Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[basketballRob]

Approx 40% have $400 or less saved, 70% have $1,000 or less. 78% live pay check to pay check. It's a dire financial situation that's been dangerous for years, and just a slight financial interruption is a recipe for calamity. Which is why the Federal government dragging their feet like this, with the items proposed being far short of what is required will make the situation worse. At the very least, right away they need to announce suspension of mortgage, rent, utilities, but indications are that's it's not even being discussed yet. Lots of people have and are losing their jobs and nothing is stopping the bills from coming.

This is day 2 and Marriott is already cutting tens of thousands of jobs. Before we know it, there will be no hotel workers. How many hotel workers are there in this country? That is just one example...not counting the retail employees, restaurant servers, etc etc. Telling people they don't have to pay their bills if they stay home for 2 months is the best thing we can do right now to avoid catastrophe.

Precisely. And the presidential administration took a while to take this seriously, they are taking it more serious now but they are still way behind where they need to be and seem more focused in helping large corporations when they should be focusing on shoring up everyday Americans immediately.

Maybe he won't take a bailout for his hotels.

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[Clay Davis]

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Thanks for posting this, my bro-in-law has similar asthma and I sent this to him immediately.

https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1201971220301016

Can happen to pretty healthy people, as well

[madmaxmedia]

I'm really curious what happens in 2 months if this remains and we do have 20% unemployment...most people can't cover a $400 emergency right? At some point in the future, there is going to be a revolt and people are going to say eff it and ignore orders. A $1,000 check is a band aid right now...people are prob going to blow that anyways before they lose their jobs

We are going to find out that a lot of people are suddenly socialists.

As someone on the other end of that spectrum...we need to hit this hard and fast. I don't think we have enough measures in place right now. We are risking killing the economy for years just because people don't want to stay home for a couple of months. Bring the military out and let's get this over with

It’s **** like this that is really hurting the cause right now...

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[LKN]

This is day 2 and Marriott is already cutting tens of thousands of jobs. Before we know it, there will be no hotel workers. How many hotel workers are there in this country? That is just one example...not counting the retail employees, restaurant servers, etc etc. Telling people they don't have to pay their bills if they stay home for 2 months is the best thing we can do right now to avoid catastrophe.

Precisely. And the presidential administration took a while to take this seriously, they are taking it more serious now but they are still way behind where they need to be and seem more focused in helping large corporations when they should be focusing on shoring up everyday Americans immediately.

Maybe he won't take a bailout for his hotels.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I literally laughed out loud

[Appwrangler]

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/elderberry

One study of 60 people with influenza found that those who took 15 ml of elderberry syrup four times per dayshowed symptom improvement in two to four days, while the control group took seven to eight days to improve (9Trusted Source).

Another study of 64 people found that taking 175-mg elderberry extract lozenges for two days resulted in significant improvement in flu symptoms, including fever, headache, muscle aches and nasal congestion, after just 24 hours (10).



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Please stop with the supplements posts. They have nothing to do with coronavirus.

[Nuntius]

I’m 100% if South Korea and Japan can get this under control in a reasonable amount of time, that we can too. We have to emulate them as much as possible.

I don't think that anyone else can do what these two countries have done. Japan and South Korea rank #1 and #2 respectively in hospital bed availability per the OECD -> https://data.oecd.org/healtheqt/hospital-beds.htm

These two countries also took measures much earlier than the West did and unlike us they didn't try to downplay it. We can try to emulate what they did but I don't think we'll have similar success.

[basketballRob]

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/elderberry

One study of 60 people with influenza found that those who took 15 ml of elderberry syrup four times per dayshowed symptom improvement in two to four days, while the control group took seven to eight days to improve (9Trusted Source).

Another study of 64 people found that taking 175-mg elderberry extract lozenges for two days resulted in significant improvement in flu symptoms, including fever, headache, muscle aches and nasal congestion, after just 24 hours (10).



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Please stop with the supplements posts. They have nothing to do with coronavirus.

They have everything to do with coronavirus. People are sharing information on building their immune system. Plus we're also sharing things they've learned about it.

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[BoogieTime]

Zinc- Slows the multiplication of Viruses and makes it harder for them to attach to mucus membranes.

Vitamin C- Helps shorten the length of sickness by a small percentage (8%-12% on average). It does this by aiding in the production of white blood cells. On average a sickness is about a day shorter.

Vitamin D- Boost levels of antimicrobial peptides (a natural anti biotic of sorts from the body), especially in the lung/sinuses. It also helps prevent against Asthma attacks/reactions. Basically for upper respiratory sickness (most cold and flu, including COVID) it's very useful.

All the vitamins and minerals every single day are so important to get the 100% daily value or more. Zinc, Vitamin C and Vitamin D are definetly the best ones for preventing sickness/ fighting sickness.

