Image ImageImage Image

Coronavirus

Moderators: HomoSapien, coldfish, Payt10, Ice Man, dougthonus, Michael Jackson, Tommy Udo 6 , kulaz3000, DASMACKDOWN, fleet, GimmeDat, RedBulls23, AshyLarrysDiaper

User avatar
DuckIII
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 71,832
And1: 37,226
Joined: Nov 25, 2003
Location: On my high horse.
     

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1261 » by DuckIII » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:32 pm

nitetrain8603 wrote:
DuckIII wrote:Regardless of whether Trump specifically told people to start self medicating - he clearly did not - he should know that this is a risk in desperate times when the statement comes from the top. If he vetted instead of just spewing, someone would have advised him of this.

Also, while I realize he’s trying to spread some hope (curb economic downturn) part of the problem to many of us is that he’s been trying to optimistically spin everything for a long time now and in fact acted consistent with that optimism (I’m being euphemistic) to the detriment of preemptive measures.

I wish he would just be more conservative and defer more to medical experts. For example, just have Fauci make an accurate and fully considered comment and tweet that. Fauci finds himself repeatedly correcting the president’s misstatements, and far fewer people see the corrections than the misstatements.


I think this is everything wrong with the tweet. With that said, it's not overly bad either. I'm not a supporter of him, but I'm okay with congratulating people on hard work.


This particular tweet is way far down the list of Trump tweet folly, but it is still an example of several easily avoided problems with how he executes his presidency.
Once a pickle, never a cucumber again.
Dresden
RealGM
Posts: 14,357
And1: 6,707
Joined: Nov 02, 2017
       

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1262 » by Dresden » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:33 pm

dougthonus wrote:My daughter doing her part to help:

Read on Twitter



That's great Doug. It's always amazing how people come together to do whatever they can in times of crisis.
Dresden
RealGM
Posts: 14,357
And1: 6,707
Joined: Nov 02, 2017
       

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1263 » by Dresden » Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:39 pm

BTW, a very thorough article from NYT nicely summarizes a blueprint for what needs to be done, according to scientists and experts in disease control: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/health/coronavirus-restrictions-us.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage. I believe it's free, too- they are giving open access to corona news.
Fl_Flash
Starter
Posts: 2,492
And1: 383
Joined: Jun 28, 2001
     

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1264 » by Fl_Flash » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:09 pm

MrSparkle wrote:
He can instill hope by actually not speaking publicly or via twitter, anymore. There's a big fire at the school yard and the bratty 10 year old is pompously talking game in the center of it while a bunch of teachers are trying to put it out and everyone without a POTUS Health Insurance, real estate empire and security detail are getting burnt.

He has categorically mismanaged this on the most incompetent level for a US President in all of this country's history. The military people are shaking their heads, the medical industry is shaking its head, state governors are dumping on him, the media is frustrated, Wall St has no confidence in his speeches (it's been chaotic dumping with slight upturns, and more dumping), foreign leaders are shaking their head, his own chief medical officer is face-palming on camera.

Yet here you are FL Flash, getting this guy's back. When does it stop?

Here's my opinion - he should be golfing right now. I don't care if my tax dollars pay for his golfing until December. Get him off the podium and on the course. Create a roundtable of powerful replacements to manage the situation and the PR. I don't care if it's George W Bush and Dick Cheney.


See, why couldn't you have posted this instead of trying to be cute? I agree with you about him just shutting up. I think he'd actually win over some of the more moderate folks if he'd just stop engaging the press and saying stupid things. I don't mind Trumps IDGAF attitude towards the political machine, I do mind that attitude in how he conducts himself. He's not very presidential.

I don't disagree that this whole thing has been mismanaged. The degree to which I don't agree with. That's symantics. The market downturn - that was going to happen regardless of who is sitting in the oval office.

I find it curious that you'd state that I "have his back". I'm merely questioning the response to this tweet. It was poorly worded but positive in nature and yet there are those who can't see beyond their own pre-conceived notions. It's OK to say something like "hey - that was a good thing he said. He shouldn't have said it in the way he did, but I like the message." It doesn't make you any more or less in one camp or another.

I respect the office of the President of the United States. I suppose I'm old-fashioned (I'm certainly getting old!). I haven't really liked a standing president going back to Reagan. I'm conservative in my political and economic thinking. I'm not enamored with either political party. Too much trench mentality. We've lost the ability to dialog and compromise.

