Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

[Colbinii]

It's pretty clear that the entire western world isn't ready for a crisis like this. The big thing will be what we do once this is over. We need to put protocols in place and we need to contribute part of our military budget into preparation for the next virus.

To be fair I don't think anyone was prepared for a global epidemic. The only thing likely keeping numbers down is the lack of testing globally. I'm sure a lot of 3rd world countries are struggling just as hard, it's just not plastered all over the news.

Multiple countries were prepared [Vietnam, South Korea as 2 examples].

[First Step]

It's pretty clear that the entire western world isn't ready for a crisis like this. The big thing will be what we do once this is over. We need to put protocols in place and we need to contribute part of our military budget into preparation for the next virus.

To be fair I don't think anyone was prepared for a global epidemic. The only thing likely keeping numbers down is the lack of testing globally. I'm sure a lot of 3rd world countries are struggling just as hard, it's just not plastered all over the news.

Multiple countries were prepared [Vietnam, South Korea as 2 examples].

South Korea still had a crazy outbreak, where they were on lockdown. Death rate is similar to that of America. Most people just want any reason they can to throw shade at Trump. He hasn't handled this great, but anyone who says that we would be partying on the beach for the spring break if only Hillary, Bernie, or Biden was in charge is just false. This is happening globally.

[chrismikayla]

I have everything I need except chicken and other meat. Honestly it's probably safer to go to the drive through of a restaurant than a packed grocery store. Sick people are trying to probably stock up before quarantining.

[LKN]

Schumer was just on TV. Dem plan sounds much better. Anyone laid off gets 100% salary replacement via unemployment for 4-6 months. A bunch of other stuff too, but that was the centerpiece

[Colbinii]

To be fair I don't think anyone was prepared for a global epidemic. The only thing likely keeping numbers down is the lack of testing globally. I'm sure a lot of 3rd world countries are struggling just as hard, it's just not plastered all over the news.

Multiple countries were prepared [Vietnam, South Korea as 2 examples].

South Korea still had a crazy outbreak, where they were on lockdown. Death rate is similar to that of America. Most people just want any reason they can to throw shade at Trump. He hasn't handled this great, but anyone who says that we would be partying on the beach for the spring break if only Hillary, Bernie, or Biden was in charge is just false. This is happening globally.

South Korea has an outbreak but they are already "peaking" in total outbreaks and the have been decreasing in new outbreaks. Look at their graph here.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

The new daily cases are already decreasing.

The death rate isn't fair because South Korea has a older population than the US but also not all U.S. Deaths have been tracked because Korea has been able to test everyone while the U.S. has been unable to do so.

I don't think most people "Just want a reason to throw shade at Trump". Objectively speaking, Trump has done a poor job in handling this. Using a strawman like the Spring Break thing really makes no sense and isn't even a knock on Trump.

[First Step]

Schumer was just on TV. Dem plan sounds much better. Anyone laid off gets 100% salary replacement via unemployment for 4-6 months. A bunch of other stuff too, but that was the centerpiece

I acknowledge fully that Chuck Schumer says many things. Unfortunately most of them are not true.

It's amazing that there are still suckers out there that believe him

[LKN]

Schumer was just on TV. Dem plan sounds much better. Anyone laid off gets 100% salary replacement via unemployment for 4-6 months. A bunch of other stuff too, but that was the centerpiece

I acknowledge fully that Chuck Schumer says many things. Unfortunately most of them are not true.

It's amazing that there are still suckers out there that believe him

Keep it in the CA forum dude

[First Step]

Multiple countries were prepared [Vietnam, South Korea as 2 examples].

South Korea still had a crazy outbreak, where they were on lockdown. Death rate is similar to that of America. Most people just want any reason they can to throw shade at Trump. He hasn't handled this great, but anyone who says that we would be partying on the beach for the spring break if only Hillary, Bernie, or Biden was in charge is just false. This is happening globally.

South Korea has an outbreak but they are already "peaking" in total outbreaks and the have been decreasing in new outbreaks. Look at their graph here.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

The new daily cases are already decreasing.

The death rate isn't fair because South Korea has a older population than the US but also not all U.S. Deaths have been tracked because Korea has been able to test everyone while the U.S. has been unable to do so.

I don't think most people "Just want a reason to throw shade at Trump". Objectively speaking, Trump has done a poor job in handling this. Using a strawman like the Spring Break thing really makes no sense and isn't even a knock on Trump.