I’m assuming the cheap gummy multivitamins which show the proper daily %s I take will cover (if in fact I haven’t fought the disease already - another issue)

[BoogieTime]

Will be interesting to see how temperature does affect the virus

Those not living paycheck to paycheck or who can work online might start to move en masse til the vaccine or whatever comes up (if all the other countries don’t close their borders)

[azcatz11]

Can we put a sticky on this board telling all people who are not spending as much of the time possible in home...that they will not have a job in 6 months? And they will be competing with thousands who are probably looking for hotel housekeeping jobs to pay their bills?

[SFour]

I agree with others talking about vitamin C and D....they are cheap and it doesn't hurt to use these supplements at least for the next couple of months to boost the immune system

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A Review of Micronutrients and the Immune System–Working in Harmony to Reduce the Risk of Infection
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/1/236

evidence indicates that supplementation with multiple micronutrients with immune-supporting roles may modulate immune function and reduce the risk of infection. Micronutrients with the strongest evidence for immune support are vitamins C and D and zinc.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n06.shtml

Toronto Star, 30 May 2003: "Fred Hui, MD believes that administering vitamin C intravenously is a treatment worth trying. And he'd like to see people admitted to hospital for the pneumonia-like virus treated with the vitamin intravenously while also receiving the usual drugs for SARS. 'I appeal to hospitals to try this for people who already have SARS,' says Hui. Members of the public would also do well to build up their levels of vitamin C, he says, adding that there is nothing to lose in trying it. 'This is one of the most harmless substances there is,' Hui states.

[spacemonkey]

Speaking of Korea and Japan, if a place like Hong Kong, one of the most densely populated cities on the planet, a city which overwhelmingly relies on extremely crowded mass public transit (so basically the best vector for spreading), and which is not currently and has never closed off their borders to mainland China meaning imported cases from the source were a high risk from the get-go (and many did escape China's quarantine into Hong Kong), and continue to be a significant risk, can handle this thing and quite effectively limit it's spread (170~ cases in a pop of nearly 8 million)...

It requires considerable public buy-in, though, and a commitment to social distancing, self-quarantining when possible, and proper hygiene. It helped that Hong Kong took this seriously from the get-go due to prior experience with SARS, and there is obviously a similar pattern across a lot of developed SEA who didn't dawdle with a thumb up their butts denying the severity of this for too long.

I guess it's just the flu bros gotta get their crowded bar fix in, can't possibly abstain for a few weeks.

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[bwgood77]

I'm really curious what happens in 2 months if this remains and we do have 20% unemployment...most people can't cover a $400 emergency right? At some point in the future, there is going to be a revolt and people are going to say eff it and ignore orders. A $1,000 check is a band aid right now...people are prob going to blow that anyways before they lose their jobs

I've thought this too. Regardless of how anyone may feel about how dangerous the Coronavirus is, there's going to come a point where these quarantine/lockdown measures are going to become completely unsustainable. If this virus were to be in full force for say, 8 months, there's going to come a point where, IMO, people are just going to have to accept some level of risk of getting the virus in order to keep the economy and civilization moving.

Well if it hits 50% of the public they should develop immunity to it, and then once recovered, if they recover, they should be able to go back to work without fear of infecting anyone or getting infected. Of course this is a new virus so things could change, and nothing is 100%, but for the most part, that should be what happens.

[bwgood77]

Can we put a sticky on this board telling all people who are not spending as much of the time possible in home...that they will not have a job in 6 months? And they will be competing with thousands who are probably looking for hotel housekeeping jobs to pay their bills?

A lot of people will have jobs...it depends on the job. And they shouldn't be able to fire people for getting sick, and once they come back it should be fine. Layoffs for industries that are hit will be what kills businesses because of isolation is what will kill the economy....not that people shouldn't self isolate. But it's not our job to tell people what to do. They should know what they can do, and some will try not to because they likely won't care. A sticky won't change that.

[Sisqo]

I'm really curious what happens in 2 months if this remains and we do have 20% unemployment...most people can't cover a $400 emergency right? At some point in the future, there is going to be a revolt and people are going to say eff it and ignore orders. A $1,000 check is a band aid right now...people are prob going to blow that anyways before they lose their jobs

I've thought this too. Regardless of how anyone may feel about how dangerous the Coronavirus is, there's going to come a point where these quarantine/lockdown measures are going to become completely unsustainable. If this virus were to be in full force for say, 8 months, there's going to come a point where, IMO, people are just going to have to accept some level of risk of getting the virus in order to keep the economy and civilization moving.

