Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[MotownMadness]

They ate them for generations. Their people went through a lot of starving throughout their history, some human cannibalism been reported as well.
Also it's not like other nations don't eat exotic and dirty animals.

So your telling me nothing happens if you cut up a virus filled bat with your bare hands and get it in a cut or wipe its blood on your mouth as a daily job in a market.

Not to mention every other exotic animal thats never been around each other suddenly caged together sharing urine, **** and blood

Someone like me probably going to die on a spot, I don't even eat pork. My thing is, how come it's started now. Why not generations ago when they started it.

Dont really have a answer for that. Just alot of things gone wrong from trying to cover it up to catching a insanely contagious one this time? Im sure theres lots of mess ups that dug us this deep.

But they pretty much know the market it came from in Wuhan

[Xpressure]

COVID-19 has mutated into more Aggressive Virus: COVID-19 type L

https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463?searchresult=1

The new coronavirus, like all other viruses, mutates, or undergoes small changes in its genome. A recently published study suggested that the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, had already mutated into one more and one less aggressive strain. But experts aren't convinced.

In the study, a group of researchers in China analyzed the genomes of coronaviruses taken from 103 patients with COVID-19, the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, in Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak. The team found differences in the genomes, which they said could be categorized into two "strains" of the coronavirus: the "L" type and the "S" type, the researchers wrote in the study, which was published Tuesday (March 3) in the journal National Science Review.

The researchers found the "L" type, which they deemed the more aggressive type, in 70% of the virus samples. They also found that the prevalence of this strain decreased after early January. The more commonly found type today is the older, "S" type, because "human intervention" such as quarantines may have reduced the ability of the "L" type to spread, researchers wrote in the paper.

[Catchall]

To the people blasting Trump for calling it the "Chinese Virus", I don't ever want to hear you say "Spanish Flu" ever again. Don't be a hypocrite.

Not the same thing.

Technically it is the same thing, but the Spanish Flu pandemic was three generations ago, so people aren't as sensitive about it.

[madmaxmedia]

Too make sure they dont escape the blame

From who? Regular people, our government, the medical community? You think this isn't going stay with us for decades, and NOT going to be a primary priority for study and attention going forward, unless we call it the 'China Virus'?

Take notice going forward on their disgusting eating habits and wet markets in the area that has now killed so may worldwide.

I swear some of you get more upset at Trump calling it a China Virus then the Chinese causing this, lying and trying to blame us.

Keeping this on topic, yes the practice of wild animal markets must stop (China has banned it, we'll see what happens going forward as far as enforcement, black market activity goes, etc.)

But what is disgusting eating habits? Hunting and eating wild animals in general? Is fishing bad too? I'm not trying to justify anyone's actions, but any rational discussion needs to be specific and clear. We're not going to prevent the hunting of wild animals worldwide, because many rural people worldwide still depend on it for their daily living. But we need to really study all of this, and figure out what are the risky behaviors we need to curb or eliminate (starting with the wild animal markets), and which are generally going to be safe. (and yes, this should have been done before with SARS, but we've also had viruses originate and spread from other countries too.)

Keep in mind there is a difference between 'wet market' and the wild animal markets in which the virus likely started. 'Wet market' means any market where food and perishables are sold, including your neighborhood farmer's market, numerous markets around the world, etc.

I was only responding to your comment about proper attention, to say that there's no way proper attention won't be put on all aspects of this going forward, that's all. I'm not getting into anything political or off-topic about it. It goes with saying that any disinformation from any country in this time of crisis is unjustifiable (including some actions taken by local and nation Chinese government, especially early in the spread of the virus.)

[mademan]

To the people blasting Trump for calling it the "Chinese Virus", I don't ever want to hear you say "Spanish Flu" ever again. Don't be a hypocrite.

Not the same thing.

Ofc. One is normalized, the other is politicized.


People are dying, the economy is crashing and we're in a reallllly uncertain posiiton. Short of twitter fingers, nobody gaf if he calls it the chinese virus.

[Texas Chuck]

To the people blasting Trump for calling it the "Chinese Virus", I don't ever want to hear you say "Spanish Flu" ever again. Don't be a hypocrite.

