Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

[Metallikid]

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[basketballRob]

Lasts for up to 3 hours on cardboard, at least according to this video.

Thanks for that!

I believe it even said 24 hours in the video, about the cardboard.

In the context of Pizza, I think it really depends on the operation, how much contact people have with the cardboard, how long they work with it, how many, if they're using protective stuff, etc. For instance I'd prefer a quick takeout to delivery. Less time with the driver. And other little details.

But sometimes gut feelings can be dead wrong. Will always keep that in mind.

Amazon packages always come in a box

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[bwgood77]

You must also consciously remind yourself to not touch the mask to reduce bacterial contamination. I always found them irritating around the nose and wanted to scratch but you just got to remind yourself not to.

Yeah, that might be tough. But it seems when I go into a grocery store I kind of get my alert up about what I touch. I'm sure I will mess up and actually scratch my nose or something once. I imagine it is still better to do that while in a grocery store than to scratch your nose or touch face in grocery store without a mask or glove though. But for mask preservation purposes, I have to remember that.

Another problem with those white and blue surgical masks is that they aren't marked for jnside or outside. You see a lot of blue facing out in photos and around, but often times the blue is supposed to be on the inside. The smoother filter side goes out and the fuzzier paper-towel feeling side goes against your face, so that it traps what you're exhaling. Those are more for protecting others from the wearer than vice versa, but more than one study shows that they are fairly effective at flu virus protection also, when worn properly.

The chubbier your face and chin are, the better the seal it will make around the outside

Yes, I know the surgical ones are more for surgeons not to spread their cough/sneeze or anything an infect a patient during surgery, so it trapping what you exhale makes sense. But if you were wearing it for protection, even though it's obviously not something to expect to feel safe by, does it make sense to wear it the same way? Or should it be the reverse since inhaling is the reverse of exhaling and the towel side might stop stuff more effectively than the smooth part. I know it's designed to be right against your face though to immediately stop it.

I imagine the answer will be to wear it the right way which would obviously be the case if I never knew if I had it, and for the foreseeable future, we will never really know that we don't have it, because even test results are delayed and you could have it then. The only thing would be knowing you've developed antibodies and immunity....so never knowing if you are a carrier makes it smarter to wear the right way regardless of the answer I suppose.

[basketballRob]

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Well FL peeps, wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the weekend this was official.

Yup that's what I told my wife. They will announce it sometime this weekend.

What does that even mean

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[basketballRob]

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Well FL peeps, wouldn't be surprised if by the end of the weekend this was official.

FL is going to be an absolute disaster. Super at risk population and they did not take it seriously.

I'm pretty happy I live in NC. Our governor acted pretty early (although we still aren't shut down enough) and our positive rate has been pretty low so far.

I told my boss today that NY and CA have been put in lock down and eventually that will find its way to Florida. He is a boomer in denial.

Hopefully the heat slows it a little. We've had a small heat wave.

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[basketballRob]

Naw. I'm more of a centrist who recently switched after they rigged the last two DNC campaigns. I'm in favor of multiple progressive social policies. I'm a weird guy lol.

Well you sound open minded - which is all I can really ask of people.

Thanks. I was a registered Dem until last year! Regardless I've grown cynical towards both parties. Neither ultimately give a **** about us sadly. We are seeing them all play politics over and over again. Anyway I don't want Dirk to have to warn me so I'll get back on topic.

Man that's nuts. 35k out of pocket for uninsured Covid. If that doesn't tell you our system is broken, not sure what does. I don't feel bad for these huge institutions anymore. They charged me $300 for a PILLOW to stay in the ER one night before.

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I have a home in Florida that's protected under bankruptcy laws. If i get a huge hospital bill , I'll just throw it on the pile of credit card bills and not pay any of them.

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[EvanZ]

This is a really good interview that is worth reading. Ignore the headline - most of it is not political - there's a lot of good information

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I already knew Doctor Who helped defeat Smallpox. I saw that episode.

[shangrila]

These crybaby airlines can deal with it like the rest of everybody else. Gov't has bigger priorities right now, like people. If they need to stay grounded for a while so be it.

Country has been talking about new rail infrastructure for YEARS if not decades. What a better time, when people need jobs? After this thing is under control of course. Let the gov't put their money into THAT.

Airlines should worry about figuring out a healthier way to fly before asking for bailout money. People always getting sick on airlines. And I'm not just talking corona. Step up the air filter and circulation game. Something!

If you build it.. we will come. (along just fine).

Talking out of my behind but that's okay in this case. I might be right.

The issue is the employees that would lose their income. They'd go on unemployment which would put a further strain on the government when they're (or should be) scrambling to keep the economy afloat.

I'm not saying I agree with the way they've acted, almost holding their employees as a ransom, but the threat is real and significant.

Unemployment is paid by the state.

Two things;

A bit of semantics. State or federal, either way it puts a strain on some kind of government.
Unemployment will also lead to people being less likely to spend the money they are getting, which would further hurt the economy.

[shangrila]

Dr Evil voice : "How about noooo!

