Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[Ellisere]

China is reporting much fewer cases, and people are starting to go back to work

According to you, they are lying their asses off about their numbers

So are they also lying about people going back to work?

Or are people over there forced to go back to work despite the virus?

Yes, China is reporting fewer cases. The actual number of cases and deaths in China became classified information in early February. Most cases in China are now no longer reported at all. As many as 5 million people are believed to be missing in Wuhan. Some fled the area, while many didn't.

Yes, they are lying their asses off about the numbers and have been since the start. The numbers reported are a fraction of the reality when compared with the spike in cremations in Hubei province and calls to collect bodies from people's homes.

And yes, some people are forced to go back to work despite the risk of contracting the virus. The government doesn't want their economy to entirely collapse. They'd gladly sacrifice thousands of people's lives to keep it running.

Can you provide some sources for any of that?

The part about spike in cremation, calls to collect bodies from homes, people being forced to go to work, etc

I'm interested to learn more

There will always be a Pro-Democracy anonymous Chinese whistle blower or a comprehensive NGO report to reveal the true evil nature of everything those commies do, for those who are interested enough.

Snowden and Assange are fictional characters invented by China too, don't you know?

[BladeDaywalker]

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[Ainosterhaspie]

This right here explains why this was never going to be contained in the US. This is from the county I live in. We could immediately spread useful information to people who may have been infected by these people, but instead we are protecting their privacy. So now people who may be carriers don't know that they may be carriers. They can't and/or won't go get tested themselves. They may not be self-quaranteening as rigidly as they could and should be.

Spread that could be stopped may instead be transmitted two and three steps out. There is an unnecessary, incredibly counterproductive barrier which limits our ability to control the spread. This is what I'm talking about when I say the east is more equipped to nip this sort of thing in the bud. The west has to fundamentally reexamine privacy or it will always be impossible to contain this sort of thing.

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[chrismikayla]

I see that certain places out of the USA sell Chloroquine online. The prices should spike through the roof soon. Dangerous to take without a doctor's supervision but some people will get desperate.

As I mentioned before I have a doctor friend (actually have a couple).

He said that stuff can be pretty dangerous and people shouldn't think it's going to be some kind of panacea. Said it can have some pretty serious side effects. Basically "it's better than Malaria, but I probably wouldn't give it to someone who wasn't really sick"

Definitely but I'm seeing all of these reports that people have recovered quickly on this drug. I mentioned before it's so confusing with so much conflicting information out there.

[spacemonkey]

I see that certain places out of the USA sell Chloroquine online. The prices should spike through the roof soon. Dangerous to take without a doctor's supervision but some people will get desperate.

This won't work . imo it is a comfort response as of right now and they are testing it to see if it can be morphed into something for tempering symptoms enough to justify mass production but the key is it not a cure not a vaccine and so therefore absolutely not something that creates immunity.
without something to create immunity along side the fact this is spreading rapidly among all age groups now , having pain relieving Malaria drugs as bail out solutions for the sick won't get America or anywhere else back to normal.

Not gonna lie, amused at the idea of someone with symptoms taking this, reducing their symptoms to a point where they feel a lot better, so guess what?

Time to hit the beach, baby!!!

[Nuntius]

Are they lying about people going back to work as well?

I'm not sure how that is related.

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Also, you may or may not be interested in this:

How a Chinese city of 8.5 million went from 93 cases to zero cases, with no new cases reported for 23 consecutive days (or as some people would undoubtly call it, Chinese propaganda)

https://youtu.be/YfsdJGj3-jM

The point is, the virus can be beat, and it's not even that difficult to do it

All it takes is decisive action and collective effort

Chinese propaganda or not, it's still a really interesting video. Thank you for posting.

[Catchall]

China is reporting much fewer cases, and people are starting to go back to work

According to you, they are lying their asses off about their numbers

So are they also lying about people going back to work?

Or are people over there forced to go back to work despite the virus?

Yes, China is reporting fewer cases. The actual number of cases and deaths in China became classified information in early February. Most cases in China are now no longer reported at all. As many as 5 million people are believed to be missing in Wuhan. Some fled the area, while many didn't.

Yes, they are lying their asses off about the numbers and have been since the start. The numbers reported are a fraction of the reality when compared with the spike in cremations in Hubei province and calls to collect bodies from people's homes.

And yes, some people are forced to go back to work despite the risk of contracting the virus. The government doesn't want their economy to entirely collapse. They'd gladly sacrifice thousands of people's lives to keep it running.

Can you provide some sources for any of that?

The part about spike in cremation, calls to collect bodies from homes, people being forced to go to work, etc

I'm interested to learn more

This was all over China-related news a month ago and should be searchable. I can try to dig up some sources.

[Metallikid]

Are they lying about people going back to work as well?

I'm not sure how that is related.

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China is reporting much fewer cases, and people are starting to go back to work

According to you, they are lying their asses off about their numbers

So are they also lying about people going back to work?

