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NoDopeOnSundays wrote:?s=20
States competing for supplies just like I said would happen.
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infinite11285 wrote:ClipsFanSince98 wrote:****. I had childhood asthma, that went away by like 8 years old. Hope I'll be okayinfinite11285 wrote:
My father is a Doctor in NorCal, has a similar medical history, and is infected. Anyone who has, or has had, medical issues related to their respiratory system is considered extremely high-risk, given COVID-19 primarily targets the respiratory system. Even someone with a history of asthma is considered high-risk. The infection has led to him contracting pneumonia, and he has to have his lungs drained frequently. I don’t want to scare you, but your sister should be extremely precautious.
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I watched my father take his final breaths, via Skype, yesterday morning. If your sister is still being pressured to go to work despite the severity of current events, tell her it’s not worth it.
ArtMorte wrote:KrazyP wrote:According to the CDC,
In 2017-2018, there were an estimated 44,802,629 cases of the flu in the US with 61099 deaths. This equates to a 0.13% fatality rate.
In 2018-2019 there were an estimated 35,520,883 cases of the flu in the US with 34157 deaths. This equates to a 0.09% fatality rate.
The estimates above are based on extrapolation and not just counting the number of confirmed cases. These estimates are done after the flu season is over. Any estimate done during the season is open to wild variance/errors.
For the corona virus, there have been 26,747 confirmed cases so far with 340 deaths. This puts the fatality rate of confirmed cases at 1.2%. The problem is, theres likely a tonne of unconfirmed cases rolling around. People with minor symptoms probably arent getting tested. There could easily be as many as 5-10x as many overall cases vs those actually reported/confirmed. 'This would put the fatality rate somewhere in the same range as the seasonal flu.
So why is there mass panic? Its not virus itself. Is the fact that the most health care systems aren't built to handle anything new. This is result of a global capitalistic system running wild that is built to serve the 1%.
The pandemic is the health care system not the virus itself.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm
Yes, yes, yes, the fatality rate of COVID-19 isn't terribly high. But it's really stupid to say "The pandemic is the health care system not the virus itself." There isn't a healthcare system on the planet that's equipped to deal with a virus that's a) this highly contagious and b) putting so many people in hospital even if it's not fatal to all of them. The virus is the problem that needs battling against; trying to put some other spin on it is just being a smart ass.
Stillwater wrote:What most are missing in the % fails to factor there's a vaccine available to people for the flu and there won't be one for a year on average projections for COVID-19.
People have antibodies built up to fight the flu, we have none for coronavirus.KrazyP wrote:Stillwater wrote:What most are missing in the % fails to factor there's a vaccine available to people for the flu and there won't be one for a year on average projections for COVID-19.
The vaccine for the flu vaccinates you for the flu from the previous year(s). The flu itself often mutates season by season so the available vaccination for last years flu isn't effective in this case.
NoDopeOnSundays wrote:?s=20
States competing for supplies just like I said would happen.
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KrazyP wrote:ArtMorte wrote:KrazyP wrote:According to the CDC,
In 2017-2018, there were an estimated 44,802,629 cases of the flu in the US with 61099 deaths. This equates to a 0.13% fatality rate.
In 2018-2019 there were an estimated 35,520,883 cases of the flu in the US with 34157 deaths. This equates to a 0.09% fatality rate.
The estimates above are based on extrapolation and not just counting the number of confirmed cases. These estimates are done after the flu season is over. Any estimate done during the season is open to wild variance/errors.
For the corona virus, there have been 26,747 confirmed cases so far with 340 deaths. This puts the fatality rate of confirmed cases at 1.2%. The problem is, theres likely a tonne of unconfirmed cases rolling around. People with minor symptoms probably arent getting tested. There could easily be as many as 5-10x as many overall cases vs those actually reported/confirmed. 'This would put the fatality rate somewhere in the same range as the seasonal flu.
So why is there mass panic? Its not virus itself. Is the fact that the most health care systems aren't built to handle anything new. This is result of a global capitalistic system running wild that is built to serve the 1%.
