Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[LKN]

OMG - Burr is so screwed

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[GQ Hot Dog]

The criticisms of the testing of famous athletes and personalities is somewhat misplaced. As long as the government hasn't made widespread testing available it's been eye-opening to see the number of people testing positive that are showing no symptoms. It gives an idea of just how widespread infection rates actually are. Only testing those that are sick in the general population is only useful for verification purposes. It does nothing to help stop the spread.

It's not really misplaced because those tests should be used on doctors and nurses who can't work right now because they have to quarantine until they are tested. I have no idea why tests have not been prioritized for them

That's why I said "somewhat" misplaced. Obviously, the #1 problem is that the Feds are initiating testing way later than they should have. As soon as China provided us with the viruses genetic sequencing for testing and even earlier really, the Feds should have begun the process of preparing labs around the country, public and private, for testing.

But testing the famous is not useless, it gives us some information regarding the spread that you don't get through testing only the sick nor would you get through testing doctors and nurses as you suggest. Doctors and nurses are at a much higher risk of infection than the average person so it wouldn't have yielding the same sort of insights. At this point, the limitations of testing mean you're not going to get satisfactory information regardless of who you test.

[Nuntius]

They could easily mention the places/areas an infected person had been in without revealing their identity. If they can override the Constitution then privacy laws shouldn't be much at all, at least when it comes to containing the spread geographically.

Exactly. That's what South Korea reportedly did. They immediately notified their citizens (through a governmental number installed in every phone) about the area of a potential Covid-19 case AND about their recent whereabouts (X grocery store, Y dry cleaners, Z restaurant etc). You don't have to divulge names to do that.

And what do we do when 'murica guy tells the health officials "f*** off, I'm not telling you where I've been"? Are we going to violate his privacy by pulling his cell phone tracking data and posting his name?

Oh, I absolutely agree that there is a vast difference in the mindsets of the two populations when it comes to these kinds of things. No argument against that at all. I was simply saying that Korea didn't have to divulge names to do this. It doesn't mean that the same methods can work in another country, much less the US.

[BladeDaywalker]

The most hilarious part about Kelly Loeffler is that she wasn't even subtle about what she was doing. She basically wanted to get caught:

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

China is a communist country. If you didnt know...

And there is a clear direction from the top. But the president doesn't have control over the states. That would be up to the govenors.

Ask yourself this. What is my governor doing? Mine has the state on lock down and I'm very happy with her response. If you have a problem with your state's response go complain to your governor.

If they managed to keep deaths below 10,000, how on earth could America ever get to 1 million+ deaths as some were predicting? That seems incredibly unlikely.

Because China acted as one, we currently have 50 states acting as their own countries with no real direction from uptop. China also can mass produce everything they need, they didn't have a shortage of masks, ventilators or doctors/nurses. They built "hospitals" in 10 days and lockdown a massive region.

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No, there is no direction from the top other than empty words. They claimed we'd be up to 1.5 million tests this week, where are they? People are still being turned away for testing. Where is the national website? Everything they have said to this point has been nonsense, most people with symptoms still can't even get tested unless they're on death's door. We aren't even testing our Doctors or Nurses, the people most vital to fighting this.

Anything to shift blame, there are several things a Governor cannot do without the Federal government signing off on it. I don't care what kind of government China has in relation to the question he asked. He wondered how China could have a lower mortality rate than the US and I told him how, same applies to Democratic South Korea.

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[Nuntius]

OMG - Burr is so screwed

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"I don't deny I killed him, your Honor. I just killed him earlier than the prosecutor claims I did."

[LKN]

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FFS - pretending this isn't awful doesn't make it any better. We need to know this information so we can craft a proper response.

[LKN]

The criticisms of the testing of famous athletes and personalities is somewhat misplaced. As long as the government hasn't made widespread testing available it's been eye-opening to see the number of people testing positive that are showing no symptoms. It gives an idea of just how widespread infection rates actually are. Only testing those that are sick in the general population is only useful for verification purposes. It does nothing to help stop the spread.

It's not really misplaced because those tests should be used on doctors and nurses who can't work right now because they have to quarantine until they are tested. I have no idea why tests have not been prioritized for them

That's why I said "somewhat" misplaced. Obviously, the #1 problem is that the Feds are initiating testing way later than they should have. As soon as China provided us with the viruses genetic sequencing for testing and even earlier really, the Feds should have begun the process of preparing labs around the country, public and private, for testing.

But testing the famous is not useless, it gives us some information regarding the spread that you don't get through testing only the sick nor would you get through testing doctors and nurses as you suggest. Doctors and nurses are at a much higher risk of infection than the average person so it wouldn't have yielding the same sort of insights. At this point, the limitations of testing mean you're not going to get satisfactory information regardless of who you test.

You make some fair points.. but the reason to test doctors and nurses is so they can keep working. Many are having to quarantine because they've been exposed and can't go back to work until they either finish quarantine or get tested

[Metallikid]

It's not really misplaced because those tests should be used on doctors and nurses who can't work right now because they have to quarantine until they are tested. I have no idea why tests have not been prioritized for them

That's why I said "somewhat" misplaced. Obviously, the #1 problem is that the Feds are initiating testing way later than they should have. As soon as China provided us with the viruses genetic sequencing for testing and even earlier really, the Feds should have begun the process of preparing labs around the country, public and private, for testing.

