OT: Panic Buying. When Will it End?

[B-Ball Freak]

i cant think of one country, at least developed, 1st world that handled this properly.

Trudeau,Johnson, trump , macron, merkel all handled this pretty poorly. you cant just single out Trudeau on this

Korea

Taiwan and Singapore too. You might say Trudeau was too late to react, my position is better late than never and also take a look at the bright side, at least we're not being led by Trump.

[gp2015]

No you do not understand.

If you wash your hands incorrectly you are no worse than when you started.

If you wear a mask incorrectly and touch your face more - that is worse than no mask

How does Italy catching up to China equate to masking everyone is better?

Washing your hands incorrectly is the same as not washing your hands at all? Are you serious?

Huh? That is not what I wrote. Unless you are replying to Indeed

I meant there is no harm in washing your hands

Sorry, my fault, I misunderstood.

[gp2015]

i cant think of one country, at least developed, 1st world that handled this properly.

Trudeau,Johnson, trump , macron, merkel all handled this pretty poorly. you cant just single out Trudeau on this

Korea

Taiwan and Singapore too. You might say Trudeau was too late to react, my position is better late than never and also take a look at the bright side, at least we're not being led by Trump.

+ Japan and Hong Kong.

They seem to have it somewhat under control.

Take a look at the measures they put in place. They're much stricter than anything we have here and sometimes that's necessary to protect people's health rather than just let some dumbasses do whatever they want.

For example:

https://qz.com/1822215/hong-kong-uses-tracking-wristbands-for-coronavirus-quarantine/

[JYD]

Trudeau I feel understands the direction but not the urgency.

Like the kid who has a house party that is clearly getting out of control, the guests keep playing football with his grandma's urn etc, and he goes room to room pleading with people to please knock it off.

'Enough is enough', right? Call the cops already, be a cop and shut it down before the house catches on fire.

Like what the US is about to deal with. Only theirs is a grease fire on top of it and they're trying to stop it with water.

Businesses should not be open unless working from home. Airport should not be open if you're not ensuring quarantine with monitoring for each and every person who comes through, for 2 weeks after they do. Period.

[gp2015]

600+ new cases of Coronavirus in Canada since yesterday and now we're at 2000+.

That's definitely not good.

[gp2015]

There's just way too many people not taking this seriously and they won't unless someone makes them, either with fear of an arrest or a large fine.

[djsunyc]

600+ new cases of Coronavirus in Canada since yesterday and now we're at 2000+.

That's definitely not good.

the # of cases are going to go up simply b/c more testing is being done. the # of cases isn't the worrying number. it's expected.

the # to pay attention to is the # of critical care cases.

this has been unchecked in this continent since jan - that's 2.5 months of free movement, socializing, travelling. my guess is that tens of millions of people have it but are unaware. if my hypothesis is correct, then the lethality of it is much lower than expected.

but none of this means anything b/c we are blind until everyone who has it (or had it - using antibody testing) is tested to get a more accurate %.

[Lord_Zedd]

600+ new cases of Coronavirus in Canada since yesterday and now we're at 2000+.

That's definitely not good.

There's a big spike in Quebec where they've changed the the way they add to the case count.

* : The significant increase in confirmed cases is explained by the fact that on March 22, 2020, cases tested positive by hospital laboratories are now considered confirmed. They no longer need validation by the Laboratoire de santé publique du Québec (LSPQ).

https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/situation-coronavirus-in-quebec/

Also read somewhere that Quebec is adding presumptive cases of CT/X Ray scans to the count.

If other provinces end up emulating Quebec's process, expect a big jump in cases as well.

[execoftheyear]

600+ new cases of Coronavirus in Canada since yesterday and now we're at 2000+.

That's definitely not good.

the # of cases are going to go up simply b/c more testing is being done. the # of cases isn't the worrying number. it's expected.

the # to pay attention to is the # of critical care cases.

this has been unchecked in this continent since jan - that's 2.5 months of free movement, socializing, travelling. my guess is that tens of millions of people have it but are unaware. if my hypothesis is correct, then the lethality of it is much lower than expected.

but none of this means anything b/c we are blind until everyone who has it (or had it - using antibody testing) is tested to get a more accurate %.

Watch on YouTube

Italy's numbers basically confirm China's numbers

[JYD]

There's just way too many people not taking this seriously and they won't unless someone makes them, either with fear of an arrest or a large fine.

It's just a product of a free society that has lived comfortably with no real threat in a lifetime.

Government should have known this from the beginning. Every government on the planet, but especially ones like Canada and US, in societies that are mostly used to having problems more along the lines of which cell phone to buy or restaurant to try.

They're supposed to be the smart, informed ones, who can foresee these issues. They should know you cannot 'suggest' or plead with the general public and come away with a result that is effective enough in this situation.

March 12, I said this:

Which brings me back to the point of governments needing to step in, both with measures and information. If they don't, too much of the population will not cooperate, and there will be too much disinformation resulting in lax behavior in terms of following protocols.

