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mademan wrote:I gotta say, i dunno how we move forward without a vaccine. Even if the quarantine works, isnt it just gonna come storming back after we go back to business as usual?
chrismikayla wrote:I'm not sure if this was shared but there's a thought the virus can survive airborne for 3 hours. If true that explains exponential growth. It also means social distancing wouldn't have been as effective. Which also means the number of people who have or had it are staggering. Many people probably blew it off as a cold or allergies. In a way this may be good news.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coro...udy-shows.html
First Step wrote:I know Korea is plateauing.
They still went into lockdown to achieve this. So what exactly could Trump have done to prevent this pandemic from becoming a problem in America?
The same things are happening around the world. Canada is going to lockdown. Everything is closed. Canadian hospitals are not prepared for the tsunami of sick people that are coming. Yet Trudeau is praised for how he is handling this in the press, and Trump is ripped by all the same people who wanted to impeach him and wanted to pin Russian election interference on him. There is nothing to suggest that anyone else would have mitigated this any further. If 3 weeks ago, Trump had ordered Americans to stay in their homes, he would have been called an authoritarian dictator by the same people who called him racist for closing the border to China over a month ago.
First Step wrote:Colbinii wrote:First Step wrote:You can't say the death rate is comparable because of an older population, but then try to compare the outbreak growth rate as if there are no other differences. The American population is 8x the size of South Korea, with a much larger geographical area.
I don't think you understand some things.
1) South Korea is more densely populated. A denser population is going to spread a disease quicker.
2) South Korea as a country practices fighting against pandemics and have ever since the 2002 SARS outbreak.
3) Did you even look at the graphs? Korea is plateauing in total cases.Lot's of people are saying that America, specifically Trump, is handling this terribly. But the data isn't much different than any other country when adjusted for population size. There is nothing different happening in Canada than the US right now, but everyone is saying Trudeau is doing a great job.
Right now it is difficult to parse through the data because so few Americans have been tested. You will see for yourself in 2-3 weeks just how bad off America is compared to Canada.
I know Korea is plateauing. They still went into lockdown to achieve this. So what exactly could Trump have done to prevent this pandemic from becoming a problem in America? The same things are happening around the world. Canada is going to lockdown. Everything is closed. Canadian hospitals are not prepared for the tsunami of sick people that are coming. Yet Trudeau is praised for how he is handling this in the press, and Trump is ripped by all the same people who wanted to impeach him and wanted to pin Russian election interference on him. There is nothing to suggest that anyone else would have mitigated this any further. If 3 weeks ago, Trump had ordered Americans to stay in their homes, he would have been called an authoritarian dictator by the same people who called him racist for closing the border to China over a month ago.
LKN wrote:First Step wrote:Colbinii wrote:
I don't think you understand some things.
1) South Korea is more densely populated. A denser population is going to spread a disease quicker.
2) South Korea as a country practices fighting against pandemics and have ever since the 2002 SARS outbreak.
3) Did you even look at the graphs? Korea is plateauing in total cases.
Right now it is difficult to parse through the data because so few Americans have been tested. You will see for yourself in 2-3 weeks just how bad off America is compared to Canada.
I know Korea is plateauing. They still went into lockdown to achieve this. So what exactly could Trump have done to prevent this pandemic from becoming a problem in America? The same things are happening around the world. Canada is going to lockdown. Everything is closed. Canadian hospitals are not prepared for the tsunami of sick people that are coming. Yet Trudeau is praised for how he is handling this in the press, and Trump is ripped by all the same people who wanted to impeach him and wanted to pin Russian election interference on him. There is nothing to suggest that anyone else would have mitigated this any further. If 3 weeks ago, Trump had ordered Americans to stay in their homes, he would have been called an authoritarian dictator by the same people who called him racist for closing the border to China over a month ago.
Canada has tested roughly as many people as the US despite having 10% of the population
First Step wrote:Colbinii wrote:First Step wrote:You can't say the death rate is comparable because of an older population, but then try to compare the outbreak growth rate as if there are no other differences. The American population is 8x the size of South Korea, with a much larger geographical area.
I don't think you understand some things.
1) South Korea is more densely populated. A denser population is going to spread a disease quicker.
2) South Korea as a country practices fighting against pandemics and have ever since the 2002 SARS outbreak.
3) Did you even look at the graphs? Korea is plateauing in total cases.Lot's of people are saying that America, specifically Trump, is handling this terribly. But the data isn't much different than any other country when adjusted for population size. There is nothing different happening in Canada than the US right now, but everyone is saying Trudeau is doing a great job.
Right now it is difficult to parse through the data because so few Americans have been tested. You will see for yourself in 2-3 weeks just how bad off America is compared to Canada.
