Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[Fairview4Life]

A government like China has a much easier time forcing it's people to do what they want than say America.

"A government like China" doesn't explain how South Korea, which had their first confirmed case on the exact same day as the US, was able to accomplish much more. It requires competence, not authoritarianism.

[tondi123]

GOP plan of last few months

-discourage panic while they panic sell their stocks off in private

-kill off poor people by allowing the ones who can't work from home to keep going to work making them at higher risk of contraction

-blame it on Chinese while they enrich themselves, pretend there was nothing they could have done

-delay testing so that people in big cities, non-red voting places, would die at the highest rates (live closest together). People be a are that not enough tests affects big cities hardest

-call it a 'war' eventually, knowing wartime presidents are usually re-elected, "could last 18 months (on purpose)", right through the election.
They knew this was coming, Wilbur Ross knew some people could get rich, and others would lose out. The delay was intentional.

And when we said he's Hitler people laughed it off. When they killed off some of the Mexicans at the boarder, that wasn't enough for you. Now they're doing this sneak genocide while enriching themselves. You're still gonna vote for Hitler?

Whether this thing started in China might still be up for debate. At this point I'm beginning to trust their govt more than my own. All the evidence is on the table, including throughout these threads on the topic.

This is not what your ancestors fought for.

Internet anonymity is your friend.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Is it just me or does it seem a little selfish of these basketball players going to social media and taking headlines about how they’re infected yet every single one of them is feeling completely fine. Seems like Twitter is more obsessed with Marcus smart having the virus than the hundreds dying day after day.

Also don’t get me started on the celebrities making stupid videos cause we’re all in this together


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Use them as a jumping off point for awareness that you can carry and spread even if you are feeling fine and have no symptoms. They can and should be helping by putting that message out and if they don't, you can use their example to spread that message.

[rugbyrugger23]

GOP plan of last few months

-discourage panic while they panic sell their stocks off in private

-kill off poor people by allowing the ones who can't work from home to keep going to work making them at higher risk of contraction

-blame it on Chinese while they enrich themselves, pretend there was nothing they could have done

-delay testing so that people in big cities, non-red voting places, would die at the highest rates (live closest together). People be a are that not enough tests affects big cities hardest

-call it a 'war' eventually, knowing wartime presidents are usually re-elected, "could last 18 months (on purpose)", right through the election.
They knew this was coming, Wilbur Ross knew some people could get rich, and others would lose out. The delay was intentional.

And when we said he's Hitler people laughed it off. When they killed off some of the Mexicans at the boarder, that wasn't enough for you. Now they're doing this sneak genocide while enriching themselves. You're still gonna vote for Hitler?

Whether this thing started in China might still be up for debate. At this point I'm beginning to trust their govt more than my own. All the evidence is on the table, including throughout these threads on the topic.

This is not what your ancestors fought for.

cynical much?

Cynical and should be banned. Cool off period needed.

[Badonkadonk]

GOP plan of last few months

-discourage panic while they panic sell their stocks off in private

-kill off poor people by allowing the ones who can't work from home to keep going to work making them at higher risk of contraction

-blame it on Chinese while they enrich themselves, pretend there was nothing they could have done

-delay testing so that people in big cities, non-red voting places, would die at the highest rates (live closest together). People be a are that not enough tests affects big cities hardest

-call it a 'war' eventually, knowing wartime presidents are usually re-elected, "could last 18 months (on purpose)", right through the election.
They knew this was coming, Wilbur Ross knew some people could get rich, and others would lose out. The delay was intentional.

And when we said he's Hitler people laughed it off. When they killed off some of the Mexicans at the boarder, that wasn't enough for you. Now they're doing this sneak genocide while enriching themselves. You're still gonna vote for Hitler?

Whether this thing started in China might still be up for debate. At this point I'm beginning to trust their govt more than my own. All the evidence is on the table, including throughout these threads on the topic.

This is not what your ancestors fought for.

cynical much?

The first bullet has already played out.

Read on Twitter

?s=20

That Senator also voted AGAINST more stringent insider trading regulations.

