Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[Lalouie]

LaLouie, the holding the breath thing, it might be because you're human. I can't speak for the people you passed on the street. But I can speak for myself. In recent days whether at work or out in public getting food, wherever. Even with people I know. I have been holding my breath or exhaling in the short time I am interacting or standing near them. It's about the virus. Not about anybody's prejudice in my case. It's with everybody I come close to. No exceptions.

Just as you wished in your first paragraph, hoping people practice judicious spacing. That's exactly the purpose of holding breath or exhaling when I am close to people temporarily. Why risk breathing the vapor that comes from their lungs if you don't have to? If somebody did the same with me I wouldn't be offended.

I'm pretty much attempting to be aware of every potential molecule I touch, brush up against with my clothes, and breath in the air. That includes avoiding breathing in other peoples' breath. I kind of assume that's one of the main ways it's transmitted, through moisture in the air especially out of peoples' lungs. It's why Kyle Kuzma claiming sanitizer doesn't work seems silly to me, maybe he knows somebody who contracted that uses sanitizer all the time, so now he thinks it doesn't work. And with the 4 Nets, I assume these 4 were in a room talking to each other in close proximity, breathing each others' breath, if they caught it from each other. If not sweating on each other and wiping their face, or sharing drinks, or passing the dutchie to the left hand side. I don't think it takes much.

well, i don't think they hold their breath passing by other races. but no big deal. i was just using it to segue into my comment later. even i understand it, i was just making a remark on it. i find (re utah) it interesting that only two players are infected considering the whole team at some point share the same space and air. the air in the team jet is recirculated is it not? so like,,,just how close do they have to be

I've been holding my breath every time I pass close to someone in public, and not getting on elevators with too many people. Race is irrelevant. I dont want to be breathing in anyone's exhalations. I also tell myself it probably makes zero difference, but do it anyway.

it's easier to just wear a mask, if you can get one. i predict in 4wks it'll become a fashion thing.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Sounds like they may have found the bullet.


https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/bayer-preps-u-s-donation-malaria-med-chloroquine-to-help-covid-19-fight-report

Chloroquine

I've been seeing that name for a month now as a possible effective treatment for the virus.

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That's for Malaria right?

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Yeah, costs something like 0.10 per pill

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[OkcSinceSGA]

US mortality rate is currently at 1.5% in total. Still heavily skewed towards old & underlying conditions, WA state care facility. If the top level rate drops to 0.5%, what is the plan then? Full panic still?

Yes, because if 75% of America gets infected (current curve if not stopped in a worst case), that's still a lot. Also you can't just look at deaths man. Look at people with permanently damaged lungs that live. Look at those that will get divorce papers, lose their homes, lose their jobs. I hate when people minimize this kind of stuff.

Some people will come out of this alive WISHING they died.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Sounds like they may have found the bullet.


https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/bayer-preps-u-s-donation-malaria-med-chloroquine-to-help-covid-19-fight-report

Chloroquine

I've been seeing that name for a month now as a possible effective treatment for the virus.

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That's for Malaria right?

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Yeah, costs something like 0.10 per pill

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That would be incredible.

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[PT416]

Man I've really got to handle this better as far as constantly watching news on this. I had a migraine/cluster headache last night and it was the absolute worst I have ever had. The pain and nausea were excruciating and I know it was brought on by anxiety and stress.

Me too.

But it really isn't something to be totally stressed about. Here's why:

America has a population of 327 million. That means for it to even reach 1% of the population, it would have to spread to 32.7 million people. So far in Wuhan the total cases are under 100 thousand. I feel like even if it were to hit 32.7 million people across the US they would have a vaccine by then. And lets say 5% are fatal, that would be a total of 1.6 million deaths. Which is A LOT. Crazy a lot.

But is only 0.004% of the total population.

And that would be the worst case in my opinion because I don't see it reaching 32.7 million people, that's a ridiculously high number. And even if it were to approach numbers that high, I think vaccines will be created by then because it will take a long time to get there.

Bad math bruh!

It's only 0.004 because they aren't testing.

Put on your reading glasses fam. 1.6 MILLION out of 327 million is 0.004%. Do you think 1.6 Million people are going to be dead in the US anytime soon? Also testing has nothing to do with my equation. I'm saying hypothetically even if the virus reaches 32.7 MILLION people, that's still only 1% of the population. And 5% fatalities of that would be 1.6 million which = 0.004%.

