Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

OkcSinceSGA · Post #561 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:16 pm

This is a one chance thing. Their decision will either save or doom Americans.

First Step · Post #562 » by **First Step** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:17 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
First Step wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Okay, so you admit they did a better job than us. That is my initial point here, buddy. You decided to then turn this into some Trump-Defense grid when I never attacked Trump in the first place.

Firstly, Korea had its outbreak over a month before the US, so you can't compare the results yet. Will there be a second wave in Korea when everyone goes back into society? Also, you quoted me.. I never engaged with you. So stop being disingenuous.

Well maybe not disbanding a team of experts designed specifically for this situation. This is the exact reason South Korea has been so successful in halting the spread.

Is Fauci not an expert? Resources were made rapidly available, you can bring in experts whenever the crisis happens. Again, nothing is unique to the USA that isn't happening around the rest of the world. Everyone is screwed!

I am not here to discuss the public opinion on Trudeau vs Trump; it is a waste of my time and something I have no interest in spending time in on a beautiful Saturday morning.

There is hard evidence that suggests others could have mitigated this further. Saying otherwise is turning a blind eye to the truth.

There is hard evidence that suggests others could have mitigated this further. Saying otherwise is turning a blind eye to the truth.
Oh ok. You just want to debate South Korea vs. USA on this beautiful Saturday morning because it fits your political narrative.

South Korea and the US confirmed their first cases of Covid on the same day.

That just means that Korea was slower to testing the first case than the States. Korea's outbreak was well before the USAs. Stop trying to be a smart ass. The data isn't comparable yet.

MotownMadness · Post #563 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:19 pm

Nuntius wrote:Wait a moment. Are there still people out there who think that the US government didn't screw the pooch here? People, let's get real here. Most Western governments were slow to react to this. They probably didn't expect the outbreak to reach European and American soil since a lot of other recent outbreaks (SARS, MERS, Ebola etc) didn't reach us. We were complacent.

I just dont think it would have made a difference. Making a whole country actually listen and stay home or close buisnesses and schools before the outbreak arrived probably wasnt going to happen anyways.

People still dont listen and its everywhere now. What makes anyone think they would follow strict orders and stop this back in Jan? Civilians wouldnt have took it serious back then without the fear they have now.

j-ragg · Post #564 » by **j-ragg** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:20 pm

First Step wrote:
Nuntius wrote:Wait a moment. Are there still people out there who think that the US government didn't screw the pooch here? People, let's get real here. Most Western governments were slow to react to this. They probably didn't expect the outbreak to reach European and American soil since a lot of other recent outbreaks (SARS, MERS, Ebola etc) didn't reach us. We were complacent.

It's not that they didn't screw the pooch. They clearly have made major mistakes. But the disproportionate hate towards Trump is unfair in my opinion.

Definitely didn't handle it well initially. Has since seem to have woken up about it like most of America who thought it was the flu. There's a portion of people who don't care though right or wrong what he does, it'll be vilified. Some stuff deserves it of course but like... Biden saying it's just racism to shut down the borders trying to contain this virus.

Spoiler:

I don't think Biden should be criticized or anything since no one really knew wtf was going on and he's not really all that coherent as it is. But people will be critical of every move because Trump is Trump.

Fairview4Life · Post #565 » by **Fairview4Life** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:21 pm

First Step wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
First Step wrote:
Firstly, Korea had its outbreak over a month before the US, so you can't compare the results yet. Will there be a second wave in Korea when everyone goes back into society? Also, you quoted me.. I never engaged with you. So stop being disingenuous.

Is Fauci not an expert? Resources were made rapidly available, you can bring in experts whenever the crisis happens. Again, nothing is unique to the USA that isn't happening around the rest of the world. Everyone is screwed!

There is hard evidence that suggests others could have mitigated this further. Saying otherwise is turning a blind eye to the truth.
Oh ok. You just want to debate South Korea vs. USA on this beautiful Saturday morning because it fits your political narrative.

South Korea and the US confirmed their first cases of Covid on the same day.

That just means that Korea was slower to testing the first case than the States. Korea's outbreak was well before the USAs. Stop trying to be a smart ass. The data isn't comparable yet.

The hell you talking about? The other answer, which you apparently can’t wrap your head around, is that the US was incredibly slow to roll out widespread testing, so didn’t pick up the actual outbreak that has been occurring for a long time. Which is the actual correct answer.