You can't say the death rate isn't comparable because of an older population, but then try to compare the outbreak growth rate as if there are no other differences. The American population is 8x the size of South Korea, with a much larger geographical area.
Lot's of people are saying that America, specifically Trump, is handling this terribly. But the data isn't much different than any other country when adjusted for population size. There is nothing different happening in Canada than the US right now, but everyone is saying Trudeau is doing a great job.

[Colbinii]

South Korea still had a crazy outbreak, where they were on lockdown. Death rate is similar to that of America. Most people just want any reason they can to throw shade at Trump. He hasn't handled this great, but anyone who says that we would be partying on the beach for the spring break if only Hillary, Bernie, or Biden was in charge is just false. This is happening globally.

South Korea has an outbreak but they are already "peaking" in total outbreaks and the have been decreasing in new outbreaks. Look at their graph here.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

The new daily cases are already decreasing.

The death rate isn't fair because South Korea has a older population than the US but also not all U.S. Deaths have been tracked because Korea has been able to test everyone while the U.S. has been unable to do so.

I don't think most people "Just want a reason to throw shade at Trump". Objectively speaking, Trump has done a poor job in handling this. Using a strawman like the Spring Break thing really makes no sense and isn't even a knock on Trump.

You can't say the death rate is comparable because of an older population, but then try to compare the outbreak growth rate as if there are no other differences. The American population is 8x the size of South Korea, with a much larger geographical area.

I don't think you understand some things.

1) South Korea is more densely populated. A denser population is going to spread a disease quicker.

2) South Korea as a country practices fighting against pandemics and have ever since the 2002 SARS outbreak.

3) Did you even look at the graphs? Korea is plateauing in total cases.

Lot's of people are saying that America, specifically Trump, is handling this terribly. But the data isn't much different than any other country when adjusted for population size. There is nothing different happening in Canada than the US right now, but everyone is saying Trudeau is doing a great job.

Right now it is difficult to parse through the data because so few Americans have been tested. You will see for yourself in 2-3 weeks just how bad off America is compared to Canada.

[Optimus_Steel]

Schumer was just on TV. Dem plan sounds much better. Anyone laid off gets 100% salary replacement via unemployment for 4-6 months. A bunch of other stuff too, but that was the centerpiece

They are slowly starting to recognize the severity of what we are up against but it still going too slow, glacially slow. That is what they needed to be talking about a week and half ago. And this is just a proposal, they are still far away from acting agreeing and passing anything. McConnell's proposal, with it's far too weak aid and was a slap in the face of every American, except for the large campaign donors.

Meanwhile millions of Americans are seeing work dissapear and bills coming and nothing has been done about this. Most of the country lives paycheck to paycheck, It's a sad response from Washington.

[MotownMadness]

Schumer was just on TV. Dem plan sounds much better. Anyone laid off gets 100% salary replacement via unemployment for 4-6 months. A bunch of other stuff too, but that was the centerpiece

They are slowly starting to recognize the severity of what we are up against but it still going too slow, glacially slow. That is what they needed to be talking about a week and half ago. And this is just a proposal, they are still far away from acting agreeing and passing anything. McConnell's proposal, with it's far too weak aid and was a slap in the face of every American, except for the large campaign donors.

Meanwhile millions of Americans are seeing work dissapear and bills coming and nothing has been done about this. Most of the country lives paycheck to paycheck, It's a sad response from Washington.

Thought i heard something about it being passed on monday.

[flavio_93]

It’s funny and sad that 600+ people die in 24 hours in Italy and thousands are infected everyday with little to no help and all the media cares about is how celebrities are doing funny challenges while being locked in their home or some young healthy millionaire just tested positive but is completely fine but yeah everyone should pray for them.... meanwhile civilians (mostly elderly) are dropping like flies every hour.


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[First Step]

South Korea has an outbreak but they are already "peaking" in total outbreaks and the have been decreasing in new outbreaks. Look at their graph here.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-korea/

The new daily cases are already decreasing.

The death rate isn't fair because South Korea has a older population than the US but also not all U.S. Deaths have been tracked because Korea has been able to test everyone while the U.S. has been unable to do so.

I don't think most people "Just want a reason to throw shade at Trump". Objectively speaking, Trump has done a poor job in handling this. Using a strawman like the Spring Break thing really makes no sense and isn't even a knock on Trump.

You can't say the death rate is comparable because of an older population, but then try to compare the outbreak growth rate as if there are no other differences. The American population is 8x the size of South Korea, with a much larger geographical area.

