Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread IV (Must read Post 1)

[Metallikid]

ClipsFanSince98.. I thought you were in Sales not a Virologist?

It seems that you know more about this than the people studying it.

Recent posts have actually confirmed the former, not the latter.

Okay I think that's enough, guys. We're on the same side here let's not lose sight of that.

The matter of where/when/how it was started certainly won't be found out for a long time, if ever.

What matters right now is dealing with the crisis at hand and then making the system more equitable in the future, economically and politically.

[ItsDanger]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32141569

"However, the amino acid sequence of COVID-19 differs from other coronaviruses specifically in the regions of 1ab polyprotein and surface glycoprotein or S-protein. Although several animals have been speculated to be a reservoir for COVID-19, no animal reservoir has been already confirmed."

As the biologist explained to us, a transfer between life forms may likely have 1 or even 2 changes in amino acids, its not likely to have more than 2 if it was natural. This SAR CoV 2 has more then 2 differences in amino acids. While not impossible to occur naturally, it does lean more towards synthetic. I believe its still inconclusive. Your linked articles don't even discuss this aspect. What do you think these people do in these labs all day?

In conclusion, we really need a vaccine and reportedly, its easier to develop if its man made.

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Are they **** serious with this?

They are insane aren't they?

How long do you guys think isolation can actually last for before chit hits the fan? How long do you think the government can feed 350 million people before there's no money left?

It's pretty easy to see the rationalization here. The government, without people paying continuous taxes, cant feed people and pay for doctors, police, firefighters...etc that they need to during this crisis. These are uncertain times. Nobody knows what would happen if people dont work for 3 months, 6 months, a year.

So ya, they should be coming up with strategies for people to go back to work.

I'm about to blow your mind.... The government doesn't need to collect taxes to spend money.

(this is only true for the federal govt... it's not true for state and local governments)

As long as people are still working in the food production and distribution industries everyone will eat as long as the proper policies are in place.

[Pennebaker]

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Here is the empirical scientific method. Still can't find deductive logic hmm. Not to say deductive logic isn't important, but it's hardly settled science friend. It's one person's theory, nothing more.

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Deductive reasoning is right there at the top of your chart, guy.

The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2 paper in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Medicine was by:

* Dr. Kristian G. Andersen, Associate Professor Director of Infectious Disease Genomics, Scripps Research
* Dr. W. Ian Lipkin, John Snow Professor of Epidemiology at the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University and Professor of Neurology and Pathology at the College of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University
* Dr. Andrew Rambaut, Professor of Molecular Evolution, University of Edinburgh
* Dr. Edward C. Holmes, National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) Australia Fellow and professor at the University of Sydney.
* Dr. Robert F. Garry, Professor of Molecular Biology at the University of Hamburg.

So it's not one person's theory.

Listing a bunch of reputable scientists is nice, but doesn't prove a damn thing. I'm asking for more evidence. Because you sure as hell don't respect the scientists who are also top of their fields (such as the group of Indian scientists from a prestigious school), Israeli intelligence officers of 30 years specializing in biological weapons testing etc.

I've been studying science my whole life. Not just in a classroom, but hundreds, if not thousands of hours of my own research, just because I want to learn. Maybe my standards for science are higher than yours. Deduction is founded in logic, not science and is about 5% of an equation. I wouldn't run around saying deductive logic is scientific method.

It's like me telling you basketball is scoring.

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So you mean never in a classroom and all of your thousands of hours of "research" has been you reading random things online. Gotcha.

Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it looks like your standards are far lower than you realize.

Your lifelong self motivated study of "science" has turned you into a conspiracy theorist whose theories wouldn't last 2 seconds if put under the same detailed scrutiny and evaluation by other experts in the field as the Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2 paper was.

[OkcSinceSGA]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32141569

"However, the amino acid sequence of COVID-19 differs from other coronaviruses specifically in the regions of 1ab polyprotein and surface glycoprotein or S-protein. Although several animals have been speculated to be a reservoir for COVID-19, no animal reservoir has been already confirmed."

As the biologist explained to us, a transfer between life forms may likely have 1 or even 2 changes in amino acids, its not likely to have more than 2 if it was natural. This SAR CoV 2 has more then 2 differences in amino acids. While not impossible to occur naturally, it does lean more towards synthetic. I believe its still inconclusive. Your linked articles don't even discuss this aspect. What do you think these people do in these labs all day?

In conclusion, we really need a vaccine and reportedly, its easier to develop if its man made.

Great find

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[mademan]

They are insane aren't they?

How long do you guys think isolation can actually last for before chit hits the fan? How long do you think the government can feed 350 million people before there's no money left?

It's pretty easy to see the rationalization here. The government, without people paying continuous taxes, cant feed people and pay for doctors, police, firefighters...etc that they need to during this crisis. These are uncertain times. Nobody knows what would happen if people dont work for 3 months, 6 months, a year.

So ya, they should be coming up with strategies for people to go back to work.

I'm about to blow your mind.... The government doesn't need to collect taxes to spend money.

(this is only true for the federal govt... it's not true for state and local governments)

As long as people are still working in the food production and distribution industries everyone will eat as long as the proper policies are in place.

oh? And how long will people work in the food production industry, exposing themselves to the virus, while everyone else sits at home and eats for free?