You can always count on greed as a strong human motivator, that's not cynicism, that's reality. The current administration loves its wealthy elite.

edit - not speaking to the rest, some of that stuff is pretty tin-foil-hatty

[Nuntius]

Can't. My mind is WAY too active. If I stop posting here I'll keep reading and researching hours a day anyway.

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Try meditation, start watching a sitcom, whatever, but don't let yourself always thinking about this. I know it's hard, but it's way better.

Moreover: Most models say 60-70% of the population will be infected. Based on your posts you seem to be in the 30-40% that won't…

I distract myself playing with my daughter+ playing video games. Work is so dead though that I have endless hours of downtime. Which I use pretty much purely researching this pandemic.

The sitcom idea is quite good. Something that's just silly fun can help a lot. Our minds need this peace and quiet in crucial times like this one.

[chrismikayla]

I see that certain places out of the USA sell Chloroquine online. The prices should spike through the roof soon. Dangerous to take without a doctor's supervision but some people will get desperate.

[Richfield]

Is it just me or does it seem a little selfish of these basketball players going to social media and taking headlines about how they’re infected yet every single one of them is feeling completely fine. Seems like Twitter is more obsessed with Marcus smart having the virus than th e hundreds dying day after day.

Also don’t get me started on the celebrities making stupid videos cause we’re all in this together


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It's just you.

[Ainosterhaspie]

A government like China has a much easier time forcing it's people to do what they want than say America.

"A government like China" doesn't explain how South Korea, which had their first confirmed case on the exact same day as the US, was able to accomplish much more. It requires competence, not authoritarianism.

I made a longer post about this earlier in the thread, but the condensed version is that their society tolerates things we don't and consider invasions of privacy, and their behaviors on an individual level are more conducive to quick measures to limit spread. Americans especially and the west in general don't have the necessary mindset to do what worked in the east.

[Topofthekey]

I'm not sure how that is related.

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China is reporting much fewer cases, and people are starting to go back to work

According to you, they are lying their asses off about their numbers

So are they also lying about people going back to work?

Or are people over there forced to go back to work despite the virus?

Yes, China is reporting fewer cases. The actual number of cases and deaths in China became classified information in early February. Most cases in China are now no longer reported at all. As many as 5 million people are believed to be missing in Wuhan. Some fled the area, while many didn't.

Yes, they are lying their asses off about the numbers and have been since the start. The numbers reported are a fraction of the reality when compared with the spike in cremations in Hubei province and calls to collect bodies from people's homes.

And yes, some people are forced to go back to work despite the risk of contracting the virus. The government doesn't want their economy to entirely collapse. They'd gladly sacrifice thousands of people's lives to keep it running.

Can you provide some sources for any of that?

The part about spike in cremation, calls to collect bodies from homes, people being forced to go to work, etc

I'm interested to learn more

[LKN]

I see that certain places out of the USA sell Chloroquine online. The prices should spike through the roof soon. Dangerous to take without a doctor's supervision but some people will get desperate.

As I mentioned before I have a doctor friend (actually have a couple).

He said that stuff can be pretty dangerous and people shouldn't think it's going to be some kind of panacea. Said it can have some pretty serious side effects. Basically "it's better than Malaria, but I probably wouldn't give it to someone who wasn't really sick"

[basketballRob]

I see that certain places out of the USA sell Chloroquine online. The prices should spike through the roof soon. Dangerous to take without a doctor's supervision but some people will get desperate.

They combine it with zinc in South Korea to treat coronavirus.

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[rugbyrugger23]

Since when did tweets from random people, op eds, opinion pieces, and so many "journalism" sites that have no proof of doing any kind of journalistic integrity/research other than push their agenda become fact? SO many very concerning agenda driven spreading of hysteria in this thread.

On the flip side, some very informative and worth while posters trying to help out fellow Americans in time of need. Keep it up.

[Topofthekey]

A government like China has a much easier time forcing it's people to do what they want than say America.

"A government like China" doesn't explain how South Korea, which had their first confirmed case on the exact same day as the US, was able to accomplish much more. It requires competence, not authoritarianism.