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What would you do with a crashed internet? It would be like we were living in the 80s!

You haven't lived if you haven't downloaded porn over a 2400 baud modem

Ha, yeah, I remember doing it with dial up. The first porn I ever downloaded was like 15 minutes long and took over 3 hours to download (still not sure how I explained that to my parents at the time). Now you can get a 3hr HD movie in like 5 minutes.

[shangrila]

It's pretty clear that the entire western world isn't ready for a crisis like this. The big thing will be what we do once this is over. We need to put protocols in place and we need to contribute part of our military budget into preparation for the next virus.

To be fair I don't think anyone was prepared for a global epidemic. The only thing likely keeping numbers down is the lack of testing globally. I'm sure a lot of 3rd world countries are struggling just as hard, it's just not plastered all over the news.

[gavran]

What would you do with a crashed internet? It would be like we were living in the 80s!

You haven't lived if you haven't downloaded porn over a 2400 baud modem

Ha, yeah, I remember doing it with dial up. The first porn I ever downloaded was like 15 minutes long and took over 3 hours to download (still not sure how I explained that to my parents at the time). Now you can get a 3hr HD movie in like 5 minutes.

Who downloads a 3 hours long porn movie? Even 15 minutes is pushing it.

[Metallikid]

The issue is the employees that would lose their income. They'd go on unemployment which would put a further strain on the government when they're (or should be) scrambling to keep the economy afloat.

I'm not saying I agree with the way they've acted, almost holding their employees as a ransom, but the threat is real and significant.

Unemployment is paid by the state.

Two things;

A bit of semantics. State or federal, either way it puts a strain on some kind of government.
Unemployment will also lead to people being less likely to spend the money they are getting, which would further hurt the economy.

That doesn't make any sense. If you're unemployed you need that money to spend on food and utilities at the very least. There is zero incentive to not spend that money right now. Unless you think unemployed people have a bunch of supplies saved up and they're gonna hold onto that cheque to take a cruise when this is all over.

What you're actually describing is exactly what rich people do when they're given tax breaks...

[ImSlower]

You haven't lived if you haven't downloaded porn over a 2400 baud modem

Ha, yeah, I remember doing it with dial up. The first porn I ever downloaded was like 15 minutes long and took over 3 hours to download (still not sure how I explained that to my parents at the time). Now you can get a 3hr HD movie in like 5 minutes.

Who downloads a 3 hours long porn movie? Even 15 minutes is pushing it.

More like pulling it. /sprints off stage

[basketballRob]

Over 600 deaths in Italy the last 24 hrs and we have 5x the population. We're like a couple weeks behind them.

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[Paija]

A wise leader surrounds himself with people smarter than him and then listens to their advice. Sorry about derailing.

A bit from my country - we in Latvia have not locked down everything (like stores and businesses), but the schools, entertainment, public gatherings. Emergency situation was announced on March 12th. Government agencies work, but do not accept any visitors. International travel was stopped since 17th. They ask everyone that comes from abroad (not specifying any countries anymore) to self-isolate and local police is checking on people (or neighbours complain if someone is not self-quarantining).
In stores or any public place you should keep 2 m distance. After the closing the borders we still evacuating people from abroad.

Have increased testing. We have made just 4500 tests (in a country of 2 million) 124 cases positive (March 20). But not everyone can be tested. Initially it was possible (for 84 eur in a private lab), but since then all capacities are only for those with symptoms or coming from abroad. You cannot go to ER or hospital or doctor yourself to get tested. If you have dangerous symptoms they bring you to hospital. In other cases - drive -in tests by appointment or special team goes to your home to take test. Most of cases are mild and stay at home. Just a couple of them were hospitalized. No one has died yet, but all the hospitals stopped any treatments and surgeries that are not urgent to keep space.

We are probably overreacting, but from reading what goes around we are just doing what is right.
From when we had 111 cases (March 19), majority were younger people (3 aged 0-9, 5 aged 10-19, 30 aged 20-29, 36 aged 30-39, 21 aged 40-49, 9 aged 50-59 and just 7 over 60), because most contracted when skiing in Italy.
The emergency situation was announced when we had less than 20 cases!:

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Up to now they say that there are come cases with local transmissions (family members or others in close contact). Up to now they also say that it is possible to see the spread (where every case got it). So I keep fingers crossed and continue working from home (I am self-employed accountant).

[Nuntius]

A wise leader surrounds himself with people smarter than him and then listens to their advice. Sorry about derailing.

A bit from my country - we in Latvia have not locked down everything (like stores and businesses), but the schools, entertainment, public gatherings. Emergency situation was announced on March 12th. Government agencies work, but do not accept any visitors. International travel was stopped since 17th. They ask everyone that comes from abroad (not specifying any countries anymore) to self-isolate and local police is checking on people (or neighbours complain if someone is not self-quarantining).
In stores or any public place you should keep 2 m distance. After the closing the borders we still evacuating people from abroad.

