Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[DoubleLintendre]

No. I believe they were experimenting with, modifying them to make more deadly strands or specialized strands. Then there was an accidental breach or security meltdown.

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But...the two samples in that article aren't covid-19 related at all, and they've actually sequenced convid-19 and the designed bio weapon theory isn't true. So good news, you can stop believing that now.

I'm not saying it's these particular strains at all. Many things point to it being lab altered/made. They are KNOWN to purchase these and have a biological weapons testing lab close to the wet markets. It's really not the leap you're making it out to be. This is just more evidence that they buy and experiment with deadly , infectious diseases. Doesn't need to be the exact strand that Covid originated from.

Michael Osterholm, a public health scientist, appeared on Joe Rogan's cast. At 18:07 he says that this is not human made:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&t=1083&v=E3URhJx0NSw

Diseases can be tracked to an origin point with today's technology according to the clip. I think it's misunderstood how difficult it would be to engineer a disease that properly mutates from animal to human and spreads in a targeted fashion.

How many billions would it take to craft a virus that kills enough but not too much? Those resources can have directly controllable results if spent on technological warfare-- see Russia's impact on the last US election.

I would be very careful about being confident that an epidemic of this scale is someone's doing without hard evidence. Suspicion is not science. China schemes up a storm, but casually saying they unleashed a worldwide murder weapon is a different scale of evil.

[bwgood77]

Nope. In Italy all doctors and nurses work, even those confirmed to have it. They are only asked to quarantine if they are very symptomatic. In China they had doctors working 72 hour shifts wearing diapers and some died of exhaustion.

As for the economic news, the stock market should be kept closed until there is a significant reprieve or end to the Pandemic.

https://www.ccn.com/dow-jones-in-freefall-as-wall-street-begs-for-stock-market-shutdown/

Markets can't close. Retirees have to make withdrawals every month, stocks need to be liquidated sometimes, etc. etc.

It's just not feasible.

It would also damage the economy even further

If the choice is between a lack of liquidity for some retirees/pensioners/people who have assets in the stock market (which is not a majority of Americans, especially those who will be out of work), and a cascading chain of bank failures ala Bear-Sterans, then closing the market is far and away the better option.

Closing the market stabilizes the values at whatever they are (whether or not that matches reality) and would put a temporary halt to the economy. (which is what is happening regardless, so at least let's have the Stock Market reflect reality in that way)

But with so many people out of jobs, you don't think a lot of people may need liquidity? If you own a stock, you should be able to cash out. What if you lost your job and didn't have enough money to eat but had some stock holdings or a 401K account you'd have to take a hardship withdrawal on?

That's not much different than saying "they should close banks...NO withdrawals until we get through this....we can't have the banks going under".

[Pointgod]

Politicians who are shown to have used the info. they received from the intel meetings early on in this and used that for their financial advantage while publicly downplaying the health risk should be absolutely railroaded. Torn the **** apart. That is just about as bad as it gets as a public servant. Personal profit at the expense of the lives of Americans.

Every Democrat and Republican should agree. Whoever it is. No excuse.

Again, what information did they receive? Simply buying and selling stocks based on the publicly known information is not a crime. Everyone is jumping way too far ahead on an extremely limited amount of information.

But he came out and publicly said that America was in fact extremely well prepared to take on the virus. When he found out the opposite, he sold everything and didnt say anything to rebuke his earlier statement.

I'm not sure if its a crime, but its ridiculously unethical, and the people's ire is 100% warranted.

Oh it’s definitely illegal.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s2038/summary

And apparently Richard Burr was one of the only 3 Senators to vote against it. Pretty gross.

[mademan]

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She posted this after she sold off a chit ton of stock. Throw her in the cell next to Burr

[Jo Jo English]

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She posted this after she sold off a chit ton of stock. Throw her in the cell next to Burr

**** gross. Awful people.

You think people will chant "LOCK HER UP" for the next 5+ years?

I'm not holding my breath.

[Slacktard]

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She posted this after she sold off a chit ton of stock. Throw her in the cell next to Burr

Within HOURS of a private committe briefing about the danger and impact of Coronavirus she was dumping millions of dollars worth of stocks and bought 250k to 500k worth of a TeleHealth software stock for monitoring/reporting health issues remotely from a person's home to a health service.

