Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

[bran muffin]

(per Cuomo)

Millions within months.

40%-80% of NYers will be infected.

"About 40 to 80 percent of the state's population is going to be affected by coronavirus, says Governor Cuomo. That amounts to 7.8 million to 15.6 million New Yorkers infected."


https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/coronavirus-blog/2020/03/21/coronavirus-cases-grow--cuomo-says-40-to-80--in-ny-will-be-infected

It looks to me like Cuomo said 80% of the population will be AFFECTED by the virus, and the reporter misinterpreted those words by claiming 80% of the population will be INFECTED.

I'm no scientist, but the idea that 80% of an entire state's population could be infected by a single virus sounds far-fetched. Even those disease-ridden cruise ships didn't have infection rates that high.

[chrismikayla]

This is interesting but scientists are looking at vaping, smoking, and drug use as factors in young adults needing to be hospitalized. It's definitely a possibility due to vaping affecting the lungs. CNS depressants like opiates slow breathing already. Interested to see more studies on these young patients.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/03/20/health/coronavirus-vaping-drugs/index.html&ved=2ahUKEwjK3_ne663oAhWSiOAKHbCTDfgQ0PADegQIBxAH&usg=AOvVaw3FwAYCMrefwFi0oU1CFJ3D&ampcf=1

[basketballRob]

NY is making it's own test and testing like crazy. Other states like my own, Florida, and NJ who only had one public health location to get a test are disgraceful.

https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/nypost.com/2020/03/21/nj-coronavirus-testing-site-reaches-capacity-35-minutes-after-opening/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15848741153674&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2020%2F03%2F21%2Fnj-coronavirus-testing-site-reaches-capacity-35-minutes-after-opening%2F

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[ArtMorte]

(per Cuomo)

Millions within months.

40%-80% of NYers will be infected.

"About 40 to 80 percent of the state's population is going to be affected by coronavirus, says Governor Cuomo. That amounts to 7.8 million to 15.6 million New Yorkers infected."


https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/coronavirus-blog/2020/03/21/coronavirus-cases-grow--cuomo-says-40-to-80--in-ny-will-be-infected

It looks to me like Cuomo said 80% of the population will be AFFECTED by the virus, and the reporter misinterpreted those words by claiming 80% of the population will be INFECTED.

I'm no scientist, but the idea that 80% of an entire state's population could be infected by a single virus sounds far-fetched. Even those disease-ridden cruise ships didn't have infection rates that high.

Unless you're an absolute hermit, you will be affected by this virus. I'd say over 80% of people are already affected by it in one way or another. And how do you define "affected" anyway? Other countries have very high estimations of number of infected people - like, I think Germany said up to 70% could get infected - so Cuomo saying up to 80% infected really isn't unrealistic. It won't happen in a couple of months, though, but over a longer period of time, possibly more than a year, in more waves than one.

[KingDavid]

NY is making it's own test and testing like crazy. Other states like my own, Florida, and NJ who only had one public health location to get a test are disgraceful.

https://nypost-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/nypost.com/2020/03/21/nj-coronavirus-testing-site-reaches-capacity-35-minutes-after-opening/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15848741153674&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2020%2F03%2F21%2Fnj-coronavirus-testing-site-reaches-capacity-35-minutes-after-opening%2F

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South Florida has multiple testing sites now. But there's parameters that have to be met before you can qualify to take the test.

[KingDavid]

You all with these amp links from Google. Just go to the website and then link it here lol

[Ayt]

(per Cuomo)

Millions within months.

40%-80% of NYers will be infected.

"About 40 to 80 percent of the state's population is going to be affected by coronavirus, says Governor Cuomo. That amounts to 7.8 million to 15.6 million New Yorkers infected."


https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/coronavirus-blog/2020/03/21/coronavirus-cases-grow--cuomo-says-40-to-80--in-ny-will-be-infected

It looks to me like Cuomo said 80% of the population will be AFFECTED by the virus, and the reporter misinterpreted those words by claiming 80% of the population will be INFECTED.

