Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

[Fairview4Life]

Are you implying science isn't capable of altering DNA, and that sequencing would determine whether or not it's completely unaltered ? If so you are wrong my friend. The Indian scientists from an elite institute published that peer reviewed journal to the contrary. They were quickly shut down, vanished and deleted the works. They concluded that the strand seemed to have unnaturally occuring HIV "binding sites" or "inserts".

Yeah, they’re wrong, which is probably why their incorrect nonsense about hiv binding sites or insert was quickly taken down.

I don't know who to believe. But this sounds more plausible out of the two scenarios.

Were they silenced in a way that other scientists can't take their idea and test it to see if they were right? It seems scientists somewhere should be able to reproduce their results or explain why they were right to the rest of the scientific world.

In other words, if what they said in their science was true, do you think other scientists would keep it a secret? Or say no, they were right?

Or is there only a handful of people in the world that understand their genius? And they all want these guys silenced. I guess that's a small possibility too?

Anyone can study the genome. It has been published.

[Fairview4Life]

They listed examples of how it COULD have occured. Nothing definitive at all. We "deduced". Yea doesn't sound like science to me.

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They made very educated guesses on how it could have jumped from animals to humans, but couldn’t definitively say which of the two paths it took. Either jumping first and then sightly evolving the cracking mechanism while in humans, or more likely jumping in its current form. That’s were the educated speculation comes in. The virus itself has a “backbone” that looks very much like known existing viruses in bats and pangolins.

We have seen these types of viruses before and will see them again. All without any human intervention. Virologists and epidemiologists have been warning about this type of pandemic for decades and we have started getting them every decade.

An educated guess is another way of saying we don't know ****. It's literally speculation from intelligent people in essence. It has no more validity or basis in science than the mounds of circumstantial evidence surrounding the idea that this was altered in a laboratory.

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Man that’s just...not how any of this works at all.

[rapstarter]

FFS - Trump really needs to stop going off the rails at these press conferences.

The thing is - it would be better for the country AND his own political fortunes if he let Pence run them. Pence knows when to shut up and when to defer to experts.

The contrast with Cuomo is so stark.

If Pence ran this, no one would watch it. He has zero charisma.

[LKN]

Yeah, they’re wrong, which is probably why their incorrect nonsense about hiv binding sites or insert was quickly taken down.

I don't know who to believe. But this sounds more plausible out of the two scenarios.

Were they silenced in a way that other scientists can't take their idea and test it to see if they were right? It seems scientists somewhere should be able to reproduce their results or explain why they were right to the rest of the scientific world.

In other words, if what they said in their science was true, do you think other scientists would keep it a secret? Or say no, they were right?

Or is there only a handful of people in the world that understand their genius? And they all want these guys silenced. I guess that's a small possibility too?

Anyone can study the genome. It has been published.

Exactly... and there are large numbers of biologists that understand the subject enough to do the analysis themselves.

It would be impossible to hide.

[Clippers2020]

These briefings are helping Trump's reelection campaign, and America approves of his performance, I think 55% coronavirus approval in the latest poll.
They are more effective than rallies, because Demcrats/Independents probably don't watch his rallies much, and CNN don't even televise Trump's rallies.
The only negative is, he's not allowed to be as exciting in these briefings, but its overall very worthwhile when you consider that Biden can't get the spotlight.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Since we are deducing science now let me ask a question. What are the odds of this outbreak being a few miles from the only known top secret, level 4 biological weapons testing facility in China, or the region at all?

What are the odds that China, who has been eating exotic **** for centuries randomly triggered this event from eating a bat or snake (still speculative and unknown)? This is a once in a century event.

Logically nothing adds up to a random bat eating. Not to mention animal to human transmission is still super rare relatively speaking.

What are the chances?

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[SSUBluesman]

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States competing for supplies just like I said would happen.


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I almost think the dems should just nominate Cuomo for as their presidential candidate (I'm not against Biden, he'll listen to experts) but we are going to be recovering from this for quite some time and Cuomo has shown himself to be rock solid in a crisis.

Hell - we should make the guy president right now. I'd sure as hell sleep better.

**** that.

Aside from the fact that Bernie is the candidate whose platform is best equipped to deal with what is happening (as evidenced by everyone pushing for evil, awful "socialism"), Cuomo talked down and *** on De Blasio for pushing for the shutdown he finally agreed to.

This entire ordeal lays waste to how empty and useless centrism and its adherents (Obama, Biden, Cuomo) are to actually deal with the real world.

FFS - Trump really needs to stop going off the rails at these press conferences.