MotownMadness · Post #566 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:21 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:

Read on Twitter

This is a one chance thing. Their decision will either save or doom Americans.

Lets just hope washington can stay working together with no politics involved to move as quick as possible

sfernald · Post #567 » by **sfernald** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:23 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
Not the N95 ones the medical professionals wear, so I'm not contributing to any shortage for them.

I just got 10 of these https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32955288596.html?spm=a2g0s.12269583.0.0.6c131af7VuOW9w

and 10 of these (they look the same but don't say surgical) https://www.amazon.com/Breathable-Thick-3-Layer-Masks-500Pcs/dp/B085LK7RW5/ref=sr_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=surgical%2Bmasks%2Bdisposable&qid=1584769663&s=beauty&sr=1-6

For gloves I got these, but wow, they were only like $14 for 100 when I got them...looks like they more than doubled. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GS8W3T4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

Those are strictly one-day use only. Remember those all too well during the HK SARS crisis. We were told to dispose of them every few hours, but we had lots of masks at the time. They used to get so smelly after only a few hours, which you will soon find out. Still maintain social distancing as they protect others from you (to some degree), as opposed to you being protected from others.

Yeah, I knew they were one day. I figured I would probably on wear if things got dire when I go to grocery store or something and take it off when I come out. So if I only wore it for a half hour, I didn't know if I could wear it a few more times and be ok. I currently have extremely limited contact with anyone..working from home 95% (and go into office when no one else is there) and just go to get groceries...it's just me and my dog here.

Weird story. I’ve been going to Ocean beach a bunch lately with my girlfriend and our dog. At Ocean Beach you can bring your dogs and there are literally hundreds of other dogs and people around. We would always would eat at this crowded restaurant packed with people and dogs for breakfast first. One time after breakfast and walking along the beach I got the worst diarrhea of my life. Was sick for a few days after. This was sometime in February. Anyways, we also have an elderly mastiff as well as our young bulldog and she couldn’t go with us. But soon after she starting coughing and hacking constantly. We took her to the vet at they did an exam and said probably congestive heart failure and offered about a $1000 in tests which we declined. She has just gotten to the point where she can’t climb up the stairs and now only gets up two to three times a day. She’s fading fast. She’s also constantly shivering. We are giving her medicine for the pain and cough which seems to help.

Is there any possibility that she has Covid?

The timing is really really suspicious to me.

j-ragg · Post #568 » by **j-ragg** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:23 pm

MotownMadness wrote: Lets just hope washington can stay working together with no politics involved to move as quick as possible

I think everyone on both sides of the aisle can agree w/ that. Do your job Washington

chrismikayla · Post #569 » by **chrismikayla** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:25 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:

Read on Twitter

This is a one chance thing. Their decision will either save or doom Americans.

The only thing that matters to Congress is the color green on both sides. The fact they are still in "discussions" is shameful. I wish we fired every damn one of them and put some community grassroots folks in to look out for people rather than their own pockets.

LKN · Post #570 » by **LKN** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:26 pm

j-ragg wrote:
First Step wrote:
Nuntius wrote:Wait a moment. Are there still people out there who think that the US government didn't screw the pooch here? People, let's get real here. Most Western governments were slow to react to this. They probably didn't expect the outbreak to reach European and American soil since a lot of other recent outbreaks (SARS, MERS, Ebola etc) didn't reach us. We were complacent.

It's not that they didn't screw the pooch. They clearly have made major mistakes. But the disproportionate hate towards Trump is unfair in my opinion.

Definitely didn't handle it well initially. Has since seem to have woken up about it like most of America who thought it was the flu. There's a portion of people who don't care though right or wrong what he does, it'll be vilified. Some stuff deserves it of course but like... Biden saying it's just racism to shut down the borders trying to contain this virus.

Spoiler:
“Banning all travel from Europe or any other part of the world may slow it, but…it will not stop it,” Biden warned.

In January, Biden also criticized as xenophobic the administration’s travel ban to China as the outbreak began to worsen, although it was instrumental in preventing an outbreak in the United States much sooner.

“This is no time for Donald Trump’s record of hysteria and xenophobia,” Biden said during an Iowa campaign event.

I don't think Biden should be criticized or anything since no one really knew wtf was going on and he's not really all that coherent as it is. But people will be critical of every move because Trump is Trump.

