Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread III (Info. Post 1)

[LKN]

Might be an overreaction in California however NY has more cases and is less populous, so your question is legit.

It's honestly hard to say without knowing what data he's looking at.

NYC (including public transit) likely can not be totally shutdown without crippling the health care system.

I work for the public transportation system here in NYC. I'm a train conductor. A lot of my fellow CO workers including myself are furious at the lack of care for our health and safety exhibited by the governor and mayor. They're not even really addressing the transit workers in most of their press conferences. As of yesterday it was reported already 23 of us have tested positive for COVID19 which is probably a lot lower than what it actually is.. and that number will only grow..rapidly since we deal with the public in our everyday job duties. Yes ridership is way down since the pandemic, but the homeless are still riding these trains non stop as well as regular every day folk. My anxiety is at an all time high reporting to work these days not knowing if I'm coming home with something that could harm my family

Best wishes to you - stay safe. I can't imagine what you guys are going through.

I will say that what you are doing is heroic - just like EMS, Police, Doctors, people working at grocery stores. I'm guessing that many doctors/nurses are depending on you guys to get them to the hospital.

I definitely hope they come up with some safety guidelines and equipment for folks like you who have to be exposed to others on a daily basis.

[basketballRob]

He doesn't realize that it's everywhere and NY is the only city testing.

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I'm sure it's everywhere, but I think NYC is one of the worst hotspots.

They are going to be out of ICU beds quite soon.

In 7-14 days no one will be saying we are over-reacting anymore..... in fact people will be wondering why we didn't do more

You very well could be right, but people have been saying here we will be dying by the thousands in 7-14 days.....7-14 days ago. The hospitals are a **** show though. I know plenty working on the front lines and the biggest problem is soooo many people are going to them with no symptoms and it’s taking up valuable time

And before anyone jumps down my throat again.....yesterday I donated 1200 n95 masks to hospitals and fire departments. I’m a retailer so easily could have made a lot when I got this shipment in, but a couple thousand dollars isn’t worth seeing nurses and emts use handkerchiefs for protection


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Thanks for doing that.

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[ThumbsUpBaby]

This will be a hell of a history class 50-100 years from now

In the U.S, most likely way before 50 years. 9/11 is taught in history classes now (even in colleges), and it still feels like it happened not too long ago for me.

[DowJones]

I keep asking this...why hasn’t Andrew Cuomo done what the state of California has done? Why is NY not under complete lockdown? And why has the media not forced this issue? What am I missing and can any New Yorker explain this? It’s terrible leadership.

Might be an overreaction in California however NY has more cases and is less populous, so your question is legit.

It's honestly hard to say without knowing what data he's looking at.

NYC (including public transit) likely can not be totally shutdown without crippling the health care system.

You can keep urgent parts of the city open. Why hasn’t Cuomo done this? He keeps talking about how much of an emergency this is. New Yorkers are telling everyone how dire the circumstances are. Take the necessary steps NOW. What is Cuomo waiting on? This is terrible leadership.

[LKN]

This is I-don't-have-words-for level of vile - in a time of worst need, too...

I think the word you're looking for is fascist. If it's something that you think only Hitler would be vile enough to do, fascist is the word.

Wow. How did this get two upvotes?

Fascist is probably not the right word - but it's definitely evil and immoral.

[basketballRob]

I keep asking this...why hasn’t Andrew Cuomo done what the state of California has done? Why is NY not under complete lockdown? And why has the media not forced this issue? What am I missing and can any New Yorker explain this? It’s terrible leadership.

You have to look at how many icu beds you have. Nearly 20% of the cases need an icu bed. The closer it looks like they'll be over full the tighter the restrictions get.

Soon we'll all be on complete lockdown because people will be dying on the street.

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[GordanFreeman]

But you forget...orange man bad and this is all his fault.

He's done a terrible job in terms of preparing for and responding to the virus. Keep denying that all you want.

Look at the worldwide numbers and past U.S. epidemics. You’d be hard pressed to find another leader who reacted as strongly, and closed borders as rapidly saving millions like the Trump admin. The response to H1N1 from Obama/Biden was exponentially worse. But keep watching CNN I guess...

Orange man’s own words and actions implicate home. And saved millions?? At least try to sound believable.
Edit: I’m an idiot for arguing with a bot.

