Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

[LKN]

Not to de-rail too much but I've never understood why people would be against things like this. There was some talk of it in Australia years back (one senator didn't like that new legislation wouldn't allow welfare recipients to spend that money on smokes, porn and alcohol for example) but...like, this stuff isn't free. You need to know you're not just giving it to someone so they can piss it away on whatever vices might have landed them in that situation to begin with. Welfare is more or less to keep you alive. To keep you fed and sheltered. It's not, nor should it ever be, simply a wad of cash handed to people who can't support themselves.

Would it be insulting to some people? Sure, I can imagine being annoyed by it myself. But it's necessary to ensure the system functions properly and everyone follows the rules.

EDIT: I'll amend this slightly. Didn't realise it was food stamps and not general welfare, which would already be a measure to ensure people are using the stuff correctly. So yeah, drug tests on top might be excessive. I'm not sure I'd call it cruel though.

I can tell you exactly why we shouldn't do it (some places have tried it and it's done almost nothing)

- It doesn't work (almost no one tests positive - so it saves almost no money)
- It's stupid to starve people's kids because they do drugs
- It's a giant waste of money (since again, almost no one tests positive so the money spent to test people is wasted)
- It's means treating anyone who needs help like a subhuman.

Stigmatizing being poor is just dumb and counterproductive.

I won't go in too deep because I don't want to de-rail. All I'll say is that I disagree that tests like this inherently stigmatize being poor and even just the threat of them can serve a purpose.

It's probably a topic for the CA board - I will tell you there is almost no evidence that supports your point of view and a mountain of evidence that supports mine. (I actually am against this more for practical reasons than moral reasons... I just see it as a useless waste of money and resources)

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[EvanZ]

We are in big trouble. Shelter in place if you can, especially if you are in the NYC area.

We still are testing almost no one and the results are terrifying:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

NY alone had 3,031 new cases yesterday.

Best wishes to all - stay safe and as hard as it is... try to get a good nights sleep (esp if you are in the NYC area). Sleep really does help your immune system

But they said Don't Panic. It's just a flu.

[Zenzibar]

Why isn't the U.S., Russia, China, Japan, U.K., India, Cuba and other nations not working together to figure this sht out?

This is a stupid lack of Global leadership, where the fk is the U.N.? It's only good for sanctions and being a puppet?

[Driguez]

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Well FL peeps, wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the weekend this was official.

[Optimus_Steel]

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Well FL peeps, wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the weekend this was official.

Yup that's what I told my wife. They will announce it sometime this weekend.

[shangrila]

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[LKN]

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Well FL peeps, wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the weekend this was official.

FL is going to be an absolute disaster. Super at risk population and they did not take it seriously.

I'm pretty happy I live in NC. Our governor acted pretty early (although we still aren't shut down enough) and our positive rate has been pretty low so far.

[Optimus_Steel]

We are in big trouble. Shelter in place if you can, especially if you are in the NYC area.

We still are testing almost no one and the results are terrifying:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

NY alone had 3,031 new cases yesterday.

Best wishes to all - stay safe and as hard as it is... try to get a good nights sleep (esp if you are in the NYC area). Sleep really does help your immune system

But they said Don't Panic. It's just a flu.

You don't have doctors dying during a normal flu.

[shangrila]

Why isn't the U.S., Russia, China, Japan, U.K., India, Cuba and other nations not working together to figure this sht out?

This is a stupid lack of Global leadership, where the fk is the U.N.? It's only good for sanctions and being a puppet?

I think they are, but it's the scientific community that's doing that. Governments in general are dealing with the crisis unfolding in their own countries. Can't really afford to do much else right now.

And the UN has always been a paper tiger. All the countries just go along with it cause everyone else does it.

[shangrila]

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Good excuse not to get invaded by MLG pros in Dark Souls.

Also might cripple this new "games as a service" BS they've been trending towards in recent years.

[Hakeemthegoat]

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So progressive.

[bwgood77]

Which has more crowds? Waiting for a pizza in your car or in the walk up window? Or the lines at your local grocery store?

Somebody puts the food in the bag too at the grocery store, and scans it across the scanner (although if you have self checkout seems like a good time). But still you're touching all these things. With pizza, run your card, grab your hot pizza, and go!

You have a point. I'll admit wrestling with rationality and emotion when making decisions. A post earlier in this thread gave a link to a study about how the virus does on surfaces. Cardboard (i.e. pizza boxes) was the least hospitable surface for the virus if I remember right, so there's something to be said for getting pizza.

Sorry if I'm about to scare you;

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Lasts for up to 3 hours on cardboard, at least according to this video.

I've read up to 24 hours on cardboard. Read it after I got a package in a box today and had to open it....but unfortunately after I got it out of the mailbox and opened it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/health/coronavirus-surfaces-aerosols.html

[E-Balla]

The thing i cant get past though is these test and death ratios are based on those who were just sick enough to get looked at. How many out there that went through it already possibly without knowing would decrease the death rate.

I mean theres gotta be way more infected just walking around that if could be added to the poll would drastically drop that death percentage

H1N1 killed around 4000 people in America, where's these fake numbers even coming from? Like we were all alive for that epidemic, how can anyone fall for such a blatant lie?

Apologies my 22,500 was wrong, I just double checked, but so was your 4000 number. That 4K was for the first month of it. So I hope you apply the logic of your statement above to yourself also.

From the CDC.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that from April 12, 2009 to April 10, 2010, there were 60.8 million cases, 274,000 hospitalizations, and 12,469 deaths (0.02% case fatality rate) in the United States due to the virus.[117]

Of course. Thanks for the correction.

[E-Balla]

After the worst is over, countries around the world should join and put sanctions against the fascist Chinese ethnostate for hiding this.

This will only exacerbate the problem. What we need to do is attempt to ban China from running these animal markets not punishing their poor. Like didn't we just go through sanctions with China? Why would anyone think this would work?

They've already banned wild animal markets, but the Chinese government is going to have to be actively vigilant in preventing black market activity.

China banned them during the SARS outbreak too, then legalized it once it passed. We can't let them do that again.

[zonedefense]

Why isn't the U.S., Russia, China, Japan, U.K., India, Cuba and other nations not working together to figure this sht out?

This is a stupid lack of Global leadership, where the fk is the U.N.? It's only good for sanctions and being a puppet?

Wait a minute. So america 1st does not work? We need global solutions for global problems? Mindblowing.

[thelead]

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Well FL peeps, wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the weekend this was official.

FL is going to be an absolute disaster. Super at risk population and they did not take it seriously.

I'm pretty happy I live in NC. Our governor acted pretty early (although we still aren't shut down enough) and our positive rate has been pretty low so far.

With the amount of tourism that happens here in Orlando, I’m pretty sure we’re F’ed by now anyway. The 34 year old that died the other day contracted the virus while here.

[Richfield]

Why isn't the U.S., Russia, China, Japan, U.K., India, Cuba and other nations not working together to figure this sht out?

This is a stupid lack of Global leadership, where the fk is the U.N.? It's only good for sanctions and being a puppet?

Oh you didn't notice? The US works with nobody anymore. It's "America First", and the blame game "CHINAA".

No chance. That's why some feel we are much less safe with this current... uh.. philosophy. Let me try not to talk politics. Bt just trying to answer your question.

Although I will say Cuomo mentioned he's been in touch with other countries. But that's not going to happen from the top.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[LKN]

I knew people would start talking - this is incredibly damning.

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