I support your right to want Trump to take a golf vacation. It's your privilege to do so.
Bandit King
Analyst
Posts: 3,498
And1: 1,178
Joined: Oct 14, 2012
       

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1265 » by Bandit King » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:47 pm

Donald Trump is not a doctor he is a chimpanzee who only cares about money.
Chicago Bulls Basketball - The Continuity
GetBuLLish
General Manager
Posts: 9,043
And1: 2,643
Joined: Jan 14, 2009

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1266 » by GetBuLLish » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:49 pm

People are really mad about that Trump tweet?

My goodness, Trump has seriously broken people.
Dresden
RealGM
Posts: 14,357
And1: 6,707
Joined: Nov 02, 2017
       

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1267 » by Dresden » Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:50 pm

One interesting aspect of caring for those with Corona that was pointed out in that NYT's article is that in China, they began taking the infected out of their homes and moving them to special hospitals (often makeshift). This helped quite a bit to keep other members of the household from being infected, although it was difficult to get people to leave the safety of their homes and their loved ones. But it was deemed to be very effective, as 80-90% of transmission was thought to have occurred within family networks.

I haven't heard this being discussed here, but it might be a good idea. I know cruise companies have offered up their vessels for this sort of use, as have military bases.
Dresden
RealGM
Posts: 14,357
And1: 6,707
Joined: Nov 02, 2017
       

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1268 » by Dresden » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:00 pm

GetBuLLish wrote:People are really mad about that Trump tweet?

My goodness, Trump has seriously broken people.


I think people are just fed up with his response over the course of this whole event. He has consistently and dangerously underestimated it's impact and it's threat since it first came on the radar. And he has put out information that is just dead wrong- such as saying that anyone who wanted to get tested, can do so. You expect the president of the country to be able to get the most basic facts such as that, correct.

Larry Summers was just on CNN, saying that when people can't trust what their leaders are saying, it just contributes to the panic. What people need from it's leaders in a time of crisis like this, he said, is accurate information, accurate forecasts, and accurate advice.

Just for instance, today Trump is saying he could possibly relax the social distancing guidelines soon- against the advice of almost all of our medical experts.
MrSparkle
RealGM
Posts: 23,424
And1: 11,210
Joined: Jul 31, 2003
Location: chicago

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1269 » by MrSparkle » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:01 pm

Fl_Flash wrote:
MrSparkle wrote:
He can instill hope by actually not speaking publicly or via twitter, anymore. There's a big fire at the school yard and the bratty 10 year old is pompously talking game in the center of it while a bunch of teachers are trying to put it out and everyone without a POTUS Health Insurance, real estate empire and security detail are getting burnt.

He has categorically mismanaged this on the most incompetent level for a US President in all of this country's history. The military people are shaking their heads, the medical industry is shaking its head, state governors are dumping on him, the media is frustrated, Wall St has no confidence in his speeches (it's been chaotic dumping with slight upturns, and more dumping), foreign leaders are shaking their head, his own chief medical officer is face-palming on camera.

Yet here you are FL Flash, getting this guy's back. When does it stop?

Here's my opinion - he should be golfing right now. I don't care if my tax dollars pay for his golfing until December. Get him off the podium and on the course. Create a roundtable of powerful replacements to manage the situation and the PR. I don't care if it's George W Bush and Dick Cheney.


See, why couldn't you have posted this instead of trying to be cute? I agree with you about him just shutting up. I think he'd actually win over some of the more moderate folks if he'd just stop engaging the press and saying stupid things. I don't mind Trumps IDGAF attitude towards the political machine, I do mind that attitude in how he conducts himself. He's not very presidential.

I don't disagree that this whole thing has been mismanaged. The degree to which I don't agree with. That's symantics. The market downturn - that was going to happen regardless of who is sitting in the oval office.

I find it curious that you'd state that I "have his back". I'm merely questioning the response to this tweet. It was poorly worded but positive in nature and yet there are those who can't see beyond their own pre-conceived notions. It's OK to say something like "hey - that was a good thing he said. He shouldn't have said it in the way he did, but I like the message." It doesn't make you any more or less in one camp or another.

I respect the office of the President of the United States. I suppose I'm old-fashioned (I'm certainly getting old!). I haven't really liked a standing president going back to Reagan. I'm conservative in my political and economic thinking. I'm not enamored with either political party. Too much trench mentality. We've lost the ability to dialog and compromise.

I support your right to want Trump to take a golf vacation. It's your privilege to do so.