[SimonFish]

For those who believe in China's numbers:

Executive director and chairman Yang Jie said the epidemic has affected the company's overall business, with the total number of mobile customers decreasing by 7.25 million last month while 4G users fell by 12 million.

Source:
https://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news/section/2/217424/China-Mobile-profit-dips-9pc-to-106b-yuan

Note: China Mobile is the largest mobile phone service operator in China.

For comparison, China Mobile has recorded an increase in customers each month until the coronavirus outbreak (sorry the image is in Chinese, but Y axis stands for the monthly increase / decrease of customers in '000):



Coincidence? I think not.

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[DowJones]

Closing the borders absolutely saved lives. Anyone that disputes it, at this point, is arguing with science. Anthony Fauci even agrees. That was a REALLY good, and important, move by the President...one that actually got him branded as a racist a few weeks ago.

Trump has NOT been perfect in this. He was slow overall in his response. I think his response has been MUCH better than the NY Times and MSNBC would have you believe, but it has been far from perfect. I really wish he would talk about 75% less during his daily briefings.

[DowJones]

And we shouldn't believe China at all. This virus came from their DISGUSTING wet markets and they are doing anything and everything they can to try and change the narrative, including blaming the United States military.

[ShazamDaShiznt]

Apparently now blaming china for virus outbreak is being racist gotta love the so soft generation of people.

[Crizzle]

again,

Read on Twitter

[scrabbarista]

Please educate yourselves, everyone. This video is barely more than ten minutes long and is loaded with vital information about the World Health Organization - particularly its director-general. If you value the advice or information of the World Health Organization, you owe it to yourself to watch this.

Watch on YouTube

Use logic and common sense when you evaluate the information you receive. Also listen to your intuition, spirit, ventromedial prefrontal cortex, or whatever you want to call that part of yourself. (If you think you're "too smart" for intuition, look up all the things Albert Einstein had to say about it.) Do your best to see things as they are, instead of merely being overwhelmed by whatever information is "flooding your zone." (That exact phrase was used at least eight times during last October's Event 201 in reference to a strategy of information control during a hypothetical pandemic.) Remember that birds of a feather flock together. Make connections. Think for yourself.

Finally, whatever your spiritual beliefs, I implore you to consider these words and take them to heart:

"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee."

[ShazamDaShiznt]

Closing the borders absolutely saved lives. Anyone that disputes it, at this point, is arguing with science. Anthony Fauci even agrees. That was a REALLY good, and important, move by the President...one that actually got him branded as a racist a few weeks ago.

Trump has NOT been perfect in this. He was slow overall in his response. I think his response has been MUCH better than the NY Times and MSNBC would have you believe, but it has been far from perfect. I really wish he would talk about 75% less during his daily briefings.

closing borders is the number one thing that many countries with plenty of chinese living there should have done a while ago. North italy has about 100 thousand chinese workers making gucci bags and other things in places around Milan. They did NOTHING when these people were travelling to celebrate CNY. This is another situation of greed messing up things. And then it went to other european places for example many first corona cases were from majority of people travelling to italy and coming back home.

[basketballRob]

Closing the borders absolutely saved lives. Anyone that disputes it, at this point, is arguing with science. Anthony Fauci even agrees. That was a REALLY good, and important, move by the President...one that actually got him branded as a racist a few weeks ago.

Trump has NOT been perfect in this. He was slow overall in his response. I think his response has been MUCH better than the NY Times and MSNBC would have you believe, but it has been far from perfect. I really wish he would talk about 75% less during his daily briefings.

The media praised him for that and say he's been a complete failure at everything else.

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[ThumbsUpBaby]

I'm so glad the mayor of LA is talking right now. THERE ARE NO SHORTAGES OF FOOD AND SUPPLIES. STOP HOARDING

Take the word of an Australian supermarket worker; you need product limits and even then you have to watch for people coming in 2-3 times a day.

This. I work at a farmers market. I've already caught a person purchasing rice 3 times in separate orders despite our restrictions. There are customers asking me why I don't have any rice and beans in stock, pretty much expecting me to put them in the bins out of thin air. These are the same hoarders who helped cause panic buying.

[DowJones]

Yes, Italy is getting hit HARD because they refused to close their borders. Many people from China live in Italy and they all came back from China after their Chinese New Year ended. It was a HUGE mistake that cost thousands of lives.

[basketballRob]

Yes, Italy is getting hit HARD because they refused to close their borders. Many people from China live in Italy and they all came back from China after their Chinese New Year ended. It was a HUGE mistake that cost thousands of lives.

