Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[ItsDanger]

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Reuters has slowly morphed into another propaganda outlet. South Korea learned lessons from SARS as did several Asian nations. US was not significantly impacted at the time. Its sad that people bash the US basically at all times now, but I have faith in leaders across the country will deliver.

[chrismikayla]

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I never would have guessed S. Korea would be more advanced than the US when it comes to things like this but here we are. It's like we're the 3rd world country

[Sisqo]

"If we knew something we could have done something about it". lol wow

[Ayt]

We should have stopped/ prevented this virus when we had the 1st reported case in the USA to immediately get that person in quarantine and immediately shut down traveling, shutting down large events, gatherings, etc. So since the USA got too long to respond, Now the USA has to learn the HARD WAY.

With hindsight, that is very easy to say. On the flip side, then the complaint and hindsight seekers would be saying, "We shut down the country too early and ruined the economy, spread mass panic, and did so before 'professionals/experts' said to do so."

Really no win, no correct answer scenario for an unprecedented time in world history.

Exactly. It’s only after everyone sees how people are affected regardless that they can see why certain measures are probably better than others, but NOT before. Elected officials have so many competing interests in their ears—there was NO WAY any of them were going to put in the measures we see now back then because nobody would accept them without seeeing a clear and present grave danger before them. All leaders were in zugzwang at the time.

For many in the U.S., the closures of services once thought impossible a few weeks ago are now a reality, and people are talking with the help of foresight. At the time of the first cases, nobody would have thought a few months later that schools and gyms and bars would be closed down. Next time, people WILL be ready for immediate actions just like countries in the past with relatively little scientific knowledge compared to today better handled plague outbreaks.

This is some seriously sad excuse making.

[chrismikayla]

Atlanta mayor is trying to stop the spread of coronavirus. Hopefully it's not too late. She ordered all restaurants take out or delivery only. All bars that do not serve food must close. Movie theaters, bowling alleys, gyms, clubs, etc. must all shut down.

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/news/2020/03/19/coronavirus-atlanta-restaurants-delivery-takeout.html?iana=hpmvp_atl_news_headline

[Richfield]

This will be a hell of a history class 50-100 years from now

This will be 2 hells of 2 different history classes 50-100 years from now, depending which part of the United States you live in.

As is with history classes now. This country is divided.

"Civil War" vs "The War of Northern Aggression".

Unfortunately.

[Xpressure]

US just reported 1551 new cases today and jumped South Korea and France up the list of most new cases per country.

Yesterday we were 8th in the list, today we're 6th.

[bondom34]

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Reuters has slowly morphed into another propaganda outlet. South Korea learned lessons from SARS as did several Asian nations. US was not significantly impacted at the time. Its sad that people bash the US basically at all times now, but I have faith in leaders across the country will deliver.

I always find it odd that any negative news is always "propaganda" or fake news. Never understood that idea.

[Optimus_Steel]

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Reuters has slowly morphed into another propaganda outlet. South Korea learned lessons from SARS as did several Asian nations. US was not significantly impacted at the time. Its sad that people bash the US basically at all times now, but I have faith in leaders across the country will deliver.

I always find it odd that any negative news is always "propaganda" or fake news. Never understood that idea.

Its not about facts, its about feelings. This story hurts my feelings so fake news.

[Richfield]

US just reported 1551 new cases today and jumped South Korea and France up the list of most new cases per country.

Yesterday we were 8th in the list, today we're 6th.

Save some forehead for tomorrow. With the slow response, we've got a long way to go.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Fresno right now has only a handful of cases. The city shut down non-essential business activity. Essential business is an extensive list though. Social distancing is required. The mayor definitely acted early in the process so we shouldn't see the high growth rate that has been seen other places.

If anything, this may have come too early. There is probably a sweet spot for when to enact the strict social distancing so that the virus can spread enough to start creating communal resistance, but not so fast that the system is overwhelmed. Shut down too early and it may lengthen the downtime too much.

[Sisqo]

US just reported 1551 new cases today and jumped South Korea and France up the list of most new cases per country.

Yesterday we were 8th in the list, today we're 6th.