Fair enough. I'm pretty liberal but also agree with some conservative/capitalist economic concepts, and sometimes appreciate the classic GOP sentiment that "reality hurts" and life isn't a comic book of goods and bads that can be resolved by beating up the rich tycoons and spreading the wealth. But I also think the GOP party went from 'uptight' (in a militaristic and old-fashioned, respectable way) to dangerous to really, really dangerous with Trump/tea party.

As someone with close relatives, in-laws, etc. who bought the Trump kool-aid, I've learned to just keep my mouth shut at the family get-togethers. But one thing I'll say is there's a sad truth; younger people, most Gen X/Y/Z "get" the internet and modern media better, because we were learning about the internet in middle school. Baby Boomers overwhelmingly get their news from Cable TV and tweets. So it's hard when I hear opinions shaped from those secondary sources or opinion pieces, and I'm regularly reading totally opposite facts from primary sources, videos, etc. Not trying to pat my back ; I'll listen to my in-laws advice and expertise on a whole range of things, but current world, economic and political affairs? No thanks.

So it's been tough to have dialogue. I don't hate anybody for their political views, but I've lived through 6 presidential administrations, and I don't ever remember the general "table manners" and basic ethics and humanity becoming so injudicious, and having a large base that actually supports it patriotically with our flag. That's why it's even more frustrating as things just get worse, worse and worse - Trump is running a bankruptcy. The wall street crash was coming regardless of COVID-19. It was the same reckless bubble that happened in 2000-2008, but exponentially more accelerated. This COVID situation exposed the fragility, and instead of rolling up his sleeves and handling it like any person with a heart would, he is treating this like his 11 casinos and resorts which bankrupted; his share-holders, partners and employers all ate dirt. The Taj Mahal sold for 4 cents to the dollars. Trump made off with millions. You can bet the same exact thing is happening; the Trump and Kushner families and their infinite descendants will be set for life if a Depression hits.

The fact that he disbanded the pandemic team 2 years ago, disregarded all the warnings for 3 months now... then you have McConnell and the GOP pushing more of their agendas into a crisis bill (and I actually 90% supported their 600/1200/0 2018 income tax stipend check as opposed to AOC's cries for a huge bailout to every citizen), Barr continuing to push some shady judicial agendas during all this... and then you have the POTUS not taking responsibility, saying irresponsible things, reacting late to everything. It makes my blood boil.
GetBuLLish
General Manager
Posts: 9,043
And1: 2,643
Joined: Jan 14, 2009

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1270 » by GetBuLLish » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:14 pm

Dresden wrote:
GetBuLLish wrote:People are really mad about that Trump tweet?

My goodness, Trump has seriously broken people.


I think people are just fed up with his response over the course of this whole event. He has consistently and dangerously underestimated it's impact and it's threat since it first came on the radar. And he has put out information that is just dead wrong- such as saying that anyone who wanted to get tested, can do so. You expect the president of the country to be able to get the most basic facts such as that, correct.

Larry Summers was just on CNN, saying that when people can't trust what their leaders are saying, it just contributes to the panic. What people need from it's leaders in a time of crisis like this, he said, is accurate information, accurate forecasts, and accurate advice.

Just for instance, today Trump is saying he could possibly relax the social distancing guidelines soon- against the advice of almost all of our medical experts.


I think it has less to do with Trump and more to do with people having nervous breakdowns. I mean, you can’t have a reasonable discussion anymore with people anymore. This thread is a good example.

It all stems from the constant BS the media spews and unfortunately there are a lot of ignorant people who eat it up.
Bandit King
Analyst
Posts: 3,498
And1: 1,178
Joined: Oct 14, 2012
       

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1271 » by Bandit King » Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:28 pm

The only media trump listens to Fox and Friends.
Chicago Bulls Basketball - The Continuity
MalagaBulls
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,070
And1: 2,226
Joined: Dec 15, 2013
Location: Malaga, Spain (Where the Sun shines 300 days a year))
         

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1272 » by MalagaBulls » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:02 pm

IOC postpones Summer Games until 2021.

Read on Twitter
madvillian
RealGM
Posts: 22,341
And1: 9,330
Joined: Dec 23, 2004
Location: Brooklyn

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1273 » by madvillian » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:07 pm

GetBuLLish wrote:People are really mad about that Trump tweet?

My goodness, Trump has seriously broken people.


It's like Jim Boylen. Even when he says something halfway reasonable you're reminded of the countless other dumb **** things they've done and said.

Blind squirrel finds a nut and all that.
dumbell78 wrote:Random comment....Mikal Bridges stroke is dripping right now in summer league. Carry on.