Don't use false equivilence.

if you can't explain what the difference is I would appreciate it

I'm going to be blunt. If you don't get it me explaining it to you very likely isn't going to help.

My guess is that you do get it, but are either wanting to be contrarian or wanting to defend Trump. I'm guessing your issue is not one of ignorance but rather wanting to play a silly game here.


But to help you out just a bit:

Do you think Spanish Americans would get blamed for a century old pandemic if I mentioned it to my history students today? Would they face persecution in the streets?

Or how about this:

in 2122, feel free to talk about this now historical event as the Chinese virus.

[PT416]

Man I've really got to handle this better as far as constantly watching news on this. I had a migraine/cluster headache last night and it was the absolute worst I have ever had. The pain and nausea were excruciating and I know it was brought on by anxiety and stress.

Me too.

But it really isn't something to be totally stressed about. Here's why:

America has a population of 327 million. That means for it to even reach 1% of the population, it would have to spread to 32.7 million people. So far in Wuhan the total cases are under 100 thousand. I feel like even if it were to hit 32.7 million people across the US they would have a vaccine by then. And lets say 5% are fatal, that would be a total of 1.6 million deaths. Which is A LOT. Crazy a lot.

But is only 0.004% of the total population.

And that would be the worst case in my opinion because I don't see it reaching 32.7 million people, that's a ridiculously high number. And even if it were to approach numbers that high, I think vaccines will be created by then because it will take a long time to get there.

1% of the population is 3.27 million
1.6 million is 0.489% of the population

but why do you think only 1% will get sick? if you don't check it this virus is so contagious the majority will get sick. Without restrictions the cases double every 3 days so in just 30 days you will have 1000 times the cases you have today. 7.6 million people and 3 days after 15 million and 3 days after 30 million and so on. After some point many people will have recovered from the disease and the cases will stop rising so fast.

if you doubt the rate of increase check it out
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

oh crap. i totally carried an extra 0. im an idiot. damn.

Bad math bruh!

It's only 0.004 because they aren't testing.

Put on your reading glasses fam. 1.6 MILLION out of 327 million is 0.004%. Do you think 1.6 Million people are going to be dead in the US anytime soon? Also testing has nothing to do with my equation. I'm saying hypothetically even if the virus reaches 32.7 MILLION people, that's still only 1% of the population. And 5% fatalities of that would be 1.6 million which = 0.004%.

Of course I still think that would be a huge number of deaths and it's not like rainbows and butterflies, but for it to even get to 0.004% fatalities / total US population, 32.7 million people would need to catch it.

32.7 mil is 10% of the population bud. My reading glasses are on.

As for testing, well, maybe it was unrelated...their numbers are way off and artificially low is all I mean. You will see a real rise more than doubling numbers in the coming week when they start testing properly. If they ever start testing people properly, instead of just quarantining anyone with symptoms without testing.

Yeah I'm an idiot.

[madmaxmedia]

I'd rather read a diary about MotownMadness' kids crapping themselves than these discussions about calling it China Virus or whatever.

Its a crappy story to tell you the truth

At least they have different symptoms than for COVID (thankfully!) Stay safe and best wishes for your family.

[Texas Chuck]

To the people blasting Trump for calling it the "Chinese Virus", I don't ever want to hear you say "Spanish Flu" ever again. Don't be a hypocrite.

Not the same thing.

Ofc. One is normalized, the other is politicized.


People are dying, the economy is crashing and we're in a reallllly uncertain posiiton. Short of twitter fingers, nobody gaf if he calls it the chinese virus.

The Asian people being attacked and harassed care. Thus I care.

What you mean is, this doesn't impact me personally so I don't care.

[MotownMadness]

From who? Regular people, our government, the medical community? You think this isn't going stay with us for decades, and NOT going to be a primary priority for study and attention going forward, unless we call it the 'China Virus'?

Take notice going forward on their disgusting eating habits and wet markets in the area that has now killed so may worldwide.

I swear some of you get more upset at Trump calling it a China Virus then the Chinese causing this, lying and trying to blame us.