Or are people over there forced to go back to work despite the virus?

They tried to re-open cities and it's not working well.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3074746/coronavirus-hubei-city-reopens-business-then-closes-again-30

[mtron929]

This right here explains why this was never going to be contained in the US. This is from the county I live in. We could immediately spread useful information to people who may have been infected by these people, but instead we are protecting their privacy. So now people who may be carriers don't know that they may be carriers. They can't and/or won't go get tested themselves. They may not be self-quaranteening as rigidly as they could and should be.

Spread that could be stopped may instead be transmitted two and three steps out. There is an unnecessary, incredibly counterproductive barrier which limits our ability to control the spread. This is what I'm talking about when I say the east is more equipped to nip this sort of thing in the bud. The west has to fundamentally reexamine privacy or it will always be impossible to contain this sort of thing.

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I kind of agree, but individualism/privacy certainly are virtues in most regular times. It is just that during a pandemic, not as much. Depending on the damage that it does to these western countries, I would not be surprised if new generation of people would actually want more of a big brother type of a government for the good (and I suppose bad) of the people as a whole. Obviously, we are not there, but if millions of people around the world die from the coronavirus, the lasting scar will have big impact on the type of system that we want in our society.

[Metallikid]

This right here explains why this was never going to be contained in the US. This is from the county I live in. We could immediately spread useful information to people who may have been infected by these people, but instead we are protecting their privacy. So now people who may be carriers don't know that they may be carriers. They can't and/or won't go get tested themselves. They may not be self-quaranteening as rigidly as they could and should be.

Spread that could be stopped may instead be transmitted two and three steps out. There is an unnecessary, incredibly counterproductive barrier which limits our ability to control the spread. This is what I'm talking about when I say the east is more equipped to nip this sort of thing in the bud. The west has to fundamentally reexamine privacy or it will always be impossible to contain this sort of thing.

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They could easily mention the places/areas an infected person had been in without revealing their identity. If they can override the Constitution then privacy laws shouldn't be much at all, at least when it comes to containing the spread geographically.

[zimpy27]

I distract myself playing with my daughter+ playing video games. Work is so dead though that I have endless hours of downtime. Which I use pretty much purely researching this pandemic.

Maybe research the stock market or property market. Maybe try to forecast ways you can pick up some more money in the present or future. Maybe read, write a fictional story, think of an idea for a business. Honestly, if you put that energy into something useful you could get a lot out of it for you and your family.

It may not be the best time to research stocks and property values. Heck, I just moved my entire 401K balance into a money market fund. But yes, it would be good for him to get his mind off it and use at least some of the time on something more enjoyable.

Well research it, don't invest for a while.

[Metallikid]

A government like China has a much easier time forcing it's people to do what they want than say America.

"A government like China" doesn't explain how South Korea, which had their first confirmed case on the exact same day as the US, was able to accomplish much more. It requires competence, not authoritarianism.

Let's be honest, a lot of Americans don't give a **** about anyone but themselves. It will require both.

[LKN]

The criticisms of the testing of famous athletes and personalities is somewhat misplaced. As long as the government hasn't made widespread testing available it's been eye-opening to see the number of people testing positive that are showing no symptoms. It gives an idea of just how widespread infection rates actually are. Only testing those that are sick in the general population is only useful for verification purposes. It does nothing to help stop the spread.

It's not really misplaced because those tests should be used on doctors and nurses who can't work right now because they have to quarantine until they are tested. I have no idea why tests have not been prioritized for them

[Nuntius]

Is it just me or does it seem a little selfish of these basketball players going to social media and taking headlines about how they’re infected yet every single one of them is feeling completely fine. Seems like Twitter is more obsessed with Marcus smart having the virus than the hundreds dying day after day.

Also don’t get me started on the celebrities making stupid videos cause we’re all in this together


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1) You are the same poster who said that "this was just a very severe flu" a couple of pages back only to have your post be deleted for failing to meet the guidelines in the OP.

2) I am glad that people that have a big social media platform are talking about this. I'm glad that players who have contracted Covid-19 are divulging it. I'll take anything that helps to raise public awareness about the threat that this virus poses. A lot of people have yet to take this seriously as evidenced by a lot of posts in here that have pictures of crowded bars and beaches. So, everything that can help make people take this more seriously is a positive, in my opinion.

[Ainosterhaspie]

This right here explains why this was never going to be contained in the US. This is from the county I live in. We could immediately spread useful information to people who may have been infected by these people, but instead we are protecting their privacy. So now people who may be carriers don't know that they may be carriers. They can't and/or won't go get tested themselves. They may not be self-quaranteening as rigidly as they could and should be.

Spread that could be stopped may instead be transmitted two and three steps out. There is an unnecessary, incredibly counterproductive barrier which limits our ability to control the spread. This is what I'm talking about when I say the east is more equipped to nip this sort of thing in the bud. The west has to fundamentally reexamine privacy or it will always be impossible to contain this sort of thing.

