Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[MotownMadness]

5 people online.. sounds like an assumption

You know damn well its way higher than that.
Either way go about calling it whatever you want, if calling it the Chinese virus is more important to you than reducing the chance of additional stress or pain on the Chinese population than thats your call. i just don't see why its so hard to call it Covid-19 instead. That's my whole point, its easy to call it something else so why not? even if it is 5 people. Just why not?

Too make sure they dont escape the blame

From who? Regular people, our government, the medical community? You think this isn't going stay with us for decades, and NOT going to be a primary priority for study and attention going forward, unless we call it the 'China Virus'?

Take notice going forward on their disgusting eating habits and wet markets in the area that has now killed so may worldwide.

I swear some of you get more upset at Trump calling it a China Virus then the Chinese causing this, lying and trying to blame us.

[Catchall]

I agree with Bill Ackman or whatever his name is. Trump needs to come out ASAP and put this country under quarantine for a month. Have food & supplies delivered to everyone's houses

I disagree. States have already taken measures to create social distancing (closing schools and businesses and telling people to stay home). Now we need to keep ramping up testing and look at some data. The only areas that should consider hard quarantines are hot spots with community spread.

New York has a real problem, imo, because there's really no such thing as social distancing there. If this virus is airborne, then all of these apartment complexes with hundreds of units and central air could become like the Princess cruise ships. If it were up to me, I would have all buildings--apartments and offices--turn off their central air circulation, even if it means reducing work hours or telling people to open windows.

I sure hope you're right...

The situation is just very different depending on where you are. I understand the goal is to prevent the spread, but you can't put 250 sq. miles under military quarantine in every state just because the state has 100 cases or so.

New York, however, might be different -- https://gothamist.com/news/coronavirus-updates-de-blasio-nyc-stimulus-checks

[Dirk]

I'd rather read a diary about MotownMadness' kids crapping themselves than these discussions about calling it China Virus or whatever.

We're going to be all put into quarantine and you're arguing about this stuff... and taking up real estate in this topic, despite post 1 clearly laying out that the topic will be derailed when you engage in that discussion.

[AdagioPace]

There is no "high hospitalization rate". That is abject nonsense. Most carriers either show no or only very mild symptoms.

Every hospital in the bay area most likely has a dozen inpatients at a minimum with or suspected of covid19. Hospitalization rate in Italy is 15-20% (19 last I checked). Look at how badly healthcare systems in multiple countries are being overwhelmed and you are telling me it is not a high hospitalization rate? Wake up.

Lol Italy has 60mm people and around 31000 confirmed cases or .00051% of the population. If that "overwhelms" their healthcare system then their system is pathetic. If a real pandemic ever comes they will become the Walking Dead

I think you have "a bit" of confusion in mind.....or you're probably dangerously "detached" from reality.
1) people are still dying for whatever reason . Diseases didn't stop to let Coronavirus in. With this in mind imagine a Health System that has to face a completely new disease that spreads fast.
2)Countries were obviously not prepared in terms of resources, not only Italy. There's only a tiny number of bed x n. people. Italy has also a demographic problem.
3)where's the logic in your reasoning? what is the right % of people that should get infected for you to be worried about?Are you waiting for the plague to start getting worried?
4) Most importantly, these are not static numbers! As you speak and write people get infected and infect other people.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Lol Italy has 60mm people and around 31000 confirmed cases or .00051% of the population. If that "overwhelms" their healthcare system then their system is pathetic. If a real pandemic ever comes they will become the Walking Dead

What's sad is ours isn't much better. America has 2 beds per 1000 people. Now factor in those already taking the beds who had stroke/cardiac issues? Basically there aren't any open beds. Even now, crackheads/homeless fill our ER's in America and can tax a hospital trying to manage them. So you bet your ass if a couple hundred thousand start flooding ER's we will collapse.

My wife is a nurse. They saw a slight surge a few weeks ago and a sharp decline since. Y'all can stop panicking about our system being "overwhelmed" lol

Your anecdote isn't enough, because there are many cases of the contrary. My wife is Filipina my man. She's a nurse. So are her sisters. Her circle of friends have about 5 nurses, a few NP's and even a couple Dr's. My sister in law is an ER Trauma nurse at Hoag Hospital here in Newport (where Kobe was famously at semi regularly, and his daughters Bianka and Gianna were born). She said they are getting flooded already with a lot of panicked people. Thing is in America, we are still 15-20 days from the start of the peak. We aren't there yet. When it happens, it will happen fast. Even now if you go to an ER in So Cal it's a 4-5 hour wait unless you have cardiac/stroke symptoms.

