OT: Panic Buying. When Will it End?

[Metallikid]

I'm getting a lot of videos on whatsapp showing social gatherings are alive and well. Mississauga, Toronto, Burnaby, Surrey, everywhere.

And the stupidity is pretty global, not local. Every country thinks they have stupid people, when the reality is, humans are just **** stupid in general globally.

And its pretty dangerous how many people still think this is your average flu.

Unfortunately this will devolve into a Survival of the Fittest situation where those who were not smart and did not adapt will be hit the hardest.

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I'm getting a lot of videos on whatsapp showing social gatherings are alive and well. Mississauga, Toronto, Burnaby, Surrey, everywhere.

And the stupidity is pretty global, not local. Every country thinks they have stupid people, when the reality is, humans are just **** stupid in general globally.

And its pretty dangerous how many people still think this is your average flu.

Unfortunately this will devolve into a Survival of the Fittest situation where those who were not smart and did not adapt will be hit the hardest.

Except it won't. Most of these people will not die, but they will get other people killed.

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if you take a free democratic society and enforce a sudden and swift lockdown, it would cause not only panic, but riots. military would have to be involved.

I doubt it. Most people want this to be over with.

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Has anyone had to cancel any flights? westjet has me on some next level anger right now.

Flight - YYZ to Paris - June 2 2020

First call - two weeks ago: cancel for $100x4ppl or wait until 60 days prior and pay $250x4.

Second call - Three days ago: cancel anytime, but I'm stuck with the full fare. I would be out $2500. No $100 or $250 as mentioned prior. I was apparently "given the wrong info" the first time

Third call - tonight: can cancel for $100 now or $250 after April 2nd again. Money goes to travel bank, not MC which I'm fine with.

My issue is - why do I need to pay a $460 fee to cancel four flights? When I booked in December, I booked for a flight to Paris. Today, they cannot guarantee a flight to Paris for obvious reasons. Why am I now out $460 because we can't guarantee a flight ? Their best advice, constantly is to keep calling back (and waiting 2 hours) to see if travel advisories change. But if I wait a week, my fee goes from $460 to $1060.

Feels good to get this rant off my best. Loyal Westjet customer here. Ripping up my RBC Westjet MC and never flying with these **** again.

Airlines are some of the biggest scammers around.

[C_Money]

if you take a free democratic society and enforce a sudden and swift lockdown, it would cause not only panic, but riots. military would have to be involved.

It’s happening in parts of Europe right now and nobody is rioting. It should be happening here but this country is soft AF.

Yeah I don't think that's it. Do you have any idea how hard it is to immediately deploy the army?

It's happening in parts of Europe that have started to hit the peak of cases. It would be helpful if we could employ the same methods China does but that's really not possible. And certainly not with the speed they did. If anything the army should be quarantining all large cities and not letting people in or out without cause. Letting it spread to every rural community would be really bad.

On the plus side we have been testing a hell of a lot.

So what do you plan? Wait until the virus gets out of control before the harsh decisions finally get made?

[Metallikid]

I'm getting a lot of videos on whatsapp showing social gatherings are alive and well. Mississauga, Toronto, Burnaby, Surrey, everywhere.

And the stupidity is pretty global, not local. Every country thinks they have stupid people, when the reality is, humans are just **** stupid in general globally.

And its pretty dangerous how many people still think this is your average flu.

Unfortunately this will devolve into a Survival of the Fittest situation where those who were not smart and did not adapt will be hit the hardest.

Except it won't. Most of these people will not die, but they will get other people killed.

Will they get other people killed? Yes.

Will they die at a higher rate because they were the stupid ones gathering together in large crowds? Yes.

The people staying at home and social isolating as best they can will be the least affected.

Those that don't will be the most affected; them, and their families.

[C_Money]

Oddly enough it’s the more f*cked up countries that have this thing under control. They have no problem shutting the border/airports and forcing everybody to stay inside until it’s over.

[Westside Gunn]

i think that would be it. things have to go really bad for things to get really bad.

in hindsight, being in the other side of the globe, you really had all the time in the world to not even get it to this stage. its not only trudeau, but trump as well. some proactivity would've prevented a 90 billion dollar stimulus package and people would most likely still have their jobs. any canadians abroad, eff you stay there and get treated before you come here. any non canadian that wants to come here, eff you, stay away. it sounds harsh but it would've prevented this

im not worried about a lockdown at all. the aftermath will be the worst. lots of jobs lost with a tenant/landlord warfare.

pray everyone

[Metallikid]

It’s happening in parts of Europe right now and nobody is rioting. It should be happening here but this country is soft AF.

Yeah I don't think that's it. Do you have any idea how hard it is to immediately deploy the army?

