Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

[OkcSinceSGA]

Since we are deducing science now let me ask a question. What are the odds of this outbreak being a few miles from the only known top secret, level 4 biological weapons testing facility in China, or the region at all?

What are the odds that China, who has been eating exotic **** for centuries randomly triggered this event from eating a bat or snake (still speculative and unknown)? This is a once in a century event.

Logically nothing adds up to a random bat eating. Not to mention animal to human transmission is still super rare relatively speaking.

What are the chances?

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All these conspiracy theories have been debunked. This is a pretty thorough article that goes through all the reasons why. No sense getting yourself worked up over these things that are just meant to spread misinformation.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/17/covid-19-coronavirus-did-not-come-from-a-lab-study-shows-natural-origins/

BSL-4 facilities maintain the highest level of security among bio-laboratories since they do work on dangerous potentially life-threatening agents such as the Ebola, Lassa fever, and Marburg viruses. So it’s not as if the people inside these labs are playing throw and catch with the viruses and stuffing them into their pockets. To be designated as a BSL-4, the lab has to have the appropriate ventilation systems, reinforced walls, security systems, and construction to keep the wrong things inside and the right things outside.

Is it unusual then to have a BSL-4 facility in a city like Wuhan, China? Not really. There are already at least six BSL-4 facilities in the U.S. in Atlanta, GA, Frederick, MD, Galveston, TX, Hamilton, MT, and San Antonio, TX

Indeed, strong clues had already emerged by February 26, 2020, when a Perspectives piece was published in the New England Journal of Medicine. In the piece, David M. Morens, M.D. and Peter Daszak, Ph.D. from the National Institute of Health (NIH) and Jeffery K. Taubenberger, M.D., Ph.D. wrote: “Of course, scientists tell us that SARS-CoV-2 did not escape from a jar: RNA sequences closely resemble those of viruses that silently circulate in bats, and epidemiologic information implicates a bat-origin virus infecting unidentified animal species sold in China’s live-animal markets.”

In fact, the research team found that the SARS-CoV-2 structure in general is quite different from what humans would have likely concocted. If a human had wanted to create a viral weapon, he or she would have started with the structure of a virus that’s already known to cause illness in people. Naturally, if you want to make a weapon, you may want to start with something like a grenade launcher rather than a smoothie maker, not that the virus looks like either. Instead, the structure of SARS-CoV2 is quite similar to those of viruses known to infect bats and pangolins.

Huh? They DID start with a strand already known to harm people obviously. It's in the Coronavirus/SARS lineage. None of that theory is claiming it's entirely man made strand out of thin air. The claims are related to DNA inserts or modifications in a current SARS strand using what they learned from a bat strand that was particularly infectious

[Johnny Bball]

I'm not saying it's wrong either. I lean that way at times. There are MANY suspicious circumstances though that I don't believe naturally occured. Also these two theories can still have a hybrid theory. What I mean by that is I do believe that the original strand is naturally occurring and the wet market could have spread. Where I differ is from the reports I've seen, I don't doubt it could have inserts or modifications. This was the very basis for biological testing in Wuhan.

Like someone else said, many countries do this. What made Wuhan particularly dangerous is that it was poorly secured, as Israeli intelligence warned years prior. I believe there was an accidental breach. Also let's say a completely unmodified strand is what this is right? Still more likely logically it came from the biological testing laboratory close by than someone biting into a bat

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So you go against people knowledgeable about the start of this virus, yet you are irate at people that go against doctors and think this is just a flu. Hmmm


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Share the knowledge of the start. Show me ONE paper definitively linking to snake, bat or pangolin. Show me patient 0, let alone patient 10. SHOW me

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Well.... go on then... your opinion....how was it started? I already know what your answer will be but lets just get this out in the open.

[OkcSinceSGA]

So you go against people knowledgeable about the start of this virus, yet you are irate at people that go against doctors and think this is just a flu. Hmmm


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Share the knowledge of the start. Show me ONE paper definitively linking to snake, bat or pangolin. Show me patient 0, let alone patient 10. SHOW me

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Well.... go on then... your opinion....how was it started? I already know what your answer will be but lets just get this out in the open.

There is a key difference my friend. I'm not claiming it to be factual, settled science or the right theory. I've made it clear it's my own view

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[Pointgod]

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Are they **** serious with this?

That’s **** idiotic. I honestly wonder the reasoning with this.

[Pointgod]

I love the use of scientific words like proximal & likely. I tried to login using a proximal password but it just didn't work for some reason.

Yes as opposed to the conspiracy theorists who use words like “what are the chances?” Or “what a coincidence”.

[AussieCeltic]

ClipsFanSince98.. I thought you were in Sales not a Virologist?

It seems that you know more about this than the people studying it.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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Are they **** serious with this?

That’s **** idiotic. I honestly wonder the reasoning with this.

The economy > People


Had they ripped the band aid off in Jan/Feb and acted as aggressively as South Korea the market would have tanked then, and would have been much closer to slowly coming back as the outbreak would be more in control. They are so shortsighted and stupid they fail to realize that sending people back to work now won't save the economy and will just prolong the outbreak.

[steger_3434]

Share the knowledge of the start. Show me ONE paper definitively linking to snake, bat or pangolin. Show me patient 0, let alone patient 10. SHOW me

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Well.... go on then... your opinion....how was it started? I already know what your answer will be but lets just get this out in the open.

There is a key difference my friend. I'm not claiming it to be factual, settled science or the right theory. I've made it clear it's my own view

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And people saying it MAY be the common flu when it’s all said and done never claimed to be factual either. Yet you comments like that sent you off the deep end because it went against most experts opinions. And for the record. 12 days ago I was told within a week 1000s would be dying in the us every day yet here we are and we are still being told with a week 1000s will be dying every day


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[mademan]

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Are they **** serious with this?