And ya, government can print money and hand out all they want, but, at the end of the day, the economy needs people working. We have no idea what would happen if everybody (or almost everybody) stopped working for an extended period. There's a reason gun sales have soared. Nobody knows wtf is gonna happen

[LKN]

How long do you guys think isolation can actually last for before chit hits the fan? How long do you think the government can feed 350 million people before there's no money left?

It's pretty easy to see the rationalization here. The government, without people paying continuous taxes, cant feed people and pay for doctors, police, firefighters...etc that they need to during this crisis. These are uncertain times. Nobody knows what would happen if people dont work for 3 months, 6 months, a year.

So ya, they should be coming up with strategies for people to go back to work.

I'm about to blow your mind.... The government doesn't need to collect taxes to spend money.

(this is only true for the federal govt... it's not true for state and local governments)

As long as people are still working in the food production and distribution industries everyone will eat as long as the proper policies are in place.

oh? And how long will people work in the food production industry, exposing themselves to the virus, while everyone else sits at home and eats for free?

And ya, government can print money and hand out all they want, but, at the end of the day, the economy needs people working. We have no idea what would happen if everybody (or almost everybody) stopped working for an extended period. There's a reason gun sales have soared. Nobody knows wtf is gonna happen

Here you make fair points. You are absolutely correct, we have never encountered anything like this and we really don't know how long it can be sustained.

COVID-19 isn't deadly enough to stop food production or distribution, but yeah; we can't just do this indefinitely.

I'm hoping we can get to some kind of South Korea model in maybe 12-16 weeks.

[OkcSinceSGA]

Deductive reasoning is right there at the top of your chart, guy.

The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2 paper in the peer-reviewed journal Nature Medicine was by:

* Dr. Kristian G. Andersen, Associate Professor Director of Infectious Disease Genomics, Scripps Research
* Dr. W. Ian Lipkin, John Snow Professor of Epidemiology at the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University and Professor of Neurology and Pathology at the College of Physicians and Surgeons at Columbia University
* Dr. Andrew Rambaut, Professor of Molecular Evolution, University of Edinburgh
* Dr. Edward C. Holmes, National Health and Medical Research Council (NHMRC) Australia Fellow and professor at the University of Sydney.
* Dr. Robert F. Garry, Professor of Molecular Biology at the University of Hamburg.

So it's not one person's theory.

Listing a bunch of reputable scientists is nice, but doesn't prove a damn thing. I'm asking for more evidence. Because you sure as hell don't respect the scientists who are also top of their fields (such as the group of Indian scientists from a prestigious school), Israeli intelligence officers of 30 years specializing in biological weapons testing etc.

I've been studying science my whole life. Not just in a classroom, but hundreds, if not thousands of hours of my own research, just because I want to learn. Maybe my standards for science are higher than yours. Deduction is founded in logic, not science and is about 5% of an equation. I wouldn't run around saying deductive logic is scientific method.

It's like me telling you basketball is scoring.

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So you mean never in a classroom and all of your thousands of hours of "research" has been you reading random things online. Gotcha.

Well I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it looks like your standards are far lower than you realize.

Your lifelong self motivated study of "science" has turned you into a conspiracy theorist whose theories wouldn't last 2 seconds if put under the same detailed scrutiny and evaluation by other experts in the field as the Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2 paper was.

You resorting to ad hominem doesn't change anything I said bud. Nothing in that link you listed is more than educated guessing. It's shaky at best and we don't have enough information yet. Appeal to authority and other stuff you're using won't work.

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[LKN]

Very interesting:

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[BladeDaywalker]

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[OkcSinceSGA]

Very interesting:

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Ah damn.

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[HotRocks34]

Virus task force press conference notes

- 254,000 tests and results (positive or negative) now done in the USA (59,000 more than yesterday)
- Testing priority is for inpatients (sick people in hospitals)

[BladeDaywalker]

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[OkcSinceSGA]

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Not to mention if 80% are supposedly mildly symptomatic or asymptomatic, wouldn't you WANT to test as many people as possible so you can lock in on where it's spreading?

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[OkcSinceSGA]

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Wonder who's lying at this point

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[LKN]

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Wonder who's lying at this point

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I'm not sure anyone is lying. The Democrats though the Republican senate bill was crap so they refused to sign on.

It's just part of the process.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[OkcSinceSGA]

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Great depression was around 25%.

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[Ayt]

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Wonder who's lying at this point

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I'm not sure anyone is lying. The Democrats though the Republican senate bill was crap so they refused to sign on.

It's just part of the process.

This is what one Democratic senator had to say about it.

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[LKN]

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Wonder who's lying at this point

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I'm not sure anyone is lying. The Democrats though the Republican senate bill was crap so they refused to sign on.

It's just part of the process.

This is what one Democratic senator had to say about it.

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Hopefully this isn't getting into partisan things here but a few of those are very important.

- Hospital money
Why do hospitals need money? They've been forced to cancel elective surgeries which is how they make money. Given the crazy lengths some are already going to we need to make sure they stay solvent.

- State and Local Governments
Why do they need money? State and Local governments depend on sales tax, tourism taxes, use taxes and income taxes. Several of these have fallen off massively - some close to zero. Unlike the federal government, states can not just print money. States can't buy masks and ventilators if they don't have money!