It's happening in parts of Europe that have started to hit the peak of cases. It would be helpful if we could employ the same methods China does but that's really not possible. And certainly not with the speed they did. If anything the army should be quarantining all large cities and not letting people in or out without cause. Letting it spread to every rural community would be really bad.

On the plus side we have been testing a hell of a lot.

So what do you plan? Wait until the virus gets out of control before the rash decisions finally get made?

I plan to socially isolate and only go out when absolutely necessary as I hope others will do.

Do you actually think it was possible to mobilize the army two weeks ago when we had less than 50 cases and make them enforce quarantines at gunpoint?

Do you realize we can't shut down air travel in its entirety until most Canadians could come back to Canada?

Trudeau probably wanted to close the American border to everything non-essential earlier but the U.S. has incredible sway and because of that it took longer.

Not everything can be done instantaneously. If you are as upset as you appear to be remember that feeling when it comes time to build a more equitable, responsible society for everyone.

[Wo1verine]

These dumb selfish **** who can't stay in and do the right thing will end up catching it while having no idea what the lasting effects will be on own body for weeks/months/years to come.

Also Canada needs to do more and not wait for things to get worse before doing so.

[Wo1verine]

i think that would be it. things have to go really bad for things to get really bad.

in hindsight, being in the other side of the globe, you really had all the time in the world to not even get it to this stage. its not only trudeau, but trump as well. some proactivity would've prevented a 90 billion dollar stimulus package and people would most likely still have their jobs. any canadians abroad, eff you stay there and get treated before you come here. any non canadian that wants to come here, eff you, stay away. it sounds harsh but it would've prevented this

im not worried about a lockdown at all. the aftermath will be the worst. lots of jobs lost with a tenant/landlord warfare.

pray everyone

Can only pray the next leaders for both countries take notice and realize the massive fails both US and Canadian leaders archived with regards to protecting it's own people when something like this takes place again.

IMO, both governments have blood on their hands for not doing enough from the get go.

[mkot]

Has anyone had to cancel any flights? westjet has me on some next level anger right now.

Flight - YYZ to Paris - June 2 2020

First call - two weeks ago: cancel for $100x4ppl or wait until 60 days prior and pay $250x4.

Second call - Three days ago: cancel anytime, but I'm stuck with the full fare. I would be out $2500. No $100 or $250 as mentioned prior. I was apparently "given the wrong info" the first time

Third call - tonight: can cancel for $100 now or $250 after April 2nd again. Money goes to travel bank, not MC which I'm fine with.

My issue is - why do I need to pay a $460 fee to cancel four flights? When I booked in December, I booked for a flight to Paris. Today, they cannot guarantee a flight to Paris for obvious reasons. Why am I now out $460 because we can't guarantee a flight ? Their best advice, constantly is to keep calling back (and waiting 2 hours) to see if travel advisories change. But if I wait a week, my fee goes from $460 to $1060.

Feels good to get this rant off my best. Loyal Westjet customer here. Ripping up my RBC Westjet MC and never flying with these **** again.

I had a relatively present experience with ANA and Air Canada. All flights cancelled without any penalty. Initially I need to pay $200 to cancel my flight to Tokyo, then a week later ANA notified my agent there will be no penalty at all.

[Wo1verine]

Canadians stuck in other countries over pure stupidity - How can anyone feel sorry for them? Traveling when things were bound to get worse eventually.

If i was PM, they'd be staying put until further notice All these travelers should count their blessings that they'll be coming home soon and make educated decisions next time should a predictable pandemic happen again.

[CantStopTheRock]

if you take a free democratic society and enforce a sudden and swift lockdown, it would cause not only panic, but riots. military would have to be involved.

I doubt it. Most people want this to be over with.

I just posted an article. 72% of people think the worst is already over. 30% think its okay to be in big groups still

A lot of people are stupid

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/virus-rebels-france-florida-flout-072721740.html

[UnRealGM]

this is not even close to being over. will peak in late summer / fall.

[Courtside]

if you take a free democratic society and enforce a sudden and swift lockdown, it would cause not only panic, but riots. military would have to be involved.

It’s happening in parts of Europe right now and nobody is rioting. It should be happening here but this country is soft AF.

Yeah I don't think that's it. Do you have any idea how hard it is to immediately deploy the army?

It's happening in parts of Europe that have started to hit the peak of cases. It would be helpful if we could employ the same methods China does but that's really not possible. And certainly not with the speed they did. If anything the army should be quarantining all large cities and not letting people in or out without cause. Letting it spread to every rural community would be really bad.

On the plus side we have been testing a hell of a lot.

Where did you get the idea that any part of Europe is near their peak cases?