The thing is - it would be better for the country AND his own political fortunes if he let Pence run them. Pence knows when to shut up and when to defer to experts.

The contrast with Cuomo is so stark.

Pence prolonged the HIV outbreak in Indiana by ignoring the experts when it came to a needle sharing program.

[LKN]

Awesome local story for us NC folks

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article241413386.html?

[Pharmcat]

These briefings are helping Trump's reelection campaign, and America approves of his performance, I think 55% coronavirus approval in the latest poll.
They are more effective than rallies, because Demcrats/Independents probably don't watch his rallies much, and CNN don't even televise Trump's rallies.
The only negative is, he's not allowed to be as exciting in these briefings, but its overall very worthwhile when you consider that Biden can't get the spotlight.

Agreed

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Awesome local story for us NC folks

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article241413386.html?

3M also announced they're ramping up production to 100 million per month as well.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Maybe read this:



https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

Which is based on this:




https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

SARS-CoV-2 is the name of the virus that causes the COVID-19 disease.

They listed examples of how it COULD have occured. Nothing definitive at all. We "deduced". Yea doesn't sound like science to me.

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So science doesn't sound like science to you? The scientific method uses deduction and deductive reasoning.

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Here is the empirical scientific method. Still can't find deductive logic hmm. Not to say deductive logic isn't important, but it's hardly settled science friend. It's one person's theory, nothing more.

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[LKN]

Cool thread and I think an interesting question. I highlighted Silver's answer because I agree with it

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[OkcSinceSGA]

They made very educated guesses on how it could have jumped from animals to humans, but couldn’t definitively say which of the two paths it took. Either jumping first and then sightly evolving the cracking mechanism while in humans, or more likely jumping in its current form. That’s were the educated speculation comes in. The virus itself has a “backbone” that looks very much like known existing viruses in bats and pangolins.

We have seen these types of viruses before and will see them again. All without any human intervention. Virologists and epidemiologists have been warning about this type of pandemic for decades and we have started getting them every decade.

An educated guess is another way of saying we don't know ****. It's literally speculation from intelligent people in essence. It has no more validity or basis in science than the mounds of circumstantial evidence surrounding the idea that this was altered in a laboratory.

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Man that’s just...not how any of this works at all.

In this particular case it is. We have nothing more than "educated guesses" at this point. If you have settled science and evidence where they've identified patient zero, traced to wet markets or finally made a decision on whether it's bat, snake or etc let me know.

Until then try not to label others conspiracy theorist because we don't necessarily agree with the existing narrative, which has little factual information behind it YET. Maybe soon we will know for sure.

[Fairview4Life]

Again, that isn’t real life. The words you are using don’t actually make sense the way you think they do.

[HollowEarth]

Since we are deducing science now let me ask a question. What are the odds of this outbreak being a few miles from the only known top secret, level 4 biological weapons testing facility in China, or the region at all?

What are the odds that China, who has been eating exotic **** for centuries randomly triggered this event from eating a bat or snake (still speculative and unknown)? This is a once in a century event.

Logically nothing adds up to a random bat eating. Not to mention animal to human transmission is still super rare relatively speaking.

What are the chances?

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One of the strengths of science is that it's predictive. When scientists studied the 2003 SARS outbreak, they predicted the type of scenario we are now living through. This has already happened before in this century and will likely happen again.

12 years before the COVID-19 pandemic began, scientists warned, in a study published by Clinical Microbiology Reviews in 2007, that the situation in China was a “time bomb” for a dangerous virus outbreak. Their cause for concern was due to the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, with the crowded wet markets packed with wild game and lacking biosecurity, and the common presence of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, in combination with the well-known ability of coronaviruses to undergo genetic recombination.

Coronaviruses are well known to undergo genetic recombination, which may lead to new genotypes and outbreaks. The presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb.

Source:
"Scientists Warned China Was a “Time Bomb” for Novel Coronavirus Outbreak in 2007"
https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-warned-that-china-was-a-time-bomb-for-novel-coronavirus-outbreak-in-2007/

[LKN]

Poor scientists - no one listens to their warnings.... and then everyone gets mad when they can't come up with a magical solution fast enough to the problem they had been warning everyone to prepare for.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Since we are deducing science now let me ask a question. What are the odds of this outbreak being a few miles from the only known top secret, level 4 biological weapons testing facility in China, or the region at all?

What are the odds that China, who has been eating exotic **** for centuries randomly triggered this event from eating a bat or snake (still speculative and unknown)? This is a once in a century event.

Logically nothing adds up to a random bat eating. Not to mention animal to human transmission is still super rare relatively speaking.