[gp2015]

600+ new cases of Coronavirus in Canada since yesterday and now we're at 2000+.

That's definitely not good.

There's a big spike in Quebec where they've changed the the way they add to the case count.

* : The significant increase in confirmed cases is explained by the fact that on March 22, 2020, cases tested positive by hospital laboratories are now considered confirmed. They no longer need validation by the Laboratoire de santé publique du Québec (LSPQ).

https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/situation-coronavirus-in-quebec/

Also read somewhere that Quebec is adding presumptive cases of CT/X Ray scans to the count.

If other provinces end up emulating Quebec's process, expect a big jump in cases as well.

Good point. I've just been reading about that. There was a big jump of cases in Waterloo as well (where I am) and the reporting method is changed too.

[gp2015]

There's just way too many people not taking this seriously and they won't unless someone makes them, either with fear of an arrest or a large fine.

It's just a product of a free society that has lived comfortably with no real threat in a lifetime.

Government should have known this from the beginning. Every government on the planet, but especially ones like Canada and US, in societies that are mostly used to having problems more along the lines of which cell phone to buy or restaurant to try.

They're supposed to be the smart, informed ones, who can foresee these issues. They should know you cannot 'suggest' or plead with the general public and come away with a result that is effective enough in this situation.

March 12, I said this:

Which brings me back to the point of governments needing to step in, both with measures and information. If they don't, too much of the population will not cooperate, and there will be too much disinformation resulting in lax behavior in terms of following protocols.

It's definitely a product of culture. People here are too used to doing whatever is best for themselves and not caring about others. You look at Japan and a major thing there is consideration for others. For instance, it's considered to be rude to not wear a mask when you're sick because you don't want to be infecting others. It's the same thing about keeping their surroundings clean. It's just respect and consideration for other people.

When you tell people in Japan to stay home and use masks when they're sick, it's just second nature. They don't want to put other people at risk and it's not something that's foreign to them. Obviously, there are still some people that don't listen but the majority do their part.

I think in North America, we need to gradually put more strict measures in place. If we do it all at once, people will get angry and say that their freedoms are being taken away or some other bs like that. Since it's obvious that people are not going to listen, we need to threaten people with fines and/or arrests if people still keep putting others at risk carelessly. Sometimes the government needs to step in and this is one of those times.

[Hero]

i cant think of one country, at least developed, 1st world that handled this properly.

Trudeau,Johnson, trump , macron, merkel all handled this pretty poorly. you cant just single out Trudeau on this

Korea

Taiwan and Singapore too. You might say Trudeau was too late to react, my position is better late than never and also take a look at the bright side, at least we're not being led by Trump.

Is that an apples to apples comparison? Singapore is city state. Taiwan and Korea are nowhere near the size of Canada either.

[gp2015]

Korea

Taiwan and Singapore too. You might say Trudeau was too late to react, my position is better late than never and also take a look at the bright side, at least we're not being led by Trump.

Is that an apples to apples comparison? Singapore is city state. Taiwan and Korea are nowhere near the size of Canada either.

That may be true, but some places like Japan and Hong Kong have a lot of people packed into not a lot of space. It is very difficult to keep viruses contained in places like those. There are challenges to both.

[CantStopTheRock]

There's just way too many people not taking this seriously and they won't unless someone makes them, either with fear of an arrest or a large fine.

It's just a product of a free society that has lived comfortably with no real threat in a lifetime.

Government should have known this from the beginning. Every government on the planet, but especially ones like Canada and US, in societies that are mostly used to having problems more along the lines of which cell phone to buy or restaurant to try.

They're supposed to be the smart, informed ones, who can foresee these issues. They should know you cannot 'suggest' or plead with the general public and come away with a result that is effective enough in this situation.

March 12, I said this:

Which brings me back to the point of governments needing to step in, both with measures and information. If they don't, too much of the population will not cooperate, and there will be too much disinformation resulting in lax behavior in terms of following protocols.

It's definitely a product of culture. People here are too used to doing whatever is best for themselves and not care about others. You look at Japan and a major thing there is consideration for others. For instance, it's considered to be rude to not wear a mask when you're sick because you don't want to be infecting others. It's the same thing about keeping their surroundings clean. It's just respect and consideration for other people.

When you tell people in Japan to stay home and use masks when they're sick, it's just second nature. They don't want to put other people at risk and it's not something that's foreign to them. Obviously, there are still some people that don't listen but the majority do their part.

I think in North America, we need to gradually put more strict measures in place. If we do it all at once, people will get angry and say that their freedoms are being taken away or some other bs like that. Since it's obvious that people are not going to listen, we need to threaten people with fines and/or arrests if people still keep putting others at risk carelessly.

Agree with both of you 100%.