The pandemic is the health care system not the virus itself.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm
Yes, yes, yes, the fatality rate of COVID-19 isn't terribly high. But it's really stupid to say "The pandemic is the health care system not the virus itself." There isn't a healthcare system on the planet that's equipped to deal with a virus that's a) this highly contagious and b) putting so many people in hospital even if it's not fatal to all of them. The virus is the problem that needs battling against; trying to put some other spin on it is just being a smart ass.
I disagree. A medical catastrophe can happen at any time. The health care system is under-resourced and thats the real problem.
Look at Japan, South Korea, Singapore.....those countries are doing ok. Whats the difference?
ItsDanger wrote:Courtside wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Hopefully there's more emphasis to bring back manufacturing jobs after this so we don't have to guilt sovereign nations into helping.
If the masks were produced here we'd be way ahead right now.
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I understand the fear that is causing the NYT to say this, but it's completely and totally unfair. Would NY state be sending masks to Spain, knowing what they know about the virus?
Yes, China has massively ramped up capacity and is building a stockpile for their own use first while helping and encouraging their industry to grow and help meet the rising global demand. In a situation like this, you must help yourself first before others. It's like the instructions you get on a plane regarding the oxygen masks, to put yours on first and then help others, because if you fail to first protect yourself, then both you AND the person you want to help can die. If you put your mask on first, you are then able to help another, who can help another, etc...
In the case of China and the masks, since they produce probably 80 or 90% of the world's masks, what do you think would happen if they didn't first protect themselves, and then lose the ability to keep producing masks for their own needs, let alone others? It means they first succumb and then by default everyone else that depends on them does too.
If the CDC thinks that the US would need anywhere from 1.5 to 7.5 BILLION masks in the case of a pandemic (as per their own 2015 report), then China would need 4-5X that to ensure they are protected. They are both building towards these numbers themselves while increasing capacity to help others.
You can't pour from an empty cup.
If China fails to keep its own cup full, then they cannot pour anything out to others. Based on the global manufacturing and supply chains that exist, this is the bare truth of the situation. Yes, the rest of the world will need to create their own manufacturing capacity for these products, but it will be years before that has reached adequate levels, so in the mean time we have to rely heavily on China. We have to hope they can keep themselves protected and that as they try to open things up, there are no more outbreaks that would put the entire global supply of masks in jeopardy.
You just proved his point 100%. Need to have supply diversification.
Lalouie wrote:jason bourne wrote:Lalouie wrote:
most of my friends are in scottsdale. i had to cancel because my seminar was cancelled. i know scottsdale like the back of my hand. i've been doing my seminar for 30yrs in old town.
yeah i can visit and we can talk about how big a fail miller has been and how miserable my bruins have been.
I've read what sound like contradictions. One says, cleaning is minimally effective. It doesn't mean it's okay to live in a pig sty but most of the time the virus does not last outside the body. OTOH, we have had the cruise passengers get it en masse. There, bleach doesn't even disinfect it enough. Even then, the specialists say it's due to person-to-person transmission. I still would clean and disinfect, but it's not the best way to combat this. That said, a cheap disinfectant is hydrogen peroxide besides the other recommended ones.
BTW I go to Scottsdale to discuss movie posters. It's a side trip for my hobby while heading down Route 66. My daughter goes to UCLA, too, and hopefully she'll make it all right coming to visit for spring break.
all perplexing reports if you ask me. why so many in new rochelle and barely a handful with players who live life together. the cruise ships i think i can explain. they all breathe recirculated air.
but,,,what did the people do in the synagogue at new rochelle that's different from guys sweating all over each other in a locker room and fly in the same plane. i am perplexed. time will tell but i don't think the virus is as easy to pass. either that or it just bypasses some people
one thing seems pretty certain. it's a strong virus but it can be killed by diligent individuals. i am creating a protocol for me and my wife. indoor clothes and outdoor clothes, and when i get home i put the outdoor clothes in the washer, wash my hands and then take a shower. i assume everything is tainted. i hope they enact a curfew because there's a lot of stupid people walking around
your daughter must be smart
. Go UCLA (It's still not natural for me to say being from No Cal haha).
basketballRob wrote:People have antibodies built up to fight the flu, we have none for coronavirus.KrazyP wrote:Stillwater wrote:What most are missing in the % fails to factor there's a vaccine available to people for the flu and there won't be one for a year on average projections for COVID-19.