And this was in LATE JANUARY.

[DoubleLintendre]

Senator Rofler showing us just how to keep that economy going strong!

[SactoKingsFan]

For those on full lockdown---are restaurants still open for takeout? Can you still drive to your local Panera and get a salad or soup?

Restaurants are just take out/ drive thru and some are closing.

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[Stillwater]

I see that certain places out of the USA sell Chloroquine online. The prices should spike through the roof soon. Dangerous to take without a doctor's supervision but some people will get desperate.

This won't work . imo it is a comfort response as of right now and they are testing it to see if it can be morphed into something for tempering symptoms enough to justify mass production but the key is it not a cure not a vaccine and so therefore absolutely not something that creates immunity.
without something to create immunity along side the fact this is spreading rapidly among all age groups now , having pain relieving Malaria drugs as bail out solutions for the sick won't get America or anywhere else back to normal.

Not gonna lie, amused at the idea of someone with symptoms taking this, reducing their symptoms to a point where they feel a lot better, so guess what?

Time to hit the beach, baby!!!

some reports suggested early on about positive tested people being released to quarantine hotels only to die days later with zero symptoms...I'd bet they were being administered these symptom masking meds or similar ones aka fake cures in China where this test info was born released as recovering and then died anyway because they were still positive.

[LKN]

Unreal....they'll be writing about this failure for decades

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[Metallikid]

Markets can't close. Retirees have to make withdrawals every month, stocks need to be liquidated sometimes, etc. etc.

It's just not feasible.

It would also damage the economy even further

If the choice is between a lack of liquidity for some retirees/pensioners/people who have assets in the stock market (which is not a majority of Americans, especially those who will be out of work), and a cascading chain of bank failures ala Bear-Sterans, then closing the market is far and away the better option.

Closing the market stabilizes the values at whatever they are (whether or not that matches reality) and would put a temporary halt to the economy. (which is what is happening regardless, so at least let's have the Stock Market reflect reality in that way)

But with so many people out of jobs, you don't think a lot of people may need liquidity? If you own a stock, you should be able to cash out. What if you lost your job and didn't have enough money to eat but had some stock holdings or a 401K account you'd have to take a hardship withdrawal on?

That's not much different than saying "they should close banks...NO withdrawals until we get through this....we can't have the banks going under".

Most of the people out of jobs do not have assets in the stock market in the first place, and if they did they have already lost a significant portion of them, with only the prospect of losing more and more. Closing the markets could actually help protect the value of many of those assets, especially pension funds.

When there are runs on the banks mark my words they will shut down; some branches entirely, some partially, but on the whole withdrawals will absolutely be limited.

Here is the historical comparison: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/29/business/greek-debt-crisis-european-central-bank.html

You simply cannot have banks going under right now because every single business and person that a given bank has given loans to will all simultaneously go bankrupt in that situation.

Keep in mind I am 1000% anti-usury, anti-speculation, anti-stock market, anti-Central Bank, anti-fiat currency. I'm a Marxist.

Unfortunately the time to put regulations and limits and to punish or dismantle or nationalize them was long ago, well before 2008, and well... here we are.

[Stillwater]

For those on full lockdown---are restaurants still open for takeout? Can you still drive to your local Panera and get a salad or soup?

Restaurants are just take out/ drive through and some are closing.

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Ohio local scientist was warning the virus can easily live on food packaging and if you have to eat carry out you need to leave everything in the bag 24 hrs then take it all out put it on plates and reheat it till very hot in case it's on the food.
F that I'd be fasting if I had no eats at home before I did that.

[LordCovington33]

Moving back to HK later this month. Need to wear an electronic monitoring device for two weeks during home quarantine. I need to test my temperature regularly and fill out a health questionnaire. After those two weeks, I need to undergo medical surveillance for a further two weeks. They take it seriously, which is good.

Keep us updated how it is there!

Latest directive is that ALL passengers arriving in HK will get a free test. If you are positive, you will be transported to a designated hospital and receive free medical treatment until you have recovered.

[SactoKingsFan]

For those on full lockdown---are restaurants still open for takeout? Can you still drive to your local Panera and get a salad or soup?

Restaurants are just take out/ drive through and some are closing.