Singapore, too, has so far largely managed to keep the virus under control

In fact, the concern now is how some countries have given up on trying to contain the virus and are just waiting for it to hit:

https://youtu.be/AxAuMEo5XTs

The implication is that countries that worked hard to contain the virus will now also have to deal with danger of the virus being reintroduced from countries that had given up on trying to contain the virus

[GQ Hot Dog]

The criticisms of the testing of famous athletes and personalities is somewhat misplaced. As long as the government hasn't made widespread testing available it's been eye-opening to see the number of people testing positive that are showing no symptoms. It gives an idea of just how widespread infection rates actually are. Only testing those that are sick in the general population is only useful for verification purposes. It does nothing to help stop the spread.

[Catchall]

GOP plan of last few months

-discourage panic while they panic sell their stocks off in private

-kill off poor people by allowing the ones who can't work from home to keep going to work making them at higher risk of contraction

-blame it on Chinese while they enrich themselves, pretend there was nothing they could have done

-delay testing so that people in big cities, non-red voting places, would die at the highest rates (live closest together). People be a are that not enough tests affects big cities hardest

-call it a 'war' eventually, knowing wartime presidents are usually re-elected, "could last 18 months (on purpose)", right through the election.
They knew this was coming, Wilbur Ross knew some people could get rich, and others would lose out. The delay was intentional.

And when we said he's Hitler people laughed it off. When they killed off some of the Mexicans at the boarder, that wasn't enough for you. Now they're doing this sneak genocide while enriching themselves. You're still gonna vote for Hitler?

Whether this thing started in China might still be up for debate. At this point I'm beginning to trust their govt more than my own. All the evidence is on the table, including throughout these threads on the topic.

This is not what your ancestors fought for.

cynical much?

The first bullet has already played out.

Read on Twitter

?s=20

That Senator also voted AGAINST more stringent insider trading regulations.

You can always count on greed as a strong human motivator, that's not cynicism, that's reality. The current administration loves its wealthy elite.

edit - not speaking to the rest, some of that stuff is pretty tin-foil-hatty

Depending on his briefings and what stocks he sold, he may be pushing the limits of trading on insider information. However, he could argue that it was pretty common knowledge that the market was overheated and economic indicators pointed to a slowdown. The virus was a potential catalyst. Lots of people got out of the market recently.

[Fairview4Life]

A government like China has a much easier time forcing it's people to do what they want than say America.

"A government like China" doesn't explain how South Korea, which had their first confirmed case on the exact same day as the US, was able to accomplish much more. It requires competence, not authoritarianism.

I made a longer post about this earlier in the thread, but the condensed version is that their society tolerates things we don't and consider invasions of privacy, and their behaviors on an individual level are more conducive to quick measures to limit spread. Americans especially and the west in general don't have the necessary mindset to do what worked in the east.

There's nothing really inherent in the "east" that is keeping things running well in Korea. The actual key was rapid and widespread testing, and immediate quarantine of everyone who tested positive, even if they were asymptomatic. I don't think Korea ever went into a huge lock down, did they? It was mainly quickly test and isolate everyone who was sick. The key is to not spend a month lying to people about testing or how big of a risk it is. Communicate consistently, frequently, and honestly, and "overreact" with testing/isolation and mass producing masks/protective equipment, and ventilators.

[Stillwater]

I see that certain places out of the USA sell Chloroquine online. The prices should spike through the roof soon. Dangerous to take without a doctor's supervision but some people will get desperate.

This won't work . imo it is a comfort response as of right now and they are testing it to see if it can be morphed into something for tempering symptoms enough to justify mass production but the key is it not a cure not a vaccine and so therefore absolutely not something that creates immunity.
without something to create immunity along side the fact this is spreading rapidly among all age groups now , having pain relieving Malaria drugs as bail out solutions for the sick won't get America or anywhere else back to normal.

[MotownMadness]

Is there a positive/Negative ratio on the test that have been performed so far in the U.S?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Is there a positive/Negative ratio on the test that have been performed so far in the U.S?

We're around 10% of people who are tested being infected.


Gonna be 75 degrees in NYC tomorrow, guarantee the streets will be full of people.

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