Even with closing non-essential business down tomorrow in Ontario, that will not do much when most people that were already off are treating it like a vacation. I went to take my dogs for a walk near a park no one ever goes. What do I see, 30-40 people all close together shooting the **** with their kids all playing on the slides/swings together and a pick up ball game going on. Honestly, they need force the issue because most people will not take it seriously until it gets very bad.

[JYD]

It's definitely a product of culture. People here are too used to doing whatever is best for themselves and not care about others. You look at Japan and a major thing there is consideration for others. For instance, it's considered to be rude to not wear a mask when you're sick because you don't want to be infecting others. It's the same thing about keeping their surroundings clean. It's just respect and consideration for other people.

When you tell people in Japan to stay home and use masks when they're sick, it's just second nature. They don't want to put other people at risk and it's not something that's foreign to them. Obviously, there are still some people that don't listen but the majority do their part.

I think in North America, we need to gradually put more strict measures in place. If we do it all at once, people will get angry and say that their freedoms are being taken away or some other bs like that. Since it's obvious that people are not going to listen, we need to threaten people with fines and/or arrests if people still keep putting others at risk carelessly.

I agree 100% with everything you said, including the bolded.

But, it is on leadership to take the wheel, and prepare people more quickly for this. There are logistics issues, there are the 'freedom' issues that people will react to, no doubt. It is on the PM, or president, to get in front of their people and lay it all out, in terms of the roadmap that may be needed to solve this issue. It is the PM's duty to get it into people's heads, that this is not a drill. This is not something to be 'massaged in' gently. It's his duty to protect everyone above all else, and he should take whatever measures needed to get there ASAP, damn the popularity of them.

And if you're not on board with those measures, you will be fined and/or jailed for it. This 'may we kindly suggest' mentality needs to stop. No more please, no more relying on the population, like those businesses that stay open, to do the right thing.

This is literally the time a gov't like Canada, which has spent years establishing a constitution and trusted systems, needs to lean on the trust on those systems to save its own people. Use the power of the federal government. This is why it exists.

[gp2015]

It's definitely a product of culture. People here are too used to doing whatever is best for themselves and not care about others. You look at Japan and a major thing there is consideration for others. For instance, it's considered to be rude to not wear a mask when you're sick because you don't want to be infecting others. It's the same thing about keeping their surroundings clean. It's just respect and consideration for other people.

When you tell people in Japan to stay home and use masks when they're sick, it's just second nature. They don't want to put other people at risk and it's not something that's foreign to them. Obviously, there are still some people that don't listen but the majority do their part.

I think in North America, we need to gradually put more strict measures in place. If we do it all at once, people will get angry and say that their freedoms are being taken away or some other bs like that. Since it's obvious that people are not going to listen, we need to threaten people with fines and/or arrests if people still keep putting others at risk carelessly.

I agree 100% with everything you said, including the bolded.

But, it is on leadership to take the wheel, and prepare people more quickly for this. There are logistics issues, there are the 'freedom' issues that people will react to, no doubt. It is on the PM, or president, to get in front of their people and lay it all out, in terms of the roadmap that may be needed to solve this issue. It is the PM's duty to get it into people's heads, that this is not a drill. This is not something to be 'massaged in' gently. It's his duty to protect everyone above all else, and he should take whatever measures needed to get there ASAP, damn the popularity of them.

And if you're not on board with those measures, you will be fined and/or jailed for it. This 'may we kindly suggest' mentality needs to stop. No more please, no more relying on the population, like those businesses that stay open, to do the right thing.

This is literally the time a gov't like Canada, which has spent years establishing a constitution and trusted systems, needs to lean on the trust on those systems to save its own people. Use the power of the federal government. This is why it exists.

There definitely needs to be more urgency on this because things are getting worse. Basically, they've tried to tell people what they need to do and it's not working, so someone in charge needs to say that there needs to be stricter measures put in place to protect people's heath. Giving people their choice to do whatever they want didn't work.

[Raps in 4]

Korea

Taiwan and Singapore too. You might say Trudeau was too late to react, my position is better late than never and also take a look at the bright side, at least we're not being led by Trump.

Is that an apples to apples comparison? Singapore is city state. Taiwan and Korea are nowhere near the size of Canada either.

Korea has a bigger and more densely packed population than Canada.

[B-Ball Freak]

Korea

Taiwan and Singapore too. You might say Trudeau was too late to react, my position is better late than never and also take a look at the bright side, at least we're not being led by Trump.

Is that an apples to apples comparison? Singapore is city state. Taiwan and Korea are nowhere near the size of Canada either.

They are also alot closer to the epicenter of the outbreak and had limited time to react, they passed with flying colours.

[Fairview4Life]

Taiwan and Singapore too. You might say Trudeau was too late to react, my position is better late than never and also take a look at the bright side, at least we're not being led by Trump.

Is that an apples to apples comparison? Singapore is city state. Taiwan and Korea are nowhere near the size of Canada either.

They are also alot closer to the epicenter of the outbreak and had limited time to react, they passed with flying colours.

They also didn't shut down travel to China, oddly enough. Testing and isolation.