I know Korea is plateauing. They still went into lockdown to achieve this. So what exactly could Trump have done to prevent this pandemic from becoming a problem in America? The same things are happening around the world. Canada is going to lockdown. Everything is closed. Canadian hospitals are not prepared for the tsunami of sick people that are coming. Yet Trudeau is praised for how he is handling this in the press, and Trump is ripped by all the same people who wanted to impeach him and wanted to pin Russian election interference on him. There is nothing to suggest that anyone else would have mitigated this any further. If 3 weeks ago, Trump had ordered Americans to stay in their homes, he would have been called an authoritarian dictator by the same people who called him racist for closing the border to China over a month ago.
flavio_93 wrote:mademan wrote:I gotta say, i dunno how we move forward without a vaccine. Even if the quarantine works, isnt it just gonna come storming back after we go back to business as usual?
After some time it healthy your body will completely fight off the virus and get rid of it
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Flash4thewin wrote:First Step wrote:Colbinii wrote:
I don't think you understand some things.
1) South Korea is more densely populated. A denser population is going to spread a disease quicker.
2) South Korea as a country practices fighting against pandemics and have ever since the 2002 SARS outbreak.
3) Did you even look at the graphs? Korea is plateauing in total cases.
Right now it is difficult to parse through the data because so few Americans have been tested. You will see for yourself in 2-3 weeks just how bad off America is compared to Canada.
I know Korea is plateauing. They still went into lockdown to achieve this. So what exactly could Trump have done to prevent this pandemic from becoming a problem in America? The same things are happening around the world. Canada is going to lockdown. Everything is closed. Canadian hospitals are not prepared for the tsunami of sick people that are coming. Yet Trudeau is praised for how he is handling this in the press, and Trump is ripped by all the same people who wanted to impeach him and wanted to pin Russian election interference on him. There is nothing to suggest that anyone else would have mitigated this any further. If 3 weeks ago, Trump had ordered Americans to stay in their homes, he would have been called an authoritarian dictator by the same people who called him racist for closing the border to China over a month ago.
You would have to be such blind homer to to come out with this. The president though his actions placed us in a worst position. Trust is earned. Thats not even touching the Trump and then-National Security Adviser John Bolton disbanding a White House agency that was set up by the Obama administration to lead federal preparation and coordination for outbreaks like the one the world is now trying to contend with. These are facts and reality. Trudeau was smart enough not to do something so idiotic. Its like watching a disaster movie and you see the people in charge make idiotic mistake after idiotic mistake? Welcome to this administration.
BballIsLife11 wrote:If you have the virus but show no sign of symptoms for weeks, does that mean you are in the clear or can all of the effects happen months down the road when your immune system is compromised?
Colbinii wrote:
Okay, so you admit they did a better job than us. That is my initial point here, buddy. You decided to then turn this into some Trump-Defense grid when I never attacked Trump in the first place.
Well maybe not disbanding a team of experts designed specifically for this situation. This is the exact reason South Korea has been so successful in halting the spread.
I am not here to discuss the public opinion on Trudeau vs Trump; it is a waste of my time and something I have no interest in spending time in on a beautiful Saturday morning.
There is hard evidence that suggests others could have mitigated this further. Saying otherwise is turning a blind eye to the truth.
First Step wrote:Colbinii wrote:
Okay, so you admit they did a better job than us. That is my initial point here, buddy. You decided to then turn this into some Trump-Defense grid when I never attacked Trump in the first place.
Firstly, Korea had its outbreak over a month before the US, so you can't compare the results yet. Will there be a second wave in Korea when everyone goes back into society? Also, you quoted me.. I never engaged with you. So stop being disingenuous.Well maybe not disbanding a team of experts designed specifically for this situation. This is the exact reason South Korea has been so successful in halting the spread.
Is Fauci not an expert? Resources were made rapidly available, you can bring in experts whenever the crisis happens. Again, nothing is unique to the USA that isn't happening around the rest of the world. Everyone is screwed!I am not here to discuss the public opinion on Trudeau vs Trump; it is a waste of my time and something I have no interest in spending time in on a beautiful Saturday morning.
There is hard evidence that suggests others could have mitigated this further. Saying otherwise is turning a blind eye to the truth.
There is hard evidence that suggests others could have mitigated this further. Saying otherwise is turning a blind eye to the truth.
Oh ok. You just want to debate South Korea vs. USA on this beautiful Saturday morning because it fits your political narrative.
chrismikayla wrote:Three inmates at a Georgia prison tested positive. How does this happen if it was on lock down?
11Alive.com
3 Georgia prisoners test positive for coronavirus
13 hours ago
chrismikayla wrote:Three inmates at a Georgia prison tested positive. How does this happen if it was on lock down?
11Alive.com
3 Georgia prisoners test positive for coronavirus
13 hours ago
Nuntius wrote:Wait a moment. Are there still people out there who think that the US government didn't screw the pooch here? People, let's get real here. Most Western governments were slow to react to this. They probably didn't expect the outbreak to reach European and American soil since a lot of other recent outbreaks (SARS, MERS, Ebola etc) didn't reach us. We were complacent.