Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[Metallikid]

https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china


Scientists question why Canada was sending China deadly diseases.

China has been infiltrating all sorts of organizations.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/31/us/chinese-scientist-cancer-research-investigation.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51288854

[Fairview4Life]

https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china


Scientists question why Canada was sending China deadly diseases.

I mean, the article says it's a completely normal practice.

But I guess you're arguing that China got samples of this bug so they could create a vaccine, weaponize it and release it into the population so they can then swoop in as the world's saviour? That's your actual belief?

[Ainosterhaspie]

They could easily mention the places/areas an infected person had been in without revealing their identity. If they can override the Constitution then privacy laws shouldn't be much at all, at least when it comes to containing the spread geographically.

That's using a bandaid to staunch the bleeding from a gunshot wound. As long as we insist on protecting privacy like this, we cannot effectively stop the spread of this sort of thing without drastic, far more invasive and damaging measures like shutting down our cities and economy.

We should be exerting societal pressure on people to reveal this stuff themselves. People who are positive and don't immediately get word out to everyone they can, should be shamed for their dangerous selfishness. That's completely unacceptable behaviour as far as I'm concerned.

This maybe is a reason it's good so many prominent athletes have been tested and revealed the results. There should be no stigma for revealing that you have the virus and there should be intense stigma to those who refuse to do so.

I mean the entire idea of Contact Tracing is so that the medical professionals can tell those who have been in contact with them to self-isolate. (In addition to trying to track down the transmission chain)

Unfortunately I think you are so far beyond that point that there aren't enough people who could be out making those calls even. The lack of early action is going to be beyond disastrous.

Contact tracing uses time and resources to accomplish something that can be accomplished instantly by putting the name in the notice. There should also be detailed information in the notice or a follow up notice about where the person was during times they could have been transmitting the virus, so that people can quickly determine if they may have been exposed and adjust their behavior accordingly.

[LKN]

OMG - and I was just dunking on Carlson.

Hell has frozen over....seriously

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[nymets1]

Gavin Newsom, governor of California just wrote a letter begging Trump to deploy the Mercy Hospital Ship to port of Los Angeles until September. He said they project 56% of California's population will be infected in just EIGHT weeks!

That's what you get when there's a vindictive baby in the Oval Office. He's going to let the Blue States which have most of the population in the country suffer wantonly. I'm sorry ClipsFanSince98. Stock up and #STAYTHEFHOME.

Yikes man. This **** isn't good. TBH I already half believe I have it anyway. I'm in day 6 or 7 of shortness of breath (mild), sore throat, headaches etc. IF I do have it... in a way it's a good thing (to get it over with now and build antibodies, assuming it doesn't flip into pneumonia) and means my body is obviously strong enough to fight this off and I haven't went into pneumonia. I feel like I'm getting better, then next day start feeling a little sicker. It's been mild the entire time overall though.

I called about possibly testing 3-4 days ago but they still didn't have enough tests to do people that aren't admitted fully to an ER.

Last week my car went into the shop on Monday morning to get fixed so I had these rental car last week from Monday through Wednesday night, during that time I had 1 to 2 very very brief periods where I felt my lung and i felt it was because of the rental car or I'm behind on sleep. Than this past Tuesday I eat at Kyoto sushi and grill and I noticed I started feeling hot but i was like I just had soup and hot food and than I wake up Wednesday morning to use the bathroom and I feel hot and sweaty and that broke off somewhere around 3pm Wednesday.

[Nuntius]

This right here explains why this was never going to be contained in the US. This is from the county I live in. We could immediately spread useful information to people who may have been infected by these people, but instead we are protecting their privacy. So now people who may be carriers don't know that they may be carriers. They can't and/or won't go get tested themselves. They may not be self-quaranteening as rigidly as they could and should be.

Spread that could be stopped may instead be transmitted two and three steps out. There is an unnecessary, incredibly counterproductive barrier which limits our ability to control the spread. This is what I'm talking about when I say the east is more equipped to nip this sort of thing in the bud. The west has to fundamentally reexamine privacy or it will always be impossible to contain this sort of thing.

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They could easily mention the places/areas an infected person had been in without revealing their identity. If they can override the Constitution then privacy laws shouldn't be much at all, at least when it comes to containing the spread geographically.

Exactly. That's what South Korea reportedly did. They immediately notified their citizens (through a governmental number installed in every phone) about the area of a potential Covid-19 case AND about their recent whereabouts (X grocery store, Y dry cleaners, Z restaurant etc). You don't have to divulge names to do that.

[LKN]

That's using a bandaid to staunch the bleeding from a gunshot wound. As long as we insist on protecting privacy like this, we cannot effectively stop the spread of this sort of thing without drastic, far more invasive and damaging measures like shutting down our cities and economy.