The vaccine for the flu vaccinates you for the flu from the previous year(s). The flu itself often mutates season by season so the available vaccination for last years flu isn't effective in this case.
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2012NadalShadow wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Courtside wrote:NoDopeOnSundays wrote:Hopefully there's more emphasis to bring back manufacturing jobs after this so we don't have to guilt sovereign nations into helping.
If the masks were produced here we'd be way ahead right now.
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I understand the fear that is causing the NYT to say this, but it's completely and totally unfair. Would NY state be sending masks to Spain, knowing what they know about the virus?
Yes, China has massively ramped up capacity and is building a stockpile for their own use first while helping and encouraging their industry to grow and help meet the rising global demand. In a situation like this, you must help yourself first before others. It's like the instructions you get on a plane regarding the oxygen masks, to put yours on first and then help others, because if you fail to first protect yourself, then both you AND the person you want to help can die. If you put your mask on first, you are then able to help another, who can help another, etc...
In the case of China and the masks, since they produce probably 80 or 90% of the world's masks, what do you think would happen if they didn't first protect themselves, and then lose the ability to keep producing masks for their own needs, let alone others? It means they first succumb and then by default everyone else that depends on them does too.
If the CDC thinks that the US would need anywhere from 1.5 to 7.5 BILLION masks in the case of a pandemic (as per their own 2015 report), then China would need 4-5X that to ensure they are protected. They are both building towards these numbers themselves while increasing capacity to help others.
You can't pour from an empty cup.
If China fails to keep its own cup full, then they cannot pour anything out to others. Based on the global manufacturing and supply chains that exist, this is the bare truth of the situation. Yes, the rest of the world will need to create their own manufacturing capacity for these products, but it will be years before that has reached adequate levels, so in the mean time we have to rely heavily on China. We have to hope they can keep themselves protected and that as they try to open things up, there are no more outbreaks that would put the entire global supply of masks in jeopardy.
You just proved his point 100%. Need to have supply diversification.
Pointgod wrote:CaptainFanchini wrote:
Stay safe brother. Is there advice you can give people in other countries dealing with the corona virus?
2012NadalShadow wrote:
ArtMorte wrote:KrazyP wrote:ArtMorte wrote:
Yes, yes, yes, the fatality rate of COVID-19 isn't terribly high. But it's really stupid to say "The pandemic is the health care system not the virus itself." There isn't a healthcare system on the planet that's equipped to deal with a virus that's a) this highly contagious and b) putting so many people in hospital even if it's not fatal to all of them. The virus is the problem that needs battling against; trying to put some other spin on it is just being a smart ass.
I disagree. A medical catastrophe can happen at any time. The health care system is under-resourced and thats the real problem.
Look at Japan, South Korea, Singapore.....those countries are doing ok. Whats the difference?
They took earlier containment measures. It's not because their healthcare system has so much more capacity to treat critically ill people than other countries.
In Italy they need army trucks to transport the bodies and crematoriums running around the clock are not able to cremate all the dead. You cannot argue that that sort of capacity should be the norm at all times, because that's just not tied to reality.
ArtMorte wrote:KrazyP wrote:ArtMorte wrote:
Yes, yes, yes, the fatality rate of COVID-19 isn't terribly high. But it's really stupid to say "The pandemic is the health care system not the virus itself." There isn't a healthcare system on the planet that's equipped to deal with a virus that's a) this highly contagious and b) putting so many people in hospital even if it's not fatal to all of them. The virus is the problem that needs battling against; trying to put some other spin on it is just being a smart ass.
I disagree. A medical catastrophe can happen at any time. The health care system is under-resourced and thats the real problem.
Look at Japan, South Korea, Singapore.....those countries are doing ok. Whats the difference?
They took earlier containment measures. It's not because their healthcare system has so much more capacity to treat critically ill people than other countries.
In Italy they need army trucks to transport the bodies and crematoriums running around the clock are not able to cremate all the dead. You cannot argue that that sort of capacity should be the norm at all times, because that's just not tied to reality.
