really big on Hayes, he could be good, but I think Wiseman has a much higher ceiling

LaMelo is just a really hard prospect for me to grade. I think even at his peak, I don't see him being a great scorer (and his defense is pretty lackluster), but his vision is great and he shows flashes of at least being able to shoot. He reminds me a lot of Lonzo, only difference being I can't remember if Lonzo's defense was as bad in college

I honestly might take Haliburton over them, I think Haliburton gives you pretty much everything Lonzo does, but he's shorter and not as good of a passer. But he is much more developed, and a near perfect fit next to RJ if everything pans out

Deni Avdija is someone I'm gonna pay attention to too, I think he's gonna start rising up the boards. Haven't seen enough of him yet though

[El Poochio]

Daily Draft Lamelo post.

Get it done Lavar!

Fixed

Spoiler:

They can be our version of Tatum - Brown imo but obviously light years ahead

[El Poochio]

Avdija to Doncic is what Dragan Bender was to KP

[El Poochio]

Killian Hayes looks like DLO

[knickstape21]

Way too many Hezonja vibes with Avdija. The NBA is a different animal.

[HerSports85]

Anything outside of the top 3 and we’re drafting Cole.

I think Haliburton injury will hurt him and we might not be so willing to draft another foreign player (Hayes and Deni)

Plus I think our FO sees the upside in Cole and think this season was a wash because the talent he had around him

Just trying to talk myself into this pick.

[Fat]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880944-2020-nba-mock-draft-predicting-landing-spots-for-lamelo-ball-top-prospects

Spoiler:

2020 NBA Mock Draft

1. Golden State Warriors: Anthony Edwards, SG, Georgia
2. Cleveland Cavaliers: Deni Avdija, F, Maccabi Tel Aviv
3. Minnesota Timberwolves: LaMelo Ball, PG, Illawarra Hawks
4. Atlanta Hawks: Cole Anthony, PG, North Carolina
5. Detroit Pistons: James Wiseman, C, Memphis
6. New York Knicks: RJ Hampton, SG, New Zealand Breakers
7. Chicago Bulls: Tyrese Haliburton, PG, Iowa State
8. Charlotte Hornets: Killian Hayes, PG, Ratiopharm Ulm
9. Washington Wizards: Onyeka Okongwu, PF/C, USC
10. Phoenix Suns: Isaac Okoro, SF, Auburn
11. San Antonio Spurs: Obi Toppin, PF, Dayton
12. Sacramento Kings: Tyrese Maxey, SG, Kentucky
13. New Orleans Pelicans: Precious Achiuwa, PF/C, Memphis
14. Portland Trail Blazers: Devin Vassell, SF, Florida State
15. Orlando Magic: Nico Mannion, PG, Arizona
16. Minnesota Timberwolves (from BKN): Saddiq Bey, SF, Villanova
17. Boston Celtics (from MEM): Patrick Williams, PF, Florida State
18. Dallas Mavericks: Aleksej Pokusevski, PF, Olympiacos
19. Milwaukee Bucks (from IND): Josh Green, SG, Arizona
20. Brooklyn Nets (from PHI): Jaden McDaniels, SF/PF, Washington
21. Denver Nuggets (from HOU): Aaron Nesmith, SF, Vanderbilt
22. Philadelphia 76ers (from OKC): Vernon Carey Jr., PF/C, Duke
23. Miami Heat: Jalen Smith, PF, Maryland
24. Utah Jazz: Theo Maledon, PG, ASVEL
25. Oklahoma City Thunder (from DEN): Isaiah Stewart, C, Washington
26. Boston Celtics: Leandro Bolmaro, SF, FC Barcelona
27. New York Knicks (from LAC): Tre Jones, PG, Duke
28. Toronto Raptors: Kira Lewis Jr., PG, Alabama
29. Los Angeles Lakers: Jahmi'us Ramsey, SG, Texas Tech
30. Boston Celtics (from MIL): Xavier Tillman, PF, Michigan State

This mock has us walking out of the draft with RJ Hampton before Haliburton and Hayes and has us taking Tre Jones at 27 before Kira Lewis. Out of the box thinking but I don't really see us going that way.