We should be exerting societal pressure on people to reveal this stuff themselves. People who are positive and don't immediately get word out to everyone they can, should be shamed for their dangerous selfishness. That's completely unacceptable behaviour as far as I'm concerned.

This maybe is a reason it's good so many prominent athletes have been tested and revealed the results. There should be no stigma for revealing that you have the virus and there should be intense stigma to those who refuse to do so.

I mean the entire idea of Contact Tracing is so that the medical professionals can tell those who have been in contact with them to self-isolate. (In addition to trying to track down the transmission chain)

Unfortunately I think you are so far beyond that point that there aren't enough people who could be out making those calls even. The lack of early action is going to be beyond disastrous.

Contact tracing uses time and resources to accomplish something that can be accomplished instantly by putting the name in the notice. There should also be detailed information in the notice or a follow up notice about where the person was during times they could have been transmitting the virus, so that people can quickly determine if they may have been exposed and adjust their behavior accordingly.

I think your idea has some long term merit, however we've lost containment so completely that everyone just needs to assume they have it right now. Hopefully in say 6-8 weeks we can start using techniques like this to some degree

[OkcSinceSGA]

https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china


Scientists question why Canada was sending China deadly diseases.

I mean, the article says it's a completely normal practice.

But I guess you're arguing that China got samples of this bug so they could create a vaccine, weaponize it and release it into the population so they can then swoop in as the world's saviour? That's your actual belief?

No. I believe they were experimenting with, modifying them to make more deadly strands or specialized strands. Then there was an accidental breach or security meltdown.

Dont think that extends as far as a vaccine

[Fairview4Life]

https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china


Scientists question why Canada was sending China deadly diseases.

I mean, the article says it's a completely normal practice.

But I guess you're arguing that China got samples of this bug so they could create a vaccine, weaponize it and release it into the population so they can then swoop in as the world's saviour? That's your actual belief?

No. I believe they were experimenting with, modifying them to make more deadly strands or specialized strands. Then there was an accidental breach or security meltdown.

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But...the two samples in that article aren't covid-19 related at all, and they've actually sequenced covid-19 and the designed bio weapon theory isn't true. So good news, you can stop believing that now.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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So sad. RIP.

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[OkcSinceSGA]

I mean, the article says it's a completely normal practice.

But I guess you're arguing that China got samples of this bug so they could create a vaccine, weaponize it and release it into the population so they can then swoop in as the world's saviour? That's your actual belief?

No. I believe they were experimenting with, modifying them to make more deadly strands or specialized strands. Then there was an accidental breach or security meltdown.

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But...the two samples in that article aren't covid-19 related at all, and they've actually sequenced convid-19 and the designed bio weapon theory isn't true. So good news, you can stop believing that now.

I'm not saying it's these particular strains at all. Many things point to it being lab altered/made. They are KNOWN to purchase these and have a biological weapons testing lab close to the wet markets. It's really not the leap you're making it out to be. This is just more evidence that they buy and experiment with deadly , infectious diseases. Doesn't need to be the exact strand that Covid originated from.

[Trader_Joe]

https://nationalpost.com/health/bio-warfare-experts-question-why-canada-was-sending-lethal-viruses-to-china


Scientists question why Canada was sending China deadly diseases.

I mean, the article says it's a completely normal practice.

But I guess you're arguing that China got samples of this bug so they could create a vaccine, weaponize it and release it into the population so they can then swoop in as the world's saviour? That's your actual belief?

No. I believe they were experimenting with, modifying them to make more deadly strands or specialized strands. Then there was an accidental breach or security meltdown.

Dont think that extends as far as a vaccine

If you wanna go that route....

These guys are playing chess, not checkers. I won't go too much further to avoid conflict on here, but think about it for a second and how much one leader in particular has to gain from this, esp. on issues they hold near and dear.

[mtron929]

This right here explains why this was never going to be contained in the US. This is from the county I live in. We could immediately spread useful information to people who may have been infected by these people, but instead we are protecting their privacy. So now people who may be carriers don't know that they may be carriers. They can't and/or won't go get tested themselves. They may not be self-quaranteening as rigidly as they could and should be.

Spread that could be stopped may instead be transmitted two and three steps out. There is an unnecessary, incredibly counterproductive barrier which limits our ability to control the spread. This is what I'm talking about when I say the east is more equipped to nip this sort of thing in the bud. The west has to fundamentally reexamine privacy or it will always be impossible to contain this sort of thing.

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They could easily mention the places/areas an infected person had been in without revealing their identity. If they can override the Constitution then privacy laws shouldn't be much at all, at least when it comes to containing the spread geographically.