I don't think you understand some things.

1) South Korea is more densely populated. A denser population is going to spread a disease quicker.

2) South Korea as a country practices fighting against pandemics and have ever since the 2002 SARS outbreak.

3) Did you even look at the graphs? Korea is plateauing in total cases.

Lot's of people are saying that America, specifically Trump, is handling this terribly. But the data isn't much different than any other country when adjusted for population size. There is nothing different happening in Canada than the US right now, but everyone is saying Trudeau is doing a great job.

Right now it is difficult to parse through the data because so few Americans have been tested. You will see for yourself in 2-3 weeks just how bad off America is compared to Canada.

I know Korea is plateauing. They still went into lockdown to achieve this. So what exactly could Trump have done to prevent this pandemic from becoming a problem in America? The same things are happening around the world. Canada is going to lockdown. Everything is closed. Canadian hospitals are not prepared for the tsunami of sick people that are coming. Yet Trudeau is praised for how he is handling this in the press, and Trump is ripped by all the same people who wanted to impeach him and wanted to pin Russian election interference on him. There is nothing to suggest that anyone else would have mitigated this any further. If 3 weeks ago, Trump had ordered Americans to stay in their homes, he would have been called an authoritarian dictator by the same people who called him racist for closing the border to China over a month ago.

[rugbyrugger23]

Masks, this covers it all think

Sadly this doesn't cover everything. Unless I missed it, VERY BOLD needs to be guidelines on HOW to properly put on, wear, remove, and dispose of any mask -- and the when/timing of changing out and properly disposing of certain kinds of masks (surgical vs. N95).

If any of these are done incorrectly, masks will INCREASE the rate of transmission of CV (and any transmissible disease).

This is no different for people wearing gloves or other protective devices. Next time you are at your dentist, watch their gloved hands touch so many damn things, than back in your mouth -- it will gross you out. Of course better offices wrap handles/surfaces (but need to change them out between patients) and change out gloves OFTEN.

Also no different than all washing hands is NOT effective for cleaning hands -- the how you do it is more important (at least 20 seconds, type of soap, full scrub coverage, etc.). If you don't believe me, google how surgeons TRAIN to scrub into surgery -- all to prevent just one contaminate for 'simple' infection prevention (simple in the sense not a complex virus like CV).

Protective wear (masks, gloves, eye protection) do NOT give a cloak of immunity from the virus!!!

[sfernald]

Dr Evil voice : "How about noooo!

Read on Twitter

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What would you do with a crashed internet? It would be like we were living in the 80s!

Hey man at least in the 80s we had bbses. I guess we could go back to using phone lines to connect to one computer at a time lol.

[Optimus_Steel]

Schumer was just on TV. Dem plan sounds much better. Anyone laid off gets 100% salary replacement via unemployment for 4-6 months. A bunch of other stuff too, but that was the centerpiece

They are slowly starting to recognize the severity of what we are up against but it still going too slow, glacially slow. That is what they needed to be talking about a week and half ago. And this is just a proposal, they are still far away from acting agreeing and passing anything. McConnell's proposal, with it's far too weak aid and was a slap in the face of every American, except for the large campaign donors.

Meanwhile millions of Americans are seeing work dissapear and bills coming and nothing has been done about this. Most of the country lives paycheck to paycheck, It's a sad response from Washington.

Thought i heard something about it being passed on monday.

They passed a much smaller bill with some help for some people. It's something better than nothing but way too weak overall and leaves vast numbers of people out. They will need to pass numerous bills for this crisis, and thy have to be much more aggressive than what Washington is discussing.

[chrismikayla]

I'm not sure if this was shared but there's a thought the virus can survive airborne for 3 hours. If true that explains exponential growth. It also means social distancing wouldn't have been as effective. Which also means the number of people who have or had it are staggering. Many people probably blew it off as a cold or allergies. In a way this may be good news.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coro...udy-shows.html

[mademan]

I gotta say, i dunno how we move forward without a vaccine. Even if the quarantine works, isnt it just gonna come storming back after we go back to business as usual?

[OkcSinceSGA]

Read on Twitter

Not just the flu, bro.

Damn that article


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[MotownMadness]

I gotta say, i dunno how we move forward without a vaccine. Even if the quarantine works, isnt it just gonna come storming back after we go back to business as usual?

Right, its just gonna come right back as soon as everyone gets back out there. People are only gonna stay home so long.

Unless they are hoping to lay low til some hot weather and thinking that might help some.