Of course I still think that would be a huge number of deaths and it's not like rainbows and butterflies, but for it to even get to 0.004% fatalities / total US population, 32.7 million people would need to catch it.

[Johnny Bball]

Bad math bruh!

It's only 0.004 because they aren't testing.

And because we're at the beginning. As it was said so many times sheer numbers are not that important. Trend is important. 1 month ago there were 3 registered cases in Italy. It took the virus 1 month to 10 000x the number of registered cases.

Though that speed is slowing down as number of cases increase but still. It took 6 days for Italy to double its cases. If that speed is kept, in 30 days there will be 1 million known cases. In another 30 days 32 million people... (And real cases are not always known and lagging a few days behind that...) The same trend is followed in the US.

This... I'm not sure people grasp how spread works when you get into the high thousands. sure doubling from 10 to 20 isn't bad but when you hit 10000 and you double and keep going it adds up quick. look at italy right now.. or even the US the last 3 days

I'm not sure either of you got my point. If they aren't testing there are far more cases than they know or admit and when it does double, it's going to do far more than double if they actually test. So I"m not sure you grasp how much worse it actually is.

[JHTruth]

US mortality rate is currently at 1.5% in total. Still heavily skewed towards old & underlying conditions, WA state care facility. If the top level rate drops to 0.5%, what is the plan then? Full panic still?

Yes because people are stupid sheep. Corona Scam has made it so you cant go to church or Applebees but please by all means go spread your Corona Death all over people's food at Costco. How any thinking person can take this nonsense seriously is beyond me..

Strike 2, derailing a serious topic and calling it "corona scam" without any backups. Repeated offender.

[Ambrose]

Umm it is a big China problem. I honestly could care less for calling it what it is and something needs to be done over there about it before the next one.

PC culture is ridiculous. Take down the borders, travel bans and lets pretend we dont know where it came from cause it might hurt someones feelings and be labeled racist

You aren't stupid tho. You know he's not using that term as information. He's saying it over and over in an attempt to deflect blame anywhere but at himself.

And it absolutely is leading to Asians that had nothing to do with any of it getting needlessly harassed or worse in this country.

It's needless.

I agree that he's using it to deflect blame onto China. I also agree he probably shouldn't have worded it that way.

However, I disagree with everything else you said. First, it is China's fault. There is nothing wrong with him blaming them. They tried to hide this until they couldn't and that hurt everyone. If they hadn't tried to bury it things would likely be better. Second, I don't buy that at all.

[Dollop]

chinese virus'd 10 seconds into the presser. embarrasing

It is a Chinese virus, sorry that offends you.

[Doug_12]

US mortality rate is currently at 1.5% in total. Still heavily skewed towards old & underlying conditions, WA state care facility. If the top level rate drops to 0.5%, what is the plan then? Full panic still?

Then no, no panic and the whole scientific society will be astonished how the US is handling this virus far better than Italy or even Korea. I hope for that scenario but I wouldn't bet high stakes on it.

[Ambrose]

That's for Malaria right?

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Yeah, costs something like 0.10 per pill

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That would be incredible.

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You know somehow we'll screw that up.

[shakes0]

Read on Twitter

I agree 100%!

China needs to wear this forever like a scarlet letter. Not the people, the government. I, for one, can differentiate between the two.

When this is over the world needs to unite against China and force them to join us in the 21st century.

[AdagioPace]

US mortality rate is currently at 1.5% in total. Still heavily skewed towards old & underlying conditions, WA state care facility. If the top level rate drops to 0.5%, what is the plan then? Full panic still?

lower alert, more spreading, more deaths.
Percentages look cute though!

[Sisqo]

And because we're at the beginning. As it was said so many times sheer numbers are not that important. Trend is important. 1 month ago there were 3 registered cases in Italy. It took the virus 1 month to 10 000x the number of registered cases.

Though that speed is slowing down as number of cases increase but still. It took 6 days for Italy to double its cases. If that speed is kept, in 30 days there will be 1 million known cases. In another 30 days 32 million people... (And real cases are not always known and lagging a few days behind that...) The same trend is followed in the US.

This... I'm not sure people grasp how spread works when you get into the high thousands. sure doubling from 10 to 20 isn't bad but when you hit 10000 and you double and keep going it adds up quick. look at italy right now.. or even the US the last 3 days

I'm not sure either of you got my point. If they aren't testing there are far more cases than they know or admit and when it does double, it's going to do far more than double if they actually test. So I"m not sure you grasp how much worse it actually is.

uhh I get your point. If you read my post correctly, i'm saying it's much worst than that.