Everyone including the liberal media said closing the border was a good move. You're arguing with yourself

Trump was only rallying his base, like you, when he said, the liberal media are saying stopping flights from China was racist. The liberal media haven't been saying that.

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[LKN]

Closing the borders absolutely saved lives. Anyone that disputes it, at this point, is arguing with science. Anthony Fauci even agrees. That was a REALLY good, and important, move by the President...one that actually got him branded as a racist a few weeks ago.

Trump has NOT been perfect in this. He was slow overall in his response. I think his response has been MUCH better than the NY Times and MSNBC would have you believe, but it has been far from perfect. I really wish he would talk about 75% less during his daily briefings.

Except that he didn't close the borders - that's simply factually untrue.

From https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/


For starters, health experts say Trump was wrong to refer to the travel restrictions as a “travel ban,” as he did in a telephone interview on March 4 with Fox News’ Sean Hannity. During a town hall on March 5, Trump said he “closed down the borders to China and to other areas that are very badly affected.” That’s not accurate.

As Azar explained when he announced the travel restrictions on Jan. 31, the policy prohibits non-U.S. citizens, other than the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents, who have traveled to China within the last two weeks from entering the U.S.

At a House subcommittee hearing on the coronavirus on Feb. 5, Ron Klain, White House Ebola response coordinator under the Obama administration, took issue with the characterization of the travel restrictions as a travel “ban.”

“We don’t have a travel ban,” Klain said. “We have a travel Band-Aid right now. First, before it was imposed, 300,000 people came here from China in the previous month. So, the horse is out of the barn.”

“There’s no restriction on Americans going back and forth,” Klain said. “There are warnings. People should abide by those warnings. But today, 30 planes will land in Los Angeles that either originated in Beijing or came here on one-stops, 30 in San Francisco, 25 in New York City. Okay? So, unless we think that the color of the passport someone carries is a meaningful public health restriction, we have not placed a meaningful public health restriction.”

Indeed, on Jan. 24, a week before the travel restrictions, the CDC confirmed two cases of the novel coronavirus in the U.S. from people who had returned from Wuhan, China, where the outbreak began.

Furthermore, Klain said, the import of goods from China is exempt from the travel restrictions, “and, of course, the people who fly the planes and drive the boats that bring those goods from China. We couldn’t ban that activity. We vitally need that. Ninety percent of the antibiotics in this country come from China. All kinds of vital medical supplies … we will use to treat people. So, travel bans … that’s not what we’re imposing, that’s not what exists.”

As part of the travel restrictions, Azar announced that any U.S. citizen returning to the U.S. who had been in Hubei Province in China in the previous 14 days would be subject to mandatory quarantine and health screening. U.S. citizens returning from mainland China outside Hubei Province were ordered to undergo health screenings and “up to 14 days of monitored self-quarantine to ensure they’ve not contracted the virus and do not pose a public health risk,” Azar said.

At the time the restrictions were announced, there were only six confirmed cases of the novel virus in the U.S. The outbreak, which began in Wuhan, China, at the end of 2019, has now spread to more than 70 countries, including the U.S. According to a Johns Hopkins University case tracker and a New York Times database, as of March 6, more than 250 people in the U.S. have been infected with the new disease, known as COVID-19, and at least 14 have died.

[DowJones]

Closing the borders absolutely saved lives. Anyone that disputes it, at this point, is arguing with science. Anthony Fauci even agrees. That was a REALLY good, and important, move by the President...one that actually got him branded as a racist a few weeks ago.

Trump has NOT been perfect in this. He was slow overall in his response. I think his response has been MUCH better than the NY Times and MSNBC would have you believe, but it has been far from perfect. I really wish he would talk about 75% less during his daily briefings.

The media praised him for that and say he's been a complete failure at everything else.

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This is absolutely not true. Facts matter and the media did not praise Trump, at the time, for closing the borders. Maybe FoxNews did, but they favor the President no matter what he does.

The problem is that you have 3 main news outlets in this country on TV. 2 are VERY liberal and lean towards an extremely positive view of democrats and an extremely negative view of conservatives. Those 2 outlets are CNN and MSNBC. Then you have the opposite with FoxNews. They favor conservatives very heavily and they are very negative towards liberals.

Its crazy. I actually like MSNBC the most because of the analysts they have but they are EXTREMELY biased in their coverage.