I'm no scientist, but the idea that 80% of an entire state's population could be infected by a single virus sounds far-fetched. Even those disease-ridden cruise ships didn't have infection rates that high.

He means infected. Those are the realistic numbers given how contagious it is combined with no natural immunity or vaccine. He's also talking about a timeline of months.

The point of all the procedures we currently have in place is to try to slow the spread as much as possible so hospitals don't get overwhelmed.

Anyone who is willing to dismiss the threat of the virus simply because they believe that it only affect older people or that it won't be as dangerous to their health is being intentionally ignorant.

There are millions of Americans between the ages of 20-50 who suffered from Diabetes, Heart diseases, Cancer, and a bunch of medical conditions that leave their immune systems compromised.

So, if you have a medical condition or know someone who has a medical condition that could weaken your immune system, you and they have an obligation to stay home and not gather in large crowd because your health will be at risk.

Furthermore, the sheer number of people who are going to be hospitalized is going to overwhelm the healthcare system.

As a result, a young person who is healthy at the moment but all of a sudden got a medical emergency is not going to be able to get treatments since the doctors and nurses are going to be too busy dealing with all of the patients that have shown up in critical conditions.

Most everyone in that age bracket I know is taking it seriously. Though my dad in his 70s is acting as business as usual and is still out and about, regardless of what my brother and I tell him. He also has high blood pressure, diabetes and a stint in his heart.

Show him the Italian chart that was translated pages back, maybe in the previous thread. It said that 70% of those who came in with COVID and who had Hypertension didn't make it. It was the worst risk factor of them all.

That isn't what the chart indicated. It said that 70% of those that died had hypertension, not that 70% of those that had both COVID and hypertension ended up dying.

[BladeDaywalker]

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First reported COVID-19 case in the United Kingdom: ± February 29, 2020
First reported COVID-19 case in the United States: ± Jan. 19, 2020
U.K. COVID-19 mortality rate: 4.6%
U.S. COVID-19 mortality rate: 1.2%
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[Stillwater]

The only positive thing I'm hearing in this briefings is the work being done to try to combat the virus is under way so there is some hope they can provide comfort to those who have complications, provide opportunity through human trials on more rapid vaccine development, and maybe develop a map to stop this from being a perpetual threat to human life .
For me the optimism is half hearted... I see a stealth pandemic virus with a world iinvluding Us ncapable of testing those with no symptoms despite some getting tests with no symptoms in position of power or early in the days when they didn't know how many would flood the ER with concerns.
Bottom line for us now is nobody knows that has no symptoms if they are carriers of it , but the fact their is no immunity drug the first thing needed is extensive testing and samples from known positive tested individuals with no symptoms to see if those people have antibodies to help those who don't.
But you can't get tested without a doctor's orders and your doctor if you can get an appointment won't give you the order with no symptoms unless you have a pre existing condition...
WTF.
This thing could be around for decades and the vaccine will come too late probably esp if the data from Italy is mirrored in the USA over the next year while we still are not testing asymptomatic carriers.

[CaptainFanchini]

Hi guys

Greets again from northern Italy.

The situation is really sad especially in Lombardy and especially in the area between Bergamo and Brescia.

Here where a live, a valley/basin on the northern top of lake Garda, we have about 300 officially infected and about 10 deaths.

The majority of those infected and deaths are elderly people in 2 clinics (private/public ventures) and a retirement home; the main problem of these 3 places is that not a few of their patients are from neighboring Lombardy and Veneto regions, so the infection was probably "imported" by the relatives visiting them back in february, before the lockdown.

We are all at home, with only the opportunity to go to the market, just one person per family and, of course, less times as possible, and sometimes to do a small walk stricly around home.
From yesterday all but the basic companies are closed; from 10 days many are working remotely from home (in example my niece and his husband, both architects, realized a true studio in their living room).