Well if it hits 50% of the public they should develop immunity to it, and then once recovered, if they recover, they should be able to go back to work without fear of infecting anyone or getting infected. Of course this is a new virus so things could change, and nothing is 100%, but for the most part, that should be what happens.

Is there any thing to promise this whole immunity angle? Not all viruses work that way and you can be reinfected just like you did the first time. They don't know enough about it yet to say for sure.

[bwgood77]

I've thought this too. Regardless of how anyone may feel about how dangerous the Coronavirus is, there's going to come a point where these quarantine/lockdown measures are going to become completely unsustainable. If this virus were to be in full force for say, 8 months, there's going to come a point where, IMO, people are just going to have to accept some level of risk of getting the virus in order to keep the economy and civilization moving.

Well if it hits 50% of the public they should develop immunity to it, and then once recovered, if they recover, they should be able to go back to work without fear of infecting anyone or getting infected. Of course this is a new virus so things could change, and nothing is 100%, but for the most part, that should be what happens.

Is there any thing to promise this whole immunity angle? Not all viruses work that way and you can be reinfected just like you did the first time. They don't know enough about it yet to say for sure.

No, not for sure, but that's the default. The flu is a particularly special virus in the way that it purposely changes it's surface to evade human immune systems. This virus has not shown that feature, it's unique.

It could be tricky to start letting a lot of people who have immunity go out and about if there is still a social distancing thing in place though...hard for people to stick to social distancing if they see others out and about.

[Tomjas]

I'm really curious what happens in 2 months if this remains and we do have 20% unemployment...most people can't cover a $400 emergency right? At some point in the future, there is going to be a revolt and people are going to say eff it and ignore orders. A $1,000 check is a band aid right now...people are prob going to blow that anyways before they lose their jobs

Approx 40% have $400 or less saved, 70% have $1,000 or less. 78% live pay check to pay check. It's a dire financial situation that's been dangerous for years, and just a slight financial interruption is a recipe for calamity. Which is why the Federal government dragging their feet like this, with the items proposed being far short of what is required will make the situation worse. At the very least, right away they need to announce suspension of mortgage, rent, utilities, but indications are that's it's not even being discussed yet. Lots of people have and are losing their jobs and nothing is stopping the bills from coming.

This is day 2 and Marriott is already cutting tens of thousands of jobs. Before we know it, there will be no hotel workers. How many hotel workers are there in this country? That is just one example...not counting the retail employees, restaurant servers, etc etc. Telling people they don't have to pay their bills if they stay home for 2 months is the best thing we can do right now to avoid catastrophe.

I live on the Gold Coast in Australia

Occupancy rate of local Marriott is currently 5-10%

Most hotels need occupancy rates of 60+ to survive

There’s going to be mass redundancies, bankruptcies, etc

[azcatz11]

Can we put a sticky on this board telling all people who are not spending as much of the time possible in home...that they will not have a job in 6 months? And they will be competing with thousands who are probably looking for hotel housekeeping jobs to pay their bills?

A lot of people will have jobs...it depends on the job. And they shouldn't be able to fire people for getting sick, and once they come back it should be fine. Layoffs for industries that are hit will be what kills businesses because of isolation is what will kill the economy....not that people shouldn't self isolate. But it's not our job to tell people what to do. They should know what they can do, and some will try not to because they likely won't care. A sticky won't change that.

That's the problem though...you have multiple industries who are going to have layoffs. Restaurants / hotels / cruise industry / airline industry / retail. What are all of these people supposed to do with a $1,000 check? It's crazy man...I'm not trying to be dramatic but I'm legitimately concerned of what's going to happen.

[azcatz11]

Approx 40% have $400 or less saved, 70% have $1,000 or less. 78% live pay check to pay check. It's a dire financial situation that's been dangerous for years, and just a slight financial interruption is a recipe for calamity. Which is why the Federal government dragging their feet like this, with the items proposed being far short of what is required will make the situation worse. At the very least, right away they need to announce suspension of mortgage, rent, utilities, but indications are that's it's not even being discussed yet. Lots of people have and are losing their jobs and nothing is stopping the bills from coming.

This is day 2 and Marriott is already cutting tens of thousands of jobs. Before we know it, there will be no hotel workers. How many hotel workers are there in this country? That is just one example...not counting the retail employees, restaurant servers, etc etc. Telling people they don't have to pay their bills if they stay home for 2 months is the best thing we can do right now to avoid catastrophe.

I live on the Gold Coast in Australia

Occupancy rate of local Marriott is currently 5-10%

Most hotels need occupancy rates of 60+ to survive

There’s going to be mass redundancies, bankruptcies, etc

My wife works for Marriott. There are internal talks that most hotels in Phoenix will close until September. This market is unique since no one stays here in Phoenix during the summer but it's extremely concerning.