[MotownMadness]

You aren't stupid tho. You know he's not using that term as information. He's saying it over and over in an attempt to deflect blame anywhere but at himself.

And it absolutely is leading to Asians that had nothing to do with any of it getting needlessly harassed or worse in this country.

It's needless.

Disagree and think it needs to be said. Are there really Chinese being attacked now over here?

Our media is much more worried about politics and putting the blame on Trump then the original problem.

not interested in getting into it on Trump other than to say as the leader of the country and one who was actively working against taking measures early, he absolutely deserves a ton of criticism.

That said, it's clear that someone was able to get through to him and the US Govt seems to be all-in on trying to deal with this now so I'm not going to waste time or energy playing the blame game. There will be time enough once we are through the crisis to identify some issues that contributed to making the issue worse.

And no it doesn't need to be said over and over. Everyone knows where the virus first started spreading. And yes Asians are getting harassed by ignorant people being led by Trump and others continuing with that labeling.

And sorry but that sucks and is needless.

And im sure to you it was also racist and fear mongering early when he put in the china travel ban.

[yannisk]

Man I've really got to handle this better as far as constantly watching news on this. I had a migraine/cluster headache last night and it was the absolute worst I have ever had. The pain and nausea were excruciating and I know it was brought on by anxiety and stress.

Me too.

But it really isn't something to be totally stressed about. Here's why:

America has a population of 327 million. That means for it to even reach 1% of the population, it would have to spread to 32.7 million people. So far in Wuhan the total cases are under 100 thousand. I feel like even if it were to hit 32.7 million people across the US they would have a vaccine by then. And lets say 5% are fatal, that would be a total of 1.6 million deaths. Which is A LOT. Crazy a lot.

But is only 0.004% of the total population.

And that would be the worst case in my opinion because I don't see it reaching 32.7 million people, that's a ridiculously high number. And even if it were to approach numbers that high, I think vaccines will be created by then because it will take a long time to get there.

1% of the population is 3.27 million
1.6 million is 0.489% of the population

but why do you think only 1% will get sick? if you don't check it this virus is so contagious the majority will get sick. Without restrictions the cases double every 3 days so in just 30 days you will have 1000 times the cases you have today. 7.6 million people and 3 days after 15 million and 3 days after 30 million and so on. After some point many people will have recovered from the disease and the cases will stop rising so fast.

if you doubt the rate of increase check it out
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

[OkcSinceSGA]

In my opinion Trump should be calling it Wuhan flu, if he is going to name it after a region like they did with Ebola, Zika, MERS, and the Spanish Flu. we all know that he is saying China specifically to hit them back for the recent conspiracy that the United States planted the virus.

I do think that at this point he needs to bring all Americans together and not alienate Chinese Americans. you can still hold China accountable by calling it Wuhan flu and stressing that it came from China.

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[madmaxmedia]

US mortality rate is currently at 1.5% in total. Still heavily skewed towards old & underlying conditions, WA state care facility. If the top level rate drops to 0.5%, what is the plan then? Full panic still?

The mortality rate is low, AS LONG as the medical care system is not overloaded and can actually give necessary care to all affected. The rate of carriers that have severe symptoms and require hospitalization/medical care is much higher than 1.5%.

It's the social distancing and actions being taken that will hopefully prevent our medical system from being overloaded and keep our mortality rate down. It's not about panic, it's about being smart about all of this.

[Sisqo]

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I agree 100%!

China needs to wear this forever like a scarlet letter. Not the people, the government. I, for one, can differentiate between the two.

When this is over the world needs to unite against China and force them to join us in the 21st century.

Sure then make that clear, but the way this idiot is doing it makes people treat the Chinese people different. Its not the Chinese govt that's getting the backlash right now its their citizens and anyone who looks asian. So even if that's the case maybe have a little bit of understanding of how using that term only makes things worse? He's doing it to make a point because he doesn't back down from ****, its ignorant.

[Ainosterhaspie]

In my opinion Trump should be calling it Wuhan flu, if he is going to name it after a region like they did with Ebola, Zika, MERS, and the Spanish Flu. we all know that he is saying China specifically to hit them back for the recent conspiracy that the United States planted the virus.

I do think that at this point he needs to bring all Americans together and not alienate Chinese Americans. you can still hold China accountable by calling it Wuhan flu and stressing that it came from China.

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I like WuFlu. Simple and has a ring to it.