That’s **** idiotic. I honestly wonder the reasoning with this.

The idea that the economic consequences may end up killing more people than the virus itself. Not sure if it's right or wrong, but we're in uncharted waters here. We have no idea what the world will/would like after a year of enormous, never before seen world wide economic downturn.

[Richfield]

Question:

Lets say it's months from now, and a lot of people know they got it. But there is a percentage of the population that between now and that time, either felt fine the whole time, or maybe had mild symptoms and don't suspect more than a cold or chalk it up to something else. For those people who don't know if they ever got it, will there be some type of test that can show that yes you got it and recovered? Or no you never contracted it?

I don't know what is mitochondrial DNA, and I don't know what are antibodies. They're just words I'm throwing out there with vague ideas about. But with either of these or some other biological processes will it be detectable months from now, if we contracted and recovered from the virus?

I'm not sure it matters, but maybe something to do with future immunity, or lack there of. Still just curious though.

[OkcSinceSGA]

ClipsFanSince98.. I thought you were in Sales not a Virologist?

It seems that you know more about this than the people studying it.

Or I studied other peer reviewed publishings+alternative viewpoint scientists. I don't need to know more than anyone to know the difference between hard science and educated guesses, loosely supported theory based on possibilities of what COULD happen or what MIGHT have happened. Sure I suppose this method is better than pulling stuff out of your ass, but less so than it seems. We still know almost nothing about the origin of this outbreak.

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[LKN]

Well.... go on then... your opinion....how was it started? I already know what your answer will be but lets just get this out in the open.

There is a key difference my friend. I'm not claiming it to be factual, settled science or the right theory. I've made it clear it's my own view

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And people saying it MAY be the common flu when it’s all said and done never claimed to be factual either. Yet you comments like that sent you off the deep end because it went against most experts opinions. And for the record. 12 days ago I was told within a week 1000s would be dying in the us every day yet here we are and we are still being told with a week 1000s will be dying every day


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Why are you positing ridiculous strawmen? Everyone has been saying to watch NY over the next 7-14 days.

You realize the number of official deaths doubled in NY today right?


I sincerely hope I'm wrong and this was all overblown, but the limited data we do have is scary and going in the wrong direction fast.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Well.... go on then... your opinion....how was it started? I already know what your answer will be but lets just get this out in the open.

There is a key difference my friend. I'm not claiming it to be factual, settled science or the right theory. I've made it clear it's my own view

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And people saying it MAY be the common flu when it’s all said and done never claimed to be factual either. Yet you comments like that sent you off the deep end because it went against most experts opinions. And for the record. 12 days ago I was told within a week 1000s would be dying in the us every day yet here we are and we are still being told with a week 1000s will be dying every day


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I never said that, so not sure what to tell you. I did say it's far worse and have made it clear I take it very serious, but don't recall giving a body count myself. Also the "flu bros" have hard evidence against it. It goes beyond me disagreeing with origin, which still isn't settled. We now have many thousands have people under observation that have been tested and studied. It's far less speculative in nature.

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[LKN]

Good thread that talks about testing, the future, etc.

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[Johnny Bball]

Share the knowledge of the start. Show me ONE paper definitively linking to snake, bat or pangolin. Show me patient 0, let alone patient 10. SHOW me

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Well.... go on then... your opinion....how was it started? I already know what your answer will be but lets just get this out in the open.

There is a key difference my friend. I'm not claiming it to be factual, settled science or the right theory. I've made it clear it's my own view

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Nah man, it just doesn't fit with your conspiracy theory is all, so you don't want it to be settled. Otherwise it wouldn't even be an issue worth this many posts at all if you thought it jumped from an asteroid or an insect. Please tell me you think it's man made so I can just laugh. And if you already did.... hahhahahaha.

[Optimus_Steel]

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Are they **** serious with this?

They are insane aren't they?

[gumbyr24]

These briefings are helping Trump's reelection campaign, and America approves of his performance, I think 55% coronavirus approval in the latest poll.
They are more effective than rallies, because Demcrats/Independents probably don't watch his rallies much, and CNN don't even televise Trump's rallies.
The only negative is, he's not allowed to be as exciting in these briefings, but its overall very worthwhile when you consider that Biden can't get the spotlight.

Iv'e been a left-leaning independent my whole life and I completely agree.
After this is over he's gonna have a great opportunity to unite the country.
Media will try to ruin it, but hopefully we will be stronger

[OkcSinceSGA]

Well.... go on then... your opinion....how was it started? I already know what your answer will be but lets just get this out in the open.

There is a key difference my friend. I'm not claiming it to be factual, settled science or the right theory. I've made it clear it's my own view

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Nah man, it just doesn't fit with your conspiracy theory is all, so you don't want it to be settled. Otherwise it wouldn't even be an issue worth this many posts at all if you thought it jumped from an asteroid or an insect. Please tell me you think it's man made so I can just laugh. And if you already did.... hahhahahaha.

Okay.

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[Richfield]

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[mademan]

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Are they **** serious with this?

They are insane aren't they?

How long do you guys think isolation can actually last for before chit hits the fan? How long do you think the government can feed 350 million people before there's no money left?

It's pretty easy to see the rationalization here. The government, without people paying continuous taxes, cant feed people and pay for doctors, police, firefighters...etc that they need to during this crisis. These are uncertain times. Nobody knows what would happen if people dont work for 3 months, 6 months, a year.

So ya, they should be coming up with strategies for people to go back to work.