[Fairview4Life]

It’s happening in parts of Europe right now and nobody is rioting. It should be happening here but this country is soft AF.

Yeah I don't think that's it. Do you have any idea how hard it is to immediately deploy the army?

It's happening in parts of Europe that have started to hit the peak of cases. It would be helpful if we could employ the same methods China does but that's really not possible. And certainly not with the speed they did. If anything the army should be quarantining all large cities and not letting people in or out without cause. Letting it spread to every rural community would be really bad.

On the plus side we have been testing a hell of a lot.

Where did you get the idea that any part of Europe is near their peak cases?

In theory Italy should hopefully be near a plateau for new daily cases.

[Lord_Zedd]

if you take a free democratic society and enforce a sudden and swift lockdown, it would cause not only panic, but riots. military would have to be involved.

It’s happening in parts of Europe right now and nobody is rioting. It should be happening here but this country is soft AF.

Canada is way to spread out for the military. I'm in favour of a lockdown, but more to the style of Quebec as a starting point - where malls, non essential businesses and dine-in restaurants are closed until May 1st. Here in Ontario, we're begging non-essential businesses to close with a "pretty please" and there's no way school's should resume in April 6th. Things haven't gotten any better and we're backlogged in cases by over 8k

Yeah I don't think that's it. Do you have any idea how hard it is to immediately deploy the army?

It's happening in parts of Europe that have started to hit the peak of cases. It would be helpful if we could employ the same methods China does but that's really not possible. And certainly not with the speed they did. If anything the army should be quarantining all large cities and not letting people in or out without cause. Letting it spread to every rural community would be really bad.

On the plus side we have been testing a hell of a lot.

There's no signs of it peaking in Italy and Spain is getting worse by the day, and it's ramping up now in the UK.

[Courtside]

Yeah I don't think that's it. Do you have any idea how hard it is to immediately deploy the army?

It's happening in parts of Europe that have started to hit the peak of cases. It would be helpful if we could employ the same methods China does but that's really not possible. And certainly not with the speed they did. If anything the army should be quarantining all large cities and not letting people in or out without cause. Letting it spread to every rural community would be really bad.

On the plus side we have been testing a hell of a lot.

Where did you get the idea that any part of Europe is near their peak cases?

In theory Italy should hopefully be near a plateau for new daily cases.

Lombardy may be near peak, but the wave is only nearing shore in the rest of the country. This week will be telling in terms of hospitalizations in other areas, and then the following week for the testing to start telling them what they will already know by the hospitalizations. The curve will be slower for sure, but really doubt it's flat or downwards. If it is, it's because the testing will ne behind.

[And1+2]

I have some major issues with how this is being handled in my industry. All provinces have taken the stance that the Construction Industry is an essential service, and we are to remain open for business until further notice.

Nova Scotia just innacted a state of emergency, and for some reason the construction industry has major exemptions to social distancing, gatherings of groups, and interprovincial travel.

Source: Government of NS

"Nova Scotia borders will tighten to travellers and all entry points (land, sea, air) will be closely managed. Anyone entering the province will be stopped, questioned, and told to self-isolate for 14 days. Exemptions for cross-border travel include healthy workers in trades and transportations sectors who move goods and people (e.g. truck drivers); healthy people going to work (e.g. health-care workers); and people travelling into the province for essential health services (e.g. chemotherapy treatment)."

AND

"There are several groups who are essential and exempt from gathering limits. They include but are not limited to grocery stores, gas stations, and pharmacies. If possible, one person per family should be designated to do these tasks. Other groups include construction sites, health-care services, community services (e.g. child protection) and criminal justice services, and law enforcement."

It's messed up. The construction industry is not essential right now, at least in terms of new construction. Yes, there is always maintenance that needs to take place to keep other essential services going, and I get that. There is a serious conflict of interest going on, and a lot of lobbying by developers and construction companies to remain operational, and in my opinion to the complete detriment of their working class employees. Further, I believe the provinces themselves have a conflict of interest that is two fold:

- They want infrastructure and Public Works projects to remain on schedule.

- They want to keep as many people as possible off employment insurance.

There is no feasible way I can keep a construction site operational in a productive manner without those exemptions in place, but there is also no moral or socially conscious way I can keep construction site open by following those exemptions.

We have put in place protocols and procedures to adhere to on site, and have rented hand washing stations and have placed signage throughout, but the fact of the matter remains that a construction site is difficult to police even at the best of times. It doesn't make sense that we are isolating a large portion of the population, but not another that very easily could be.

And of course our ownership is telling me to keep the site open, against my better judgement, and to follow provincial and federal regulations. In other words we will go on until the canary stops singing...

I'm very frustrated right now.