What are the chances?

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One of the strengths of science is that it's predictive. When scientists studied the 2003 SARS outbreak, they predicted the type of scenario we are now living through. This has already happened before in this century and will likely happen again.

12 years before the COVID-19 pandemic began, scientists warned, in a study published by Clinical Microbiology Reviews in 2007, that the situation in China was a “time bomb” for a dangerous virus outbreak. Their cause for concern was due to the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, with the crowded wet markets packed with wild game and lacking biosecurity, and the common presence of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, in combination with the well-known ability of coronaviruses to undergo genetic recombination.

Coronaviruses are well known to undergo genetic recombination, which may lead to new genotypes and outbreaks. The presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb.

Source:
"Scientists Warned China Was a “Time Bomb” for Novel Coronavirus Outbreak in 2007"
https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-warned-that-china-was-a-time-bomb-for-novel-coronavirus-outbreak-in-2007/

I'm not saying it's wrong either. I lean that way at times. There are MANY suspicious circumstances though that I don't believe naturally occured. Also these two theories can still have a hybrid theory. What I mean by that is I do believe that the original strand is naturally occurring and the wet market could have spread. Where I differ is from the reports I've seen, I don't doubt it could have inserts or modifications. This was the very basis for biological testing in Wuhan.

Like someone else said, many countries do this. What made Wuhan particularly dangerous is that it was poorly secured, as Israeli intelligence warned years prior. I believe there was an accidental breach. Also let's say a completely unmodified strand is what this is right? Still more likely logically it came from the biological testing laboratory close by than someone biting into a bat

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[NoDopeOnSundays]

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They have done 3498 tests, population of 4.66 million.

[Metallikid]

When you wonder why America's hospitals are so strapped for equipment just remember 1 MQ-9 Reaper drone would have gotten us an additional 1,050 ventilators. We have 195 Reapers.

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I think this will change moving forward. I think you will see part of our defense budget going towards building up the reserves of these supplies. At least I hope that happens. We have a TON of waste in our defense budget.

Reserves won't do anything because the next pandemic (or crisis) could attack a different part of the body and require something completely different. You need to have a system that is able to react with speed, efficacy, and consistency.

"Plans are useless, but planning is indispensable" - Dwight D. Eisenhower

[steger_3434]

Since we are deducing science now let me ask a question. What are the odds of this outbreak being a few miles from the only known top secret, level 4 biological weapons testing facility in China, or the region at all?

What are the odds that China, who has been eating exotic **** for centuries randomly triggered this event from eating a bat or snake (still speculative and unknown)? This is a once in a century event.

Logically nothing adds up to a random bat eating. Not to mention animal to human transmission is still super rare relatively speaking.

What are the chances?

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One of the strengths of science is that it's predictive. When scientists studied the 2003 SARS outbreak, they predicted the type of scenario we are now living through. This has already happened before in this century and will likely happen again.

12 years before the COVID-19 pandemic began, scientists warned, in a study published by Clinical Microbiology Reviews in 2007, that the situation in China was a “time bomb” for a dangerous virus outbreak. Their cause for concern was due to the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, with the crowded wet markets packed with wild game and lacking biosecurity, and the common presence of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, in combination with the well-known ability of coronaviruses to undergo genetic recombination.

Coronaviruses are well known to undergo genetic recombination, which may lead to new genotypes and outbreaks. The presence of a large reservoir of SARS-CoV-like viruses in horseshoe bats, together with the culture of eating exotic mammals in southern China, is a time bomb.

Source:
"Scientists Warned China Was a “Time Bomb” for Novel Coronavirus Outbreak in 2007"
https://scitechdaily.com/scientists-warned-that-china-was-a-time-bomb-for-novel-coronavirus-outbreak-in-2007/

I'm not saying it's wrong either. I lean that way at times. There are MANY suspicious circumstances though that I don't believe naturally occured. Also these two theories can still have a hybrid theory. What I mean by that is I do believe that the original strand is naturally occurring and the wet market could have spread. Where I differ is from the reports I've seen, I don't doubt it could have inserts or modifications. This was the very basis for biological testing in Wuhan.

Like someone else said, many countries do this. What made Wuhan particularly dangerous is that it was poorly secured, as Israeli intelligence warned years prior. I believe there was an accidental breach. Also let's say a completely unmodified strand is what this is right? Still more likely logically it came from the biological testing laboratory close by than someone biting into a bat

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So you go against people knowledgeable about the start of this virus, yet you are irate at people that go against doctors and think this is just a flu. Hmmm


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