I'll go ahead and make a sig bet that Mikal is better by RPM this year than Zach.
Dresden
RealGM
Posts: 14,357
And1: 6,707
Joined: Nov 02, 2017
       

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1274 » by Dresden » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:21 pm

GetBuLLish wrote:
Dresden wrote:
GetBuLLish wrote:People are really mad about that Trump tweet?

My goodness, Trump has seriously broken people.


I think people are just fed up with his response over the course of this whole event. He has consistently and dangerously underestimated it's impact and it's threat since it first came on the radar. And he has put out information that is just dead wrong- such as saying that anyone who wanted to get tested, can do so. You expect the president of the country to be able to get the most basic facts such as that, correct.

Larry Summers was just on CNN, saying that when people can't trust what their leaders are saying, it just contributes to the panic. What people need from it's leaders in a time of crisis like this, he said, is accurate information, accurate forecasts, and accurate advice.

Just for instance, today Trump is saying he could possibly relax the social distancing guidelines soon- against the advice of almost all of our medical experts.


I think it has less to do with Trump and more to do with people having nervous breakdowns. I mean, you can’t have a reasonable discussion anymore with people anymore. This thread is a good example.

It all stems from the constant BS the media spews and unfortunately there are a lot of ignorant people who eat it up.


While it is true that presidents will get bashed by people from the other party during a crisis no matter what they do or say, I'm old enough to have remembered the Nixon administration, and I have never seen a president who is so ill informed, so oblivious to the facts, and so willing to flat out lie to the people, as this president is. So I do think a lot of this is specifically about the incompetence that is being displayed by Donald Trump. He is so far beyond the norm of what has been considered presidential behavior, that the scale will probably have to be recalibrated when he is done.
MalagaBulls
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,070
And1: 2,226
Joined: Dec 15, 2013
Location: Malaga, Spain (Where the Sun shines 300 days a year))
         

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1275 » by MalagaBulls » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:37 pm

On a positive note, globally 3D technical specialists are helping to lay the foundation to mass produce critical parts used to manufacture breathing ventilators. Here in Spain the same is happening.

Read on Twitter
Dan Z
RealGM
Posts: 18,512
And1: 9,193
Joined: Feb 19, 2002
Location: Chicago
 

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1276 » by Dan Z » Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:41 pm

Read on Twitter
User avatar
JohnnyKILLroy
RealGM
Posts: 12,474
And1: 4,661
Joined: Jun 18, 2008
Location: Fountain Valley- A nice place to live
       

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1277 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:15 pm

Bandit King wrote:Donald Trump is not a doctor he is a chimpanzee who only cares about money.


I wish he were as smart as a chimpanzee.
What is happiness? It's a moment before you need more happiness.” — Don Draper
User avatar
DuckIII
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 71,832
And1: 37,226
Joined: Nov 25, 2003
Location: On my high horse.
     

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1278 » by DuckIII » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:19 pm

Britain reverses course and initiates lockdown. Shocker. I thought for sure encouraging exposure was going to work brilliantly.
Once a pickle, never a cucumber again.
User avatar
AKfanatic
RealGM
Posts: 12,210
And1: 10,068
Joined: May 20, 2001
     

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1279 » by AKfanatic » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:22 pm

An Arizona man died after ingesting chloroquine phosphate in an attempt to protect himself from becoming infected with the coronavirus. The man's wife also ingested the drug, and is currently under critical care.

The drug chloroquine is used to treat malaria, and some early research suggests it may be useful in treating COVID-19, the illness caused by the coronavirus.


A press release from Banner Health, based in Arizona, said the husband and wife, both in their 60s, took an additive called chloroquine phosphate used to clean fish tanks, to try to prevent coronavirus.

Within half an hour, both needed to seek emergency medical care. The man later died.

On Friday, the Nigeria Centre for Disease Control pleaded with its citizens not to engage in self-medication with chloroquine, as it "will cause harm and can lead to death." The country had reported at least two such poisonings.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/man-dies-after-ingesting-chloroquine-attempt-prevent-coronavirus-n1167166
User avatar
AKfanatic
RealGM
Posts: 12,210
And1: 10,068
Joined: May 20, 2001
     

Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1280 » by AKfanatic » Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:28 pm

DuckIII wrote:Britain reverses course and initiates lockdown. Shocker. I thought for sure encouraging exposure was going to work brilliantly.


Damn those Brits and leftists, Trump hater... *checks notes... -Boris Johnson- attempting to tank the economy to beat Trump...

Return to Chicago Bulls