To be fair...Biden wrote an entire Op-ed in January about how Trump wasn't taking this seriously and warning of the danger. Trump still wasn't taking it seriously a month later.

This isn't because Biden is some kind of genius...it's because he listens to experts.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/01/27/coronavirus-donald-trump-made-us-less-prepared-joe-biden-column/4581710002/

Optimus_Steel · Post #571 » by **Optimus_Steel** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:28 pm

ClipsFanSince98 wrote:

Read on Twitter

This is a one chance thing. Their decision will either save or doom Americans.

You are not overreacting, this is the case. These decisions that Washington is doing now will reverberate for years.

LKN · Post #572 » by **LKN** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:30 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
LKN wrote:
First Step wrote:I know Korea is plateauing. They still went into lockdown to achieve this. So what exactly could Trump have done to prevent this pandemic from becoming a problem in America? The same things are happening around the world. Canada is going to lockdown. Everything is closed. Canadian hospitals are not prepared for the tsunami of sick people that are coming. Yet Trudeau is praised for how he is handling this in the press, and Trump is ripped by all the same people who wanted to impeach him and wanted to pin Russian election interference on him. There is nothing to suggest that anyone else would have mitigated this any further. If 3 weeks ago, Trump had ordered Americans to stay in their homes, he would have been called an authoritarian dictator by the same people who called him racist for closing the border to China over a month ago.

Canada has tested roughly as many people as the US despite having 10% of the population

If your sick and looking like you have Corona virus you can get a test. You basically cant just go grab one for self reassurance if thats what peoole are so concerned about with the testing.

Or am i wrong and we have people showing symptoms and going to the hospital to be rejected for a test

Unfortunately you are wrong (at least for many areas). I know several people personally who are symptomatic and can not get tested. Even Doctors and nurses who are stuck in quarantine are having trouble getting tested in many places (and that's so they can come back to work!)

NY is basically the only place doing anything close to adequate testing

OkcSinceSGA · Post #573 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:30 pm

I agree with Dems we need increased unemployment for 6 months. The current $1800 max for California is a joke. That's about 60% of my bills. Also agree with Dems that disability should be increased $200 in this crises for those that can't even work.

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First Step · Post #574 » by **First Step** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:31 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
First Step wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
South Korea and the US confirmed their first cases of Covid on the same day.

That just means that Korea was slower to testing the first case than the States. Korea's outbreak was well before the USAs. Stop trying to be a smart ass. The data isn't comparable yet.

The hell you talking about? The other answer, which you apparently can’t wrap your head around, is that the US was incredibly slow to roll out widespread testing, so didn’t pick up the actual outbreak that has been occurring for a long time. Which is the actual correct answer.

This is incorrect. We knew of early outbreaks in cities like Seattle. If the outbreak was happening a month ago like it was in Korea, we would see the hospitals already overflown with patients, like you see in Italy.

marco102 · Post #575 » by **marco102** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:31 pm

sfernald wrote:
bwgood77 wrote:
LordCovington33 wrote:Those are strictly one-day use only. Remember those all too well during the HK SARS crisis. We were told to dispose of them every few hours, but we had lots of masks at the time. They used to get so smelly after only a few hours, which you will soon find out. Still maintain social distancing as they protect others from you (to some degree), as opposed to you being protected from others.

Yeah, I knew they were one day. I figured I would probably on wear if things got dire when I go to grocery store or something and take it off when I come out. So if I only wore it for a half hour, I didn't know if I could wear it a few more times and be ok. I currently have extremely limited contact with anyone..working from home 95% (and go into office when no one else is there) and just go to get groceries...it's just me and my dog here.

Weird story. I’ve been going to Ocean beach a bunch lately with my girlfriend and our dog. At Ocean Beach you can bring your dogs and there are literally hundreds of other dogs and people around. We would always would eat at this crowded restaurant packed with people and dogs for breakfast first. One time after breakfast and walking along the beach I got the worst diarrhea of my life. Was sick for a few days after. This was sometime in February. Anyways, we also have an elderly mastiff as well as our young bulldog and she couldn’t go with us. But soon after she starting coughing and hacking constantly. We took her to the vet at they did an exam and said probably congestive heart failure and offered about a $1000 in tests which we declined. She has just gotten to the point where she can’t climb up the stairs and now only gets up two to three times a day. She’s fading fast. She’s also constantly shivering. We are giving her medicine for the pain and cough which seems to help.