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They could easily mention the places/areas an infected person had been in without revealing their identity. If they can override the Constitution then privacy laws shouldn't be much at all, at least when it comes to containing the spread geographically.

That's using a bandaid to staunch the bleeding from a gunshot wound. As long as we insist on protecting privacy like this, we cannot effectively stop the spread of this sort of thing without drastic, far more invasive and damaging measures like shutting down our cities and economy.

We should be exerting societal pressure on people to reveal this stuff themselves. People who are positive and don't immediately get word out to everyone they can, should be shamed for their dangerous selfishness. That's completely unacceptable behaviour as far as I'm concerned.

This maybe is a reason it's good so many prominent athletes have been tested and revealed the results. There should be no stigma for revealing that you have the virus and there should be intense stigma to those who refuse to do so.

[nymets1]

anyone else get legit anxiety over this?

i'm about to attempt a target run and my body has that feeling like i just buckled my helmet and the ref has placed the ball on the tee for the opening kickoff.

I've been having a lot more trouble sleeping at night. Last night had to take 75 MG Hydroxyzine to tranq myself (antihistamine).

Meltonin I take every night before bed. i get the vitafusion brand at Walmart. But they won't work if your on( Adrenaline/stress/worried about something) or if your hungry/ have to use the restroom. If those 5 things are in check, Meltonin is supposed to put you asleep by 1 hour if your not affected by one of those 5 things.

[OkcSinceSGA]

https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china


Scientists question why Canada was sending China deadly diseases.

[Metallikid]

This right here explains why this was never going to be contained in the US. This is from the county I live in. We could immediately spread useful information to people who may have been infected by these people, but instead we are protecting their privacy. So now people who may be carriers don't know that they may be carriers. They can't and/or won't go get tested themselves. They may not be self-quaranteening as rigidly as they could and should be.

Spread that could be stopped may instead be transmitted two and three steps out. There is an unnecessary, incredibly counterproductive barrier which limits our ability to control the spread. This is what I'm talking about when I say the east is more equipped to nip this sort of thing in the bud. The west has to fundamentally reexamine privacy or it will always be impossible to contain this sort of thing.

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They could easily mention the places/areas an infected person had been in without revealing their identity. If they can override the Constitution then privacy laws shouldn't be much at all, at least when it comes to containing the spread geographically.

That's using a bandaid to staunch the bleeding from a gunshot wound. As long as we insist on protecting privacy like this, we cannot effectively stop the spread of this sort of thing without drastic, far more invasive and damaging measures like shutting down our cities and economy.

We should be exerting societal pressure on people to reveal this stuff themselves. People who are positive and don't immediately get word out to everyone they can, should be shamed for their dangerous selfishness. That's completely unacceptable behaviour as far as I'm concerned.

This maybe is a reason it's good so many prominent athletes have been tested and revealed the results. There should be no stigma for revealing that you have the virus and there should be intense stigma to those who refuse to do so.

I mean the entire idea of Contact Tracing is so that the medical professionals can tell those who have been in contact with them to self-isolate. (In addition to trying to track down the transmission chain)

Unfortunately I think you are so far beyond that point that there aren't enough people who could be out making those calls even. The lack of early action is going to be beyond disastrous.

[Catchall]

Yes, China is reporting fewer cases. The actual number of cases and deaths in China became classified information in early February. Most cases in China are now no longer reported at all. As many as 5 million people are believed to be missing in Wuhan. Some fled the area, while many didn't.

Yes, they are lying their asses off about the numbers and have been since the start. The numbers reported are a fraction of the reality when compared with the spike in cremations in Hubei province and calls to collect bodies from people's homes.

And yes, some people are forced to go back to work despite the risk of contracting the virus. The government doesn't want their economy to entirely collapse. They'd gladly sacrifice thousands of people's lives to keep it running.

Can you provide some sources for any of that?

The part about spike in cremation, calls to collect bodies from homes, people being forced to go to work, etc

I'm interested to learn more

This was all over China-related news a month ago and should be searchable. I can try to dig up some sources.

https://coinmarketnewstoday.com/2020/02/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll-is-over-50000/

https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/cremate-02142020105822.html

https://dcdirtylaundry.com/bodies-piling-up-hubei-province-funeral-home-workers-pushed-to-near-collapse-as-cremation-centers-burn-hundreds-of-bodies-per-day/

https://www.fxstreet.com/analysis/sudden-rise-in-so2-levels-suggests-huge-cremation-surge-202002100908

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/feb/26/facebook-posts/china-air-quality-projections-used-promote-coronav/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7969861/Wuhan-crematoriums-burning-bodies-24-7-cope-extra-workload.html

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/wuhan-crematory-127-yesterday-this-is-4-5-times-normal-rate-hcpFWN-1pEKCzCo26oPXLA

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