Exactly. That's what South Korea reportedly did. They immediately notified their citizens (through a governmental number installed in every phone) about the area of a potential Covid-19 case AND about their recent whereabouts (X grocery store, Y dry cleaners, Z restaurant etc). You don't have to divulge names to do that.

Yeah, that is what is happening in Korea. I guess one fear of doing this is that it is really bad publicity for these businesses so they would complain and perhaps even file lawsuits? (for some reason, you don't see much of that from the businesses here in Korea) One other thing is that Korea did this from the get go, so we were given healthy amount of information that wouldn't overload our brains. For a country like US to adopt this system, I would not be surprised if in some of the hot locations (e.g. New York, SF), you get hundreds of these messages every day. That would ratchet up panic to a whole different level.

I am not saying one should not do it, but I am almost thinking that it is too late for the US.

[Nuntius]

They could easily mention the places/areas an infected person had been in without revealing their identity. If they can override the Constitution then privacy laws shouldn't be much at all, at least when it comes to containing the spread geographically.

Exactly. That's what South Korea reportedly did. They immediately notified their citizens (through a governmental number installed in every phone) about the area of a potential Covid-19 case AND about their recent whereabouts (X grocery store, Y dry cleaners, Z restaurant etc). You don't have to divulge names to do that.

Yeah, that is what is happening in Korea. I guess one fear of doing this is that it is really bad publicity for these businesses so they would complain and perhaps even file lawsuits? (for some reason, you don't see much of that from the businesses here in Korea) One other thing is that Korea did this from the get go, so we were given healthy amount of information that wouldn't overload our brains. For a country like US to adopt this system, I would not be surprised if in some of the hot locations (e.g. New York, SF), you get hundreds of these messages every day. That would ratchet up panic to a whole different level.

I am not saying one should not do it, but I am almost thinking that it is too late for the US.

Oh, it is definitely too late for that now. And I also agree that there are a lot of differences in the mindset of the two populations that make what was possible in South Korea, almost impossible in a lot of other countries. I was simply remarking that divulging names is not actually needed to do that kind of thing. You can still do it without divulging names.

[Ainosterhaspie]

I mean the entire idea of Contact Tracing is so that the medical professionals can tell those who have been in contact with them to self-isolate. (In addition to trying to track down the transmission chain)

Unfortunately I think you are so far beyond that point that there aren't enough people who could be out making those calls even. The lack of early action is going to be beyond disastrous.

Contact tracing uses time and resources to accomplish something that can be accomplished instantly by putting the name in the notice. There should also be detailed information in the notice or a follow up notice about where the person was during times they could have been transmitting the virus, so that people can quickly determine if they may have been exposed and adjust their behavior accordingly.

I think your idea has some long term merit, however we've lost containment so completely that everyone just needs to assume they have it right now. Hopefully in say 6-8 weeks we can start using techniques like this to some degree

This is part of why we lost containment. The information isn't disseminated as quickly as it should be. And the United States isn't homogeneous. There are many communities with varying levels of spread, and while containment may be futile in some communities, it's possible in others, but only if word the information is shared.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Experts admit by "flattening the curve" they still expect the same number of infected, they just want it to peak less violently to avoid overwhelming the system. I'd think it would do both? I assume while quarantined many will shed virus and lessen how much is going around? Or are we all going to eventually get it?

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[OkcSinceSGA]

California with statewide stay at home order. So I can't work anymore right? I work in sales.

[Ainosterhaspie]

This right here explains why this was never going to be contained in the US. This is from the county I live in. We could immediately spread useful information to people who may have been infected by these people, but instead we are protecting their privacy. So now people who may be carriers don't know that they may be carriers. They can't and/or won't go get tested themselves. They may not be self-quaranteening as rigidly as they could and should be.

Spread that could be stopped may instead be transmitted two and three steps out. There is an unnecessary, incredibly counterproductive barrier which limits our ability to control the spread. This is what I'm talking about when I say the east is more equipped to nip this sort of thing in the bud. The west has to fundamentally reexamine privacy or it will always be impossible to contain this sort of thing.

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They could easily mention the places/areas an infected person had been in without revealing their identity. If they can override the Constitution then privacy laws shouldn't be much at all, at least when it comes to containing the spread geographically.

Exactly. That's what South Korea reportedly did. They immediately notified their citizens (through a governmental number installed in every phone) about the area of a potential Covid-19 case AND about their recent whereabouts (X grocery store, Y dry cleaners, Z restaurant etc). You don't have to divulge names to do that.

And what do we do when 'murica guy tells the health officials "f*** off, I'm not telling you where I've been"? Are we going to violate his privacy by pulling his cell phone tracking data and posting his name?

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[Metallikid]

OMG - and I was just dunking on Carlson.

Hell has frozen over....seriously

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Await trial on Insider Trading?

Put them in The Hague for Crimes against Humanity. All of them.