Have increased testing. We have made just 4500 tests (in a country of 2 million) 124 cases positive (March 20). But not everyone can be tested. Initially it was possible (for 84 eur in a private lab), but since then all capacities are only for those with symptoms or coming from abroad. You cannot go to ER or hospital or doctor yourself to get tested. If you have dangerous symptoms they bring you to hospital. In other cases - drive -in tests by appointment or special team goes to your home to take test. Most of cases are mild and stay at home. Just a couple of them were hospitalized. No one has died yet, but all the hospitals stopped any treatments and surgeries that are not urgent to keep space.

We are probably overreacting, but from reading what goes around we are just doing what is right.
From when we had 111 cases (March 19), majority were younger people (3 aged 0-9, 5 aged 10-19, 30 aged 20-29, 36 aged 30-39, 21 aged 40-49, 9 aged 50-59 and just 7 over 60), because most contracted when skiing in Italy.
The emergency situation was announced when we had less than 20 cases!:

Read on Twitter

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Up to now they say that there are come cases with local transmissions (family members or others in close contact). Up to now they also say that it is possible to see the spread (where every case got it). So I keep fingers crossed and continue working from home (I am self-employed accountant).

You are not overreacting at all, in my opinion. Taking measures as quickly as possible is key.

[LKN]

A wise leader surrounds himself with people smarter than him and then listens to their advice. Sorry about derailing.

A bit from my country - we in Latvia have not locked down everything (like stores and businesses), but the schools, entertainment, public gatherings. Emergency situation was announced on March 12th. Government agencies work, but do not accept any visitors. International travel was stopped since 17th. They ask everyone that comes from abroad (not specifying any countries anymore) to self-isolate and local police is checking on people (or neighbours complain if someone is not self-quarantining).
In stores or any public place you should keep 2 m distance. After the closing the borders we still evacuating people from abroad.

Have increased testing. We have made just 4500 tests (in a country of 2 million) 124 cases positive (March 20). But not everyone can be tested. Initially it was possible (for 84 eur in a private lab), but since then all capacities are only for those with symptoms or coming from abroad. You cannot go to ER or hospital or doctor yourself to get tested. If you have dangerous symptoms they bring you to hospital. In other cases - drive -in tests by appointment or special team goes to your home to take test. Most of cases are mild and stay at home. Just a couple of them were hospitalized. No one has died yet, but all the hospitals stopped any treatments and surgeries that are not urgent to keep space.

We are probably overreacting, but from reading what goes around we are just doing what is right.
From when we had 111 cases (March 19), majority were younger people (3 aged 0-9, 5 aged 10-19, 30 aged 20-29, 36 aged 30-39, 21 aged 40-49, 9 aged 50-59 and just 7 over 60), because most contracted when skiing in Italy.
The emergency situation was announced when we had less than 20 cases!:

Read on Twitter

/photo/1

Up to now they say that there are come cases with local transmissions (family members or others in close contact). Up to now they also say that it is possible to see the spread (where every case got it). So I keep fingers crossed and continue working from home (I am self-employed accountant).

You are not overreacting at all, in my opinion. Taking measures as quickly as possible is key.

My rule - If you don't feel like you are overreacting you are probably underreacting

[shangrila]

You haven't lived if you haven't downloaded porn over a 2400 baud modem

Ha, yeah, I remember doing it with dial up. The first porn I ever downloaded was like 15 minutes long and took over 3 hours to download (still not sure how I explained that to my parents at the time). Now you can get a 3hr HD movie in like 5 minutes.

Who downloads a 3 hours long porn movie? Even 15 minutes is pushing it.

I meant a general movie, like something you rent of iTunes. Not porn, though I get the confusion. My bad.

[shangrila]

Unemployment is paid by the state.

Two things;

A bit of semantics. State or federal, either way it puts a strain on some kind of government.
Unemployment will also lead to people being less likely to spend the money they are getting, which would further hurt the economy.

That doesn't make any sense. If you're unemployed you need that money to spend on food and utilities at the very least. There is zero incentive to not spend that money right now. Unless you think unemployed people have a bunch of supplies saved up and they're gonna hold onto that cheque to take a cruise when this is all over.

What you're actually describing is exactly what rich people do when they're given tax breaks...

No, they'll spend on the essentials and only the essentials. But that isn't the problem with the economy because EVERYONE will be spending on the essentials. The issue is with other areas, for example restaurants. You think unemployed people will be ordering takeout? So that's less people supporting businesses that will already be struggling.

[basketballRob]

Warning to all:

Do not read this posters' math/stats as informative or reliable. Constantly presents misleading numbers, statements, and inferences. (presents unrelated data/variables and infers therefore inaccurate extrapolations).

If/when he throws in some real data or projections to infer this warning post is false, READ AT YOUR OWN RISK! Ask for sources and to show his work with this poster, each and every time.

627 deaths in Italy the last 24 hours. We have 5× the population than they do. <--- here


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My post has been edited already in his response there

It's hard to post numbers like that, but it's the reality of what's going on. Just be careful everyone.

Plus are you even a moderator?

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