At this point our opinions mean little. All you need to do is use math and a little logic. There are almost no available beds. There is a huge shortage in Dr's and Nurses.

[MotownMadness]

5 people online.. sounds like an assumption

You know damn well its way higher than that.
Either way go about calling it whatever you want, if calling it the Chinese virus is more important to you than reducing the chance of additional stress or pain on the Chinese population than thats your call. i just don't see why its so hard to call it Covid-19 instead. That's my whole point, its easy to call it something else so why not? even if it is 5 people. Just why not?

Too make sure they dont escape the blame

Yea because without calling it that right now we are going to totally forget where it came from 3 months from now. Makes complete sense... lol come on.

of course the ignorant masses will when the media will focus on how to blame Trump and pander for votes over calling out China with their air time instead.

Alot of people arent stupid to how this whole politic and media thing works at this point.

[Bandit King]

I'm still waiting for the goverment to pass that bill for that $1000 check we suppose to get in the mail.

[MotownMadness]

I'd rather read a diary about MotownMadness' kids crapping themselves than these discussions about calling it China Virus or whatever.

Its a crappy story to tell you the truth

[Ambrose]

That's a poor assumption because they are two different things.

No one is debating where it came from, the point is Trump has a lot of people who hang on his every word who might not be the most intelligent and get that he's referring to where it came from. They are going to treat Chinese people differently. S regardless of it being true that it came from China, he could reduce some of that hate by just calling it Covid-19. It's his arrogance that will stop him from doing it.

How can you mention poor assumptions and then assume the bolded? Just because 5 people post something online doesn't make it a legitimate issue.

5 people online.. sounds like an assumption

You know damn well its way higher than that.
Either way go about calling it whatever you want, if calling it the Chinese virus is more important to you than reducing the chance of additional stress or pain on the Chinese population than thats your call. i just don't see why its so hard to call it Covid-19 instead. That's my whole point, its easy to call it something else so why not? even if it is 5 people. Just why not?

I don't know it's higher than that. It's another baseless claim like so many in this thread and the past one. There was an article posted in the previous thread that's entire title was a complete lie. Yet it was believed because no one bothered to read the actual article. Fake news, real believers, and that's an issue.

As far as calling it the China virus, I already said he should've worded it differently. He didn't. It's clear he is not using it in a racist manor but as retaliation towards China for their claim. Again, I think he should've worded differently but no one should waste their time caring about it and move on.

You did catch me in an assumption though

[Catchall]

BTW, the use of Navy hospital ships is a great idea, imo, both for increasing hospital bed capacity and for isolating patients.

[Ambrose]

I'm still waiting for the goverment to pass that bill for that $1000 check we suppose to get in the mail.

I've heard they may bump it to two $1,000 checks

[MotownMadness]

I'm still waiting for the goverment to pass that bill for that $1000 check we suppose to get in the mail.

They just garnished my whole income tax of 10 grand over a student loan. Like WTF man, i dont need that right now or anything.

Im so aggravated and was needing that

[gavran]

To the people blasting Trump for calling it the "Chinese Virus", I don't ever want to hear you say "Spanish Flu" ever again. Don't be a hypocrite.

Not the same thing.

[GTR11]

Man made as in butchering up exotic animals together caged on top of each other with human contact?

They ate them for generations. Their people went through a lot of starving throughout their history, some human cannibalism been reported as well.
Also it's not like other nations don't eat exotic and dirty animals.

So your telling me nothing happens if you cut up a virus filled bat with your bare hands and get it in a cut or wipe its blood on your mouth as a daily job in a market.

Not to mention every other exotic animal thats never been around each other suddenly caged together sharing urine, **** and blood

Someone like me probably going to die on a spot, I don't even eat pork. My thing is, how come it's started now. Why not generations ago when they started it.

[Optimus_Steel]

What's sad is ours isn't much better. America has 2 beds per 1000 people. Now factor in those already taking the beds who had stroke/cardiac issues? Basically there aren't any open beds. Even now, crackheads/homeless fill our ER's in America and can tax a hospital trying to manage them. So you bet your ass if a couple hundred thousand start flooding ER's we will collapse.