But testing the famous is not useless, it gives us some information regarding the spread that you don't get through testing only the sick nor would you get through testing doctors and nurses as you suggest. Doctors and nurses are at a much higher risk of infection than the average person so it wouldn't have yielding the same sort of insights. At this point, the limitations of testing mean you're not going to get satisfactory information regardless of who you test.

You make some fair points.. but the reason to test doctors and nurses is so they can keep working. Many are having to quarantine because they've been exposed and can't go back to work until they either finish quarantine or get tested

Nope. In Italy all doctors and nurses work, even those confirmed to have it. They are only asked to quarantine if they are very symptomatic. In China they had doctors working 72 hour shifts wearing diapers and some died of exhaustion.

As for the economic news, the stock market should be kept closed until there is a significant reprieve or end to the Pandemic.

https://www.ccn.com/dow-jones-in-freefall-as-wall-street-begs-for-stock-market-shutdown/

[Zenzibar]

U.S. response to coronavirus a 'fiasco,' says health expert | PBS NewsHour


https://www.pbssocal.org/programs/pbs-newshour/pandemic-3-1584046949/%20via%20@pbssocal


U.S. response to coronavirus a 'fiasco,' says health expert
0:06:30 | Clip
As the novel coronavirus pandemic takes hold in the U.S., some Americans are expressing concerns over how the government is handling the situation, the availability of testing kits and the U.S. response in comparison to that of other countries. Dr. Ashish Jha of the Harvard Global Health Institute joins Judy Woodruff to discuss the “deeply disappointing” U.S. management of the outbreak.

[sfernald]

GOP plan of last few months

-discourage panic while they panic sell their stocks off in private

-kill off poor people by allowing the ones who can't work from home to keep going to work making them at higher risk of contraction

-blame it on Chinese while they enrich themselves, pretend there was nothing they could have done

-delay testing so that people in big cities, non-red voting places, would die at the highest rates (live closest together). People be a are that not enough tests affects big cities hardest

-call it a 'war' eventually, knowing wartime presidents are usually re-elected, "could last 18 months (on purpose)", right through the election.
They knew this was coming, Wilbur Ross knew some people could get rich, and others would lose out. The delay was intentional.

And when we said he's Hitler people laughed it off. When they killed off some of the Mexicans at the boarder, that wasn't enough for you. Now they're doing this sneak genocide while enriching themselves. You're still gonna vote for Hitler?

Whether this thing started in China might still be up for debate. At this point I'm beginning to trust their govt more than my own. All the evidence is on the table, including throughout these threads on the topic.

This is not what your ancestors fought for.

I despise Trump and would even use the word “evil” to describe him (in a banal way), but that is one of the most insane, intellectually incoherent things I have ever read.

Yeah - over the top.

The story here is simple. Complete abject incompetence. We don't really need to go much further than that

I really hope it’s just compete abject incompetence but at thE VERY base of my bones I can feel something sinister is moving behind the edges. A perfectly timed pandemic could be the thing that binds the US or even the world into a dictatorship. /end crazy theory

[LKN]

That's why I said "somewhat" misplaced. Obviously, the #1 problem is that the Feds are initiating testing way later than they should have. As soon as China provided us with the viruses genetic sequencing for testing and even earlier really, the Feds should have begun the process of preparing labs around the country, public and private, for testing.

But testing the famous is not useless, it gives us some information regarding the spread that you don't get through testing only the sick nor would you get through testing doctors and nurses as you suggest. Doctors and nurses are at a much higher risk of infection than the average person so it wouldn't have yielding the same sort of insights. At this point, the limitations of testing mean you're not going to get satisfactory information regardless of who you test.

You make some fair points.. but the reason to test doctors and nurses is so they can keep working. Many are having to quarantine because they've been exposed and can't go back to work until they either finish quarantine or get tested

Nope. In Italy all doctors and nurses work, even those confirmed to have it. They are only asked to quarantine if they are very symptomatic. In China they had doctors working 72 hour shifts wearing diapers and some died of exhaustion.

As for the economic news, the stock market should be kept closed until there is a significant reprieve or end to the Pandemic.

https://www.ccn.com/dow-jones-in-freefall-as-wall-street-begs-for-stock-market-shutdown/

Markets can't close. Retirees have to make withdrawals every month, stocks need to be liquidated sometimes, etc. etc.

It's just not feasible.

It would also damage the economy even further

[Nuntius]

This was posted in this thread a couple of pages back (by Topofthekey, post #1294, page 65, the initial post deserves all the credit) but I do believe that it is a very good video that deserves another post so more people see it:

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[Pharmcat]

OMG - and I was just dunking on Carlson.

Hell has frozen over....seriously

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tucker is a weird dude. hes anti war, but then he goes on these crazy view points

but even conservatives are seeing how ridiculous this is, so I am glad that dems and republicans can still agree on whats wrong at some level

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[LKN]

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Set those limit buys low and get your shorts ready

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