Hampton doesn't really standout in any category outside of his athleticism

To me if the knicks arent coming out the draft with a player than can without a doubt make players better or can actually score/shoot then im lost with what were trying to accomplish honestly.

[robillionaire]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2880944-2020-nba-mock-draft-predicting-landing-spots-for-lamelo-ball-top-prospects

Spoiler:

2020 NBA Mock Draft

1. Golden State Warriors: Anthony Edwards, SG, Georgia
2. Cleveland Cavaliers: Deni Avdija, F, Maccabi Tel Aviv
3. Minnesota Timberwolves: LaMelo Ball, PG, Illawarra Hawks
4. Atlanta Hawks: Cole Anthony, PG, North Carolina
5. Detroit Pistons: James Wiseman, C, Memphis
6. New York Knicks: RJ Hampton, SG, New Zealand Breakers
7. Chicago Bulls: Tyrese Haliburton, PG, Iowa State
8. Charlotte Hornets: Killian Hayes, PG, Ratiopharm Ulm
9. Washington Wizards: Onyeka Okongwu, PF/C, USC
10. Phoenix Suns: Isaac Okoro, SF, Auburn
11. San Antonio Spurs: Obi Toppin, PF, Dayton
12. Sacramento Kings: Tyrese Maxey, SG, Kentucky
13. New Orleans Pelicans: Precious Achiuwa, PF/C, Memphis
14. Portland Trail Blazers: Devin Vassell, SF, Florida State
15. Orlando Magic: Nico Mannion, PG, Arizona
16. Minnesota Timberwolves (from BKN): Saddiq Bey, SF, Villanova
17. Boston Celtics (from MEM): Patrick Williams, PF, Florida State
18. Dallas Mavericks: Aleksej Pokusevski, PF, Olympiacos
19. Milwaukee Bucks (from IND): Josh Green, SG, Arizona
20. Brooklyn Nets (from PHI): Jaden McDaniels, SF/PF, Washington
21. Denver Nuggets (from HOU): Aaron Nesmith, SF, Vanderbilt
22. Philadelphia 76ers (from OKC): Vernon Carey Jr., PF/C, Duke
23. Miami Heat: Jalen Smith, PF, Maryland
24. Utah Jazz: Theo Maledon, PG, ASVEL
25. Oklahoma City Thunder (from DEN): Isaiah Stewart, C, Washington
26. Boston Celtics: Leandro Bolmaro, SF, FC Barcelona
27. New York Knicks (from LAC): Tre Jones, PG, Duke
28. Toronto Raptors: Kira Lewis Jr., PG, Alabama
29. Los Angeles Lakers: Jahmi'us Ramsey, SG, Texas Tech
30. Boston Celtics (from MIL): Xavier Tillman, PF, Michigan State

This mock has us walking out of the draft with RJ Hampton before Haliburton and Hayes and has us taking Tre Jones at 27 before Kira Lewis. Out of the box thinking but I don't really see us going that way.

Hampton doesn't really standout in any category outside of his athleticism

To me if the knicks arent coming out the draft with a player than can without a doubt make players better or can actually score/shoot then im lost with what were trying to accomplish honestly.

Upside

[Fat]

If we are picking from 5-7 give me:
Hayes
Haliburton
Anthony

And with our 27th pick give me:
Aaron Nesmith
Patrick William's
Precious Achiuwa

With the 38th:
Jordan Nwora

i feel the same way give me any of those point guards. Hayes personally id wants first off the list. French D-Lo, love his pace and playstyle.

Id add isiah joe as a 2nd rounder candidate or even late first rounder with the clippers pick. good catch and shoot player.

[finestrg]

My thing about taking Wiseman is, how many good teams are built offensively around dominant bigs?

You have the Nuggets, the Sixers, and arguably the Pacers and Magic (who I'm really stretching the definition of "good" here), and that's it.