My wife is a nurse. They saw a slight surge a few weeks ago and a sharp decline since. Y'all can stop panicking about our system being "overwhelmed" lol

Your anecdote isn't enough, because there are many cases of the contrary. My wife is Filipina my man. She's a nurse. So are her sisters. Her circle of friends have about 5 nurses, a few NP's and even a couple Dr's. My sister in law is an ER Trauma nurse at Hoag Hospital here in Newport (where Kobe was famously at semi regularly, and his daughters Bianka and Gianna were born). She said they are getting flooded already with a lot of panicked people. Thing is in America, we are still 15-20 days from the start of the peak. We aren't there yet. When it happens, it will happen fast. Even now if you go to an ER in So Cal it's a 4-5 hour wait unless you have cardiac/stroke symptoms.

At this point our opinions mean little. All you need to do is use math and a little logic. There are almost no available beds. There is a huge shortage in Dr's and Nurses.

Interesting point about the shortages in Dr's and nurses. Just a week or two ago Trump was saying that they can just hire Dr's if they need them, just like that. Implying that they are out there just waiting to be summoned. Reminded me of the old stereotype of the immigrant workers waiting in front of Home Depot waiting to get picked for odd construction jobs. Yea it doesn't work that way in the medical field....

Not only do we have a shortage of medical professionals, those people are in the front lines battling the illness while they put themselves at risk of the disease, some have already caught it as they treat patients.

[Ambrose]

They ate them for generations. Their people went through a lot of starving throughout their history, some human cannibalism been reported as well.
Also it's not like other nations don't eat exotic and dirty animals.

So your telling me nothing happens if you cut up a virus filled bat with your bare hands and get it in a cut or wipe its blood on your mouth as a daily job in a market.

Not to mention every other exotic animal thats never been around each other suddenly caged together sharing urine, **** and blood

Someone like me probably going to die on a spot, I don't even eat pork. My thing is, how come it's started now. Why not generations ago when they started it.

Coronaviruses have been around since at least the 60's. This is a new strain.

[MotownMadness]

They ate them for generations. Their people went through a lot of starving throughout their history, some human cannibalism been reported as well.
Also it's not like other nations don't eat exotic and dirty animals.

So your telling me nothing happens if you cut up a virus filled bat with your bare hands and get it in a cut or wipe its blood on your mouth as a daily job in a market.

Not to mention every other exotic animal thats never been around each other suddenly caged together sharing urine, **** and blood

Someone like me probably going to die on a spot, I don't even eat pork. My thing is, how come it's started now. Why not generations ago when they started it.

[Catchall]

5 people online.. sounds like an assumption

You know damn well its way higher than that.
Either way go about calling it whatever you want, if calling it the Chinese virus is more important to you than reducing the chance of additional stress or pain on the Chinese population than thats your call. i just don't see why its so hard to call it Covid-19 instead. That's my whole point, its easy to call it something else so why not? even if it is 5 people. Just why not?

Too make sure they dont escape the blame

My Japanese American friend was spit on two nights ago leaving a bar. He left because two pricks were jeering at him throughout the night. It is absolutely happening, and on a wide scale, because people like you, sir, insist even in this crazy time that your casual racism toward a few billion Asians trumps any logic to call the sickness the term the entire health world is using.

The rest of my opinions will be purely audio, but I welcome you to use your imagination.

I think it might be better to call it the Wuhan Flu rather than implicate all of China or Chinese people by calling it the Chinese Flu. Also, despite the Chinese government's news suppression, Wuhan is still the global epicenter of this virus. People should be aware of this.

[HotRocks34]

Two more things from the task force press conference.

Birx was asked if the CVirus is seasonal (goes away more when it gets warmer). She implied she thinks it may be and hopes it is, as other RNA-type viruses (as CVirus is) usually peak in winter. But she also said that this disease started later in the season (in the USA), and so that could distort (lengthen) the curve whereas a normal flu curve might run from Nov to April

Birx was also asked about hydroxychloriquine or whatever the name is. Supposedly good effect on CVirus. She said it remains to be seen, and seemed somewhat skeptical about it (if also hopeful it could help).

[Bandit King]

WuTangFlu