Keeping this on topic, yes the practice of wild animal markets must stop (China has banned it, we'll see what happens going forward as far as enforcement, black market activity goes, etc.)

But what is disgusting eating habits? Hunting and eating wild animals in general? Is fishing bad too? I'm not trying to justify anyone's actions, but any rational discussion needs to be specific and clear. We're not going to prevent the hunting of wild animals worldwide, because many rural people worldwide still depend on it for their daily living. But we need to really study all of this, and figure out what are the risky behaviors we need to curb or eliminate (starting with the wild animal markets), and which are generally going to be safe. (and yes, this should have been done before with SARS, but we've also had viruses originate and spread from other countries too.)

Keep in mind there is a difference between 'wet market' and the wild animal markets in which the virus likely started. 'Wet market' means any market where food and perishables are sold, including your neighborhood farmer's market, numerous markets around the world, etc.

I was only responding to your comment about proper attention, to say that there's no way proper attention won't be put on all aspects of this going forward, that's all. I'm not getting into anything political or off-topic about it. It goes with saying that any disinformation from any country in this time of crisis is unjustifiable (including some actions taken by local and nation Chinese government, especially early in the spread of the virus.)

This is what their public wet market animal eating looks like in Wuhan

Watch on YouTube

[gavran]

To the people blasting Trump for calling it the "Chinese Virus", I don't ever want to hear you say "Spanish Flu" ever again. Don't be a hypocrite.

Not the same thing.

Technically it is the same thing, but the Spanish Flu pandemic was three generations ago, so people aren't as sensitive about it.

Techically it's not the same thing, and the generational difference does not change that.

The Spanish flu is called Spanish, because the Spanish media was the one that started reporting on it, while other countries' media was preoccupied with something else. Theresfore it has no negative connotation to Spain. The Chinese Virus, while 100% true, does.

[HotRocks34]

New York is blowing up

Read on Twitter

That 1000 bed medical ship should help out in the short term. Hopefully the Army Corps Of Engineers (convert existing buildings to hospital-type spaces) and the Department Of Defense (field hospitals) are ready to roll. Exponential growth is in effect, even if some of this positive test "explosion" could be backlog (as explained by Birx in press conference today; see my post on it above) coming loose now.

This is what the medical ship looks like:




Think it's like a converted destroyer. USA has 2 of them.

[Richfield]

All 3 of my kids have been puking and crapping themselves for the last 24 hours. When it rains it pours

I hope they get well soon, and stop reading your posts.

[ROballer]

Did a very conservative calculus of what the numbers might look like in a month, based on the percentage of newly infected over the previous day(started on March 1).

Very conservative, already my numbers for today(March 18) were surpassed, the % spike was higher from March 17 to 18 than the average difference between days for the whole month.

And that's a trend unfortunately, there were only a couple of days this month in which the % over the previous day slightly dropped.
We're talking bigger and bigger numbers by the day, even if the % stall it's gonna be massive(around 8% more cases daily, than the day before. We started the month at 2-3%).

So by my math, we should be getting to around 800k by the end of the month. Around 4 million by April the 14th.
That's if the spread doesn't surpass 12.5% over the previous day, which at this rate it's not happening. It's gonna be higher unfortunately.

In the second part of April we're talking close if not more than 1 million cases globally per day if this thing doesn't turn around.

[Trader_Joe]

What I've heard about the name of the Spanish was flu, was that Spain was one of the few countries to openly report their cases and not cover it up, or their media to be blacked out like so many countries in the War.

As the pandemic reached epic proportions in the fall of 1918, it became commonly known as the “Spanish Flu” or the “Spanish Lady” in the United States and Europe. Many assumed this was because the sickness had originated on the Iberian Peninsula, but the nickname was actually the result of a widespread misunderstanding. Spain was one of only a few major European countries to remain neutral during World War I. Unlike in the Allied and Central Powers nations, where wartime censors suppressed news of the flu to avoid affecting morale, the Spanish media was free to report on it in gory detail. News of the sickness first made headlines in Madrid in late-May 1918, and coverage only increased after the Spanish King Alfonso XIII came down with a nasty case a week later. Since nations undergoing a media blackout could only read in depth accounts from Spanish news sources, they naturally assumed that the country was the pandemic’s ground zero. The Spanish, meanwhile, believed the virus had spread to them from France, so they took to calling it the “French Flu.”