Is there any possibility that she has Covid?

The timing is really really suspicious to me.

Pretty sure most studies show that it doesn't pass from humans to dogs or vice versa ( I retract this looks like Hong Kong verified a case). https://www.oregonvma.org/care-health/zoonotic-diseases/coronavirus-faq

It also sounds like you should do the humane thing and put your dog down. I couldn't imagine seeing my Dakota suffering. It's a hard decision, but probably the best thing.

mtron929 · Post #576 » by **mtron929** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:31 pm

MotownMadness wrote:
Nuntius wrote:Wait a moment. Are there still people out there who think that the US government didn't screw the pooch here? People, let's get real here. Most Western governments were slow to react to this. They probably didn't expect the outbreak to reach European and American soil since a lot of other recent outbreaks (SARS, MERS, Ebola etc) didn't reach us. We were complacent.

I just dont think it would have made a difference. Making a whole country actually listen and stay home or close buisnesses and schools before the outbreak arrived probably wasnt going to happen anyways.

People still dont listen and its everywhere now. What makes anyone think they would follow strict orders and stop this back in Jan? Civilians wouldnt have took it serious back then without the fear they have now.

Well, not to put you on the spot, but probably you would be one of those people who wouldn't have listened if you were told that this was an urgent manner a month ago, right?

mademan · Post #577 » by **mademan** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:32 pm

mtron929 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
Nuntius wrote:Wait a moment. Are there still people out there who think that the US government didn't screw the pooch here? People, let's get real here. Most Western governments were slow to react to this. They probably didn't expect the outbreak to reach European and American soil since a lot of other recent outbreaks (SARS, MERS, Ebola etc) didn't reach us. We were complacent.

I just dont think it would have made a difference. Making a whole country actually listen and stay home or close buisnesses and schools before the outbreak arrived probably wasnt going to happen anyways.

People still dont listen and its everywhere now. What makes anyone think they would follow strict orders and stop this back in Jan? Civilians wouldnt have took it serious back then without the fear they have now.

Well, not to put you on the spot, but probably you would be one of those people who wouldn't have listened if you were told that this was an urgent manner a month ago, right?

Dont know why youre finger pointing. Almost nobody wouldve listened to that kind of suggestion a month ago. If you tried to stay home from work, you'd probably be fired.

OkcSinceSGA · Post #578 » by **OkcSinceSGA** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:34 pm

Read on Twitter

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Fairview4Life · Post #579 » by **Fairview4Life** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:34 pm

First Step wrote:
Fairview4Life wrote:
First Step wrote:That just means that Korea was slower to testing the first case than the States. Korea's outbreak was well before the USAs. Stop trying to be a smart ass. The data isn't comparable yet.

The hell you talking about? The other answer, which you apparently can’t wrap your head around, is that the US was incredibly slow to roll out widespread testing, so didn’t pick up the actual outbreak that has been occurring for a long time. Which is the actual correct answer.

This is incorrect. We knew of early outbreaks in cities like Seattle. If the outbreak was happening a month ago like it was in Korea, we would see the hospitals already overflown with patients, like you see in Italy.

They were not testing in Seattle. Like everywhere else. Testing is only really ramping up now which is one of the main reasons the numbers are exploding.

MotownMadness · Post #580 » by **MotownMadness** » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:35 pm

mtron929 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
Nuntius wrote:Wait a moment. Are there still people out there who think that the US government didn't screw the pooch here? People, let's get real here. Most Western governments were slow to react to this. They probably didn't expect the outbreak to reach European and American soil since a lot of other recent outbreaks (SARS, MERS, Ebola etc) didn't reach us. We were complacent.

I just dont think it would have made a difference. Making a whole country actually listen and stay home or close buisnesses and schools before the outbreak arrived probably wasnt going to happen anyways.

People still dont listen and its everywhere now. What makes anyone think they would follow strict orders and stop this back in Jan? Civilians wouldnt have took it serious back then without the fear they have now.

Well, not to put you on the spot, but probably you would be one of those people who wouldn't have listened if you were told that this was an urgent manner a month ago, right?

Why do you say that? You people and your assumptions in here are hilarious.

Truth be told ive always lived pretty isolated and live this way anyways.