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Ohio local scientist was warning the virus can easily live on food packaging and if you have to eat carry out you need to leave everything in the bag 24 hrs then take it all out put it on plates and reheat it till very hot in case it's on the food.
F that I'd be fasting if I had no eats at home before I did that.

Yeah, I've decided to just eat at home since last week. My parents will probably get food from drive thru and takeout. They still wanted to go out to lunch at a diner with some friends (mostly 60+) last weekend.

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[LKN]

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[OkcSinceSGA]

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[Richfield]

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[SimonFish]

YouTube has been accused of political censorship by a group of leading Hong Kong content creators who claim the streaming giant has been barring their politically charged video clips — including coronavirus-related content — from reaching advertisers.

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Videos with the restricted status are generally deemed unsuitable for ads, meaning income is either constrained or barred completely. Such videos are marked with a yellow dollar sign visible only to channel operators.

A discernible trend emerged following the escalation of the coronavirus outbreak in Asia in February, when videos began to link the pandemic with China’s political situation. Some creators estimate that income generated from their videos in February was down 50%-70% compared with previous months.

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Since January, a number of Hong Kong YouTube personalities have alleged China’s authoritarian politics were the cause of the initial cover-up around the emergence of novel coronavirus in Wuhan, as well as the delay in virus containment. They have also alleged that the Hong Kong government’s refusal to seal borders to mainland China prioritized politics over people’s safety.

Wong, whose February videos have all been given “limited or no ad” status, says he and others were told in the meeting that certain content was being demonetized as a result of an automated review system alongside stringent measures to control the spread of “fake news” and false information related to the coronavirus outbreak, rather than politics. Yet, none of the videos in question was taken down.

“It is an indirect form of censorship,” says Wong, who also suggests that some Chinese advertisers may have looked to silence commentators unwelcome in the eyes of Beijing.

More at link:
https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/hong-kong-creators-youtube-coronavirus-1203537882/amp/

[G R E Y]

I've been low carb (not full keto all the time, but try to keep net under say 50g a day) for 7 years.

Still 50 pounds lighter than when I started

Low carb works too. Good job. This isn't going to make any sense but I find it hard but simple. Really, logically, it's just giving up soda, rice, chips, pasta mostly. But once you slip up, it's easy to say screw it I messed up anyway and go off the rails completely.

My secret is cheat day. It do it at most once a week (unless on vacation). That way it's not like I'm never eating pizza again... but if I want it I have to wait until Saturday

OT but honestly I don't know how you all do it. My people are bread people. I'm not a confrontational person by nature, but if I cut carbs for a prolonged time, I feel like killing people. Not sure if it's genetics or what, but it does not work for me. You shouldn't be miserable with all the beautiful food combinations in the world, and that's the effect low carbs have on me. Mediterranean balance all the way. But whatever works for each person.

I just think giving up, for instance, Italian food, would never ever work. Ever. I'd rather work out more and enjoy the food. Not that you all don't, but as I sit enjoying a glass of Chianti and thinking of a new recipe for tomorrow, balancing out joyful experiences while socially distancing - it's one of the pleasures one can take full advantage of at home and create positive associations. But if that means some new Keto recipes for you gents, so be it. Cheers!

I've been low carb (not full keto all the time, but try to keep net under say 50g a day) for 7 years.

Still 50 pounds lighter than when I started

Low carb works too. Good job. This isn't going to make any sense but I find it hard but simple. Really, logically, it's just giving up soda, rice, chips, pasta mostly. But once you slip up, it's easy to say screw it I messed up anyway and go off the rails completely.

gotta get rid of the dairy too, man. its evil. processed/refined sugar. any added sugar.

coconut milk is a godsend. soda is the devil in liquid form.

Interesting. See, my people are dairy people, too. I love cheese, yogurt, but don't particularly take to milk. That said, I LOVE kefir in those times when my stomach isn't feeling quite right. Crave it, and it works. Funny how people gravitate to different food sources to get what they need.

[jason bourne]

Some light news about the virus:



Elephants break into farm in self-isolation and get drunk on whisky

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/coronavirus-elephants-break-farm-self-21719583

Is this the next shortage of foods?

Jeez, I better get my pizzas and mint chocolate chip ice cream.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/companies/americans-are-flocking-to-the-safety-of-comfort-foods/ar-BB11qK7U