Save some forehead for tomorrow. With the slow response, we've got a long way to go.

Haha sorry but that made me laugh.
But i think your right, its going to be a long road i think.

[Zenzibar]

Cuomo is another lawyer who is unqualified for his position. Lawyers are trained in debate and case law. Stop electing lawyers. Get experienced professionals with industry exposure. Guys like this get abused.

Stop it. You're have a preconception but not listening to Cuomo's communication. Almost every president ever elected was a lawyer cause they have a handle on regulations and laws.

You already have someone with industry experience in office and who can't communicate the information during this crisis was well as Cuomo is doing.

I'd say you're both wrong to a degree. For starters a guy who's experience is in reality tv and hotels is hardly "industry" by any normal measures. We absolutely do have too many lawyers in office and it very much hurts us when it comes time to listen to scientists and engineers and yes even real business professionals/bankers. We very much need a good blend of backgrounds and experiences in leadership at the government level. Nobody has the education to fully run a country without leaning heavily on experts but different back grounds help with when to listen and not listen or more importantly what advice they give to take.

And lets be blunt, every leader in the world right now is in over their head...this mess is unlike anything any of us have handled.

But just comparing both Gov. Cuomo's and Trump's pressers, I'd say Gov. Cuomo was more succinct and coherent. The Oval Office started with news on a prisoner release, really? Who gives a fk other than his immediate family and friends.
Meanwhile we have a pandemic on our hands, affecting billions of people on Earth.

Wrap your head around that for just one second, not minute, just one second.

[GordanFreeman]

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Reuters has slowly morphed into another propaganda outlet. South Korea learned lessons from SARS as did several Asian nations. US was not significantly impacted at the time. Its sad that people bash the US basically at all times now, but I have faith in leaders across the country will deliver.

So anyone that rightly criticizing a country's/president's stupid decisions is labeled a propaganda outlet? Let me guess, Fox News and 2 or 3 other news outlets aren't fake news eh?

[NirvanaFC]

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They just spent over a trillion on the stimulus bill but wouldn't spend a few hundred millions on critical medical supplies... WTF is this logic?

[Doug_12]

We should have stopped/ prevented this virus when we had the 1st reported case in the USA to immediately get that person in quarantine and immediately shut down traveling, shutting down large events, gatherings, etc. So since the USA got too long to respond, Now the USA has to learn the HARD WAY.

How do you know it's enough? How do you know that you shouldn't order a complete lockdown? The question is a bit provocative but not that much:

Italy did what you said with a complete region and it was not enough. Because a lot of people already traveled to other parts of the country where those things were not forbidden. However China effectively managed the situation w/ the same measures used for the big cities. South Korea also didn't ban travel completely.

So it is really hard to tell what the appropriate measures are. What seems to be important is to know where your infected people are so that you can track them and isolate early on (and you can let this know to other people so that they can test/isolate themselves if they were in a dangerous place). That works w/ testing only and w/ a large group of people working for institutes like CDC. I think WHO has a huge responsibility on this being exploded: Their protocol of testing was flawed and left the majority of the people untested. And that protocol was followed by most of the EU countries (and I believe US as well).

[OkcSinceSGA]

I'm with the Dems here sadly. If the trillion dollar bailout is going to just basically keep employers afloat, while they cut their employee count down to almost nothing, we shouldn't fund them. It will end up basically being 100% stock buys and laying off everyone.

[Optimus_Steel]

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They just spent over a trillion on the stimulus bill but wouldn't spend a few hundred millions on critical medical supplies... WTF is this logic?

Good Lord....what did he say the other "I'm not responsible"...

[Pharmcat]

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Reuters has slowly morphed into another propaganda outlet. South Korea learned lessons from SARS as did several Asian nations. US was not significantly impacted at the time. Its sad that people bash the US basically at all times now, but I have faith in leaders across the country will deliver.

But it's true ? We had time to prepare but the federal govt didnt

[Ayt]

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They just spent over a trillion on the stimulus bill but wouldn't spend a few hundred millions on critical medical supplies... WTF is this logic?

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