While it’s unlikely that the “Spanish Flu” originated in Spain, scientists are still unsure of its source. France, China and Britain have all been suggested as the potential birthplace of the virus, as has the United States, where the first known case was reported at a military base in Kansas on March 11, 1918. Researchers have also conducted extensive studies on the remains of victims of the pandemic, but they have yet to discover why the strain that ravaged the world in 1918 was so lethal.

https://www.history.com/news/why-was-it-called-the-spanish-flu

Meanwhile it doesn't matter where it came from.
It's here and it impacts everyone, regardless of ethnicity or nationality.

Trump is doing no favor to anyone with what he is doing, but his defense is.. "well, they did it first, saying we sent it"
I love how 2 wrongs make a right in his childish mind. Meanwhile, why so defensive? Almost makes us look like we're hiding something.

[MotownMadness]

All 3 of my kids have been puking and crapping themselves for the last 24 hours. When it rains it pours

I hope they get well soon, and stop reading your posts.

.

And i hope you find a simple way to not respond and just stop reading my post

[Ambrose]

COVID-19 has mutated into more Aggressive Virus: COVID-19 type L

https://academic.oup.com/nsr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/nsr/nwaa036/5775463?searchresult=1

The new coronavirus, like all other viruses, mutates, or undergoes small changes in its genome. A recently published study suggested that the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, had already mutated into one more and one less aggressive strain. But experts aren't convinced.

In the study, a group of researchers in China analyzed the genomes of coronaviruses taken from 103 patients with COVID-19, the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, in Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak. The team found differences in the genomes, which they said could be categorized into two "strains" of the coronavirus: the "L" type and the "S" type, the researchers wrote in the study, which was published Tuesday (March 3) in the journal National Science Review.

The researchers found the "L" type, which they deemed the more aggressive type, in 70% of the virus samples. They also found that the prevalence of this strain decreased after early January. The more commonly found type today is the older, "S" type, because "human intervention" such as quarantines may have reduced the ability of the "L" type to spread, researchers wrote in the paper.

So the L type prevalence has decreased. Whether by luck or legitimate action that's good news.

[Ayt]

Trump knew what he was doing with the Chinese Virus stuff. There is a reason he didn't refer to it that way once on twitter until the 16th, which is the same day he held the press conference and talked about the quarantine and finally somewhat acknowledged how serious this is.

He wanted to create a distraction and he has.

[mademan]

Not the same thing.

Ofc. One is normalized, the other is politicized.


People are dying, the economy is crashing and we're in a reallllly uncertain posiiton. Short of twitter fingers, nobody gaf if he calls it the chinese virus.

The Asian people being attacked and harassed care. Thus I care.

What you mean is, this doesn't impact me personally so I don't care.

Shocker, there are racists in the US. Let's continue to talk about the correct nomenclature of a virus that literally everybody knows is from China rather than effects of the virus.

I more than suspect that people angry at Trump calling it that are just politicizing it. Many, many conditions are given a laymen name that has something to do with it's providence. Miss me with this chit. Ya'll tryna win political points at a time when the entire economy is falling apart and we're in danger of entering a depression

[ItsDanger]

US mortality rate is currently at 1.5% in total. Still heavily skewed towards old & underlying conditions, WA state care facility. If the top level rate drops to 0.5%, what is the plan then? Full panic still?

Absolutely yes, because if 50% of Americans get infected, that means 825,000 deaths.

WTF do the numbers of dead have to reach insane levels for people to think it's worth taking action!?

Less action = likelihood of higher rate. The mortality rate is not baked into the virus, it is absolutely decided by the response to it, and ability to provide care. It could have been less than 0.5% if immediate shutdown happened like 10 days ago. That is no longer likely or even possible, unless some of these modified Malaria or HIV treatments work at high rates.

Its a major factor because people die of the flu every year and most people do not care. The mortality rate should be a key component of any decision regarding action here.