There are some idiots, but the wast majority of the people understands the situation and is behaving very responsibly with great civic sense, as usual for the area where I live; yesterday I went to the market, and the town looks almost a ghost town ... I crossed just 2 cars in half a mile, and just 1 person on a sidewalk.
In the market there were about 20 people, about 15 o 16 with mask, all very quiet and with the right distance.


We can only hope to have reached the peak, and that in the next days the numbers will start to drop.

[Noctilux]

This is depressing. I’m leaving this forum and heading to YouTube to watch cat videos.

[Optimus_Steel]

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He sounded like a North Korea minister pledging allegiance to dear leader. He also downplayed and defended not using the Defense Production Act to fast track medical supplies & ventilators to be produced. This is negligent. Just to clarify, he invoked the act last week but has NOT ordered to be used...

[whonka]

Anyone who is willing to dismiss the threat of the virus simply because they believe that it only affect older people or that it won't be as dangerous to their health is being intentionally ignorant.

There are millions of Americans between the ages of 20-50 who suffered from Diabetes, Heart diseases, Cancer, and a bunch of medical conditions that leave their immune systems compromised.

So, if you have a medical condition or know someone who has a medical condition that could weaken your immune system, you and they have an obligation to stay home and not gather in large crowd because your health will be at risk.

Furthermore, the sheer number of people who are going to be hospitalized is going to overwhelm the healthcare system.

As a result, a young person who is healthy at the moment but all of a sudden got a medical emergency is not going to be able to get treatments since the doctors and nurses are going to be too busy dealing with all of the patients that have shown up in critical conditions.

Most everyone in that age bracket I know is taking it seriously. Though my dad in his 70s is acting as business as usual and is still out and about, regardless of what my brother and I tell him. He also has high blood pressure, diabetes and a stint in his heart.

Show him the Italian chart that was translated pages back, maybe in the previous thread. It said that 70% of those who came in with COVID and who had Hypertension didn't make it. It was the worst risk factor of them all.

Just to be accurate, that chart said 70% of deaths had hypertension, not that 70% of people with hypertension didn’t make it. Very very big difference. Hypertension is just much more prevalent in general.

[DowJones]

Hi guys

Greets again from northern Italy.

The situation is really sad especially in Lombardy and especially in the area between Bergamo and Brescia.

Here where a live, a valley/basin on the northern top of lake Garda, we have about 300 officially infected and about 10 deaths.

The majority of those infected and deaths are elderly people in 2 clinics (private/public ventures) and a retirement home; the main problem of these 3 places is that not a few of their patients are from neighboring Lombardy and Veneto regions, so the infection was probably "imported" by the relatives visiting them back in february, before the lockdown.

We are all at home, with only the opportunity to go to the market, just one person per family and, of course, less times as possible, and sometimes to do a small walk stricly around home.
From yesterday all but the basic companies are closed; from 10 days many are working remotely from home (in example my niece and his husband, both architects, realized a true studio in their living room).

There are some idiots, but the wast majority of the people understands the situation and is behaving very responsibly with great civic sense, as usual for the area where I live; yesterday I went to the market, and the town looks almost a ghost town ... I crossed just 2 cars in half a mile, and just 1 person on a sidewalk.
In the market there were about 20 people, about 15 o 16 with mask, all very quiet and with the right distance.


We can only hope to have reached the peak, and that in the next days the numbers will start to drop.

You are doing the right thing and I hope and pray that this is the peak as well.

[BladeDaywalker]

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[NirvanaFC]

I'm seriously getting depressed reading all of these news. We are so ****.

[molepharmer]

Ran across a 2012 scientific review paper in "Viruses"from a group in France (Geller et al). It provides a very good background on SARS-CoV (brief history, comparison with some other viruses, sensitivity, etc).

Human Coronaviruses: Insights into Environmental Resistance and Its Influence on the Development of New Antiseptic Strategies https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3509683/

One small excerpt.... "This potency of coronaviruses may be responsible for new disastrous outbreaks and therefore should be kept in mind.......No treatment or vaccine is available to fight HCoVs infections."

[Mind_Odyssey]

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[Optimus_Steel]

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Is this real???