Even with guys like KAT and AD, it's been really a struggle for teams to build consistent good teams around them

So for me, I think it'd be better for us to roll with Mitch and use our pick on a good wing/guard prospect. The issue, of course, being that there really isn't a great prospect in this draft. Maybe Anthony Edwards, or LaMelo if you're really high on him, but I think Wiseman is clearly BPA

I'd take Edwards over Wiseman, but that's about it. If nobody offers a godfather deal, just take Wiseman then

I think your analysis on bigs in the NBA is spot on but I'm kinda surprised the only wing/guard you like better than Wiseman is Edwards. Is it because you just don't like LaMelo and Hayes or you're just higher on Wiseman?

I keep seeing Wiseman NBA comparison as DeAndre Jordan but not really a super athlete. So what is he going to give us, that we don't already have in Mitch? Maybe a post game? I don't think there's any signs that he's can shoot threes. I'd rather throw some money at Christian Woods instead.

The only big that is really leading his team anywhere is Jokic and he's as unique of a big man the NBA has ever seen. Even as good as Embiid is he's not really the guy that's going to get you a bucket down the stretch of a game.

I have a lot of concerns with Wiseman as well. I just hate the fact that he didn't return to school and we haven't been able to evaluate his progress. No idea what the kid really is -- I mean is he D'Andre Jordan or is he closer to David Robinson? No way to draw an accurate opinion here. i just know the Admiral was damn special and I'm not sure I'm ready to make that comparison. Nothing to really base it on...

Meanwhile, if we're talking bigs, I honestly believe Daniel Oturu is getting criminally overlooked here. I didn't have the good fortune of seeing him live this year but I looked at all the video available on this kid -- I think he's the real deal fellas. There's nothing he can't already do and do well as far as what you would hope your center would bring to the game. Averaging 20/11.5 and 2.5 blocks per--nothing to sneeze at at all. So the numbers really pop, then you look at his game video to get an even better idea: he gets his offense is a variety of ways -- he's a bonafide post presence (already very effective, but you could just tell he's got the ability to refine it even further, which is scary to me), he can hit from mid-range and he's a budding 3-pt shooter as well. Beautiful shooting stroke for a big -- I mean it's flawless looking. I think he's got a ton a potential as both a stretch big AND a post player.. Even though he's right around 70% at the line, you can tell by his good shooting mechanics that he's got potential here as well (I see a guy capable of shooting 75-80% or better at the line in the NBA. His mechanics at the line are real nice, very rinse-and-repeat). Then there's the rebounding and shot-blocking which are NBA impact ready right now. I love what this kid can do right now and can only think how much better he will eventually be once he gets 2-3 seasons under his belt in the NBA. And to think quite a few drafts aren't even including him in their top 30 for the first round. Absolutely nuts i tell ya!!!! This kid's top-10 talent all the way and I'd be very comfortable with him in the 5-7 range. I think he'd be a damn good pick if we got him there. All depends on being drafted by the right team and eventual usage, I get that, but I see a kid that's 15/10/1.5 in his rookie year without question right out of the gate, then a guy that could easily duplicate the numbers he's put up in college this season, maybe even eclipse them. I see the floor as a good combination of Myles Turner's shooting mixed with Andre Drummond's rebounding/physical presence. That's the floor. The ceiling is Karl Anthony-Towns. I hope we don't sleep on this kid. Leon, at least bring him in for a workout to get a good look, all I ask...

[robillionaire]

if cole anthony pulled a wiseman and only played 2 games and that was it we'd probably be calling him top 3 pick. But he played more so we got to see the holes in his game. We never got that chance with Wiseman. Not to say he'd have disappointed as well, but we just don't know

[Garbagelo]

We don't have time to develop Wiseman

[RHODEY]

We don't have time to develop Wiseman

Why? We aint contending anytime soon.

[knickstape21]

Gotta bring up Kira Lewis again. He gives me Ja Morant vibes without the hops/athleticism.

[El Poochio]

Gotta bring up Kira Lewis again. He gives me Ja Morant vibes without the hops/athleticism.

Morant without hops = washed up Rondo doesnt sound that exciting to me

[RHODEY]

Gotta bring up Kira Lewis again. He gives me Ja Morant vibes without the hops/athleticism.