Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[DowJones]

The UK is shutting down as well. The Western countries in general have all been very slow in their reaction to the virus.

[Optimus_Steel]

CDC dropped the ball on the testing. The US should've gone with the WHO recommendation and the test kit developed by Germany.

Damnit.

https://apnews.com/c335958b1f8f6a37b19b421bc7759722

My guess, they wanted US companies to make a killing in profits. That seems to be the main preoccupation.

[DowJones]

CDC dropped the ball on the testing. The US should've gone with the WHO recommendation and the test kit developed by Germany.

Damnit.

https://apnews.com/c335958b1f8f6a37b19b421bc7759722

My guess, they wanted US companies to make a killing in profits. That seems to be the main preoccupation.

Shameful. A handful of you guys continue to make these absolutely hateful remarks about Americans with no pushback. I don't want people that view these posts from other countries to think that this is a common opinion in America because these ridiculous claims receive no pushback.

[Optimus_Steel]

CDC dropped the ball on the testing. The US should've gone with the WHO recommendation and the test kit developed by Germany.

Damnit.

https://apnews.com/c335958b1f8f6a37b19b421bc7759722

My guess, they wanted US companies to make a killing in profits. That seems to be the main preoccupation.

Shameful. A handful of you guys continue to make these absolutely hateful remarks about Americans with no pushback. I don't want people that view these posts from other countries to think that this is a common opinion in America because these ridiculous claims receive no pushback.

Instead of being offended about corporations essentially dictating US public policy perhaps you should demand that our government puts out citizens in the forefront, not the execs, not the board of directors, not the hedge fund managers, etc.

This is a classic example of what I call submissive civility. Its what the people in power want us to do, don't be angry, don't criticize us, be civil and submissive while we screw you over. I'm supposed to be civil while Washington makes decisions that are clearly not in favor of the public or when they refuse to give our citizens things they need? Specially when its sensible things that have been done for decades in other countries. Gotta snap out of that, otherwise you are essentially saying hey its ok for our government to not improve things for us, hey go ahead give away resources to the ones that need it the least, don't worry I'll be "civil" about it.

[DowJones]

My guess, they wanted US companies to make a killing in profits. That seems to be the main preoccupation.

Shameful. A handful of you guys continue to make these absolutely hateful remarks about Americans with no pushback. I don't want people that view these posts from other countries to think that this is a common opinion in America because these ridiculous claims receive no pushback.

Instead of being offended about corporations essentially dictating US public policy perhaps you should demand that our government puts out citizens in the forefront, not the execs, not the board of directors, not the hedge fund managers, etc.

This is a classic example of what I call submissive civility. Its what the people in power want us to do, don't be angry, don't criticize us, be civil and submissive while we screw you over. I'm supposed to be civil while Washington makes decisions that are clearly not in favor of the public or when they refuse to give our citizens things they need? Specially when its sensible things that have been done for decades in other countries. Gotta snap out of that, otherwise you are essentially saying hey its ok for our government to not improve things us, hey go ahead give away resources to the ones that need it the least, don't worry I'll be "civil" about it.

The CDC had their own standards established for testing, and we can debate whether or not those standards need to be changed, however to claim it is because of company profits is shameful. The rest of what you said has no relation to the CDC or the virus so I will not discuss that here.

[Crizzle]

CDC dropped the ball on the testing. The US should've gone with the WHO recommendation and the test kit developed by Germany.

Damnit.

https://apnews.com/c335958b1f8f6a37b19b421bc7759722

My guess, they wanted US companies to make a killing in profits. That seems to be the main preoccupation.

Shameful. A handful of you guys continue to make these absolutely hateful remarks about Americans with no pushback. I don't want people that view these posts from other countries to think that this is a common opinion in America because these ridiculous claims receive no pushback.

I think we are just calling a spade a spade. There is no fun in self deprecation.

[Dirk]

Spain, updated

#deaths/day


#cases/day


Deaths adjusted for population


Raw number of deaths by region / SPAIN ITALY CHINA


Deaths lag infections by several weeks
Not all countries record/attribute the cause of deaths the same way
Testing varies

[Durant Durant]

existing antiviral drugs testing starts today in NY amirite?

i think hydrochloroquinine (sic) has potential when administered by a medical professional to patients in the early stages of infection. Trump and Elon Musk i think are endorsing it.

[LKN]

The implications of the worst economic recession the world has ever seen likely trumps anything this virus is capable of doing. I can understand the concern on both sides, but you cant continue to shut down an economy like America has.

Seems like the rest of the world can. What makes the wall street or americas economy so special? America isn´t even close to the shut down levels of europe. France or Germany know about the economic problems but they value life over money.
The difference is that they have social care systems to protect their citiziens. But I guess it is all communism.

The rest of the world can't either, at least not in the mid-long term. The US is the worlds largest economy they would obviously feel the effects of a prolonged shut down the most. In essence, they have the most to lose.

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[whonka]

existing antiviral drugs testing starts today in NY amirite?

i think hydrochloroquinine (sic) has potential when administered by a medical professional to patients in the early stages of infection. Trump and Elon Musk i think are endorsing it.

Hydroxychloroquine with azithro is already being used pretty frequently in hospitals.

[First Step]

Trump can't just say "get back to work" in 2 weeks, and everything will go back to normal.

I was starting to hear from my clients over a month ago how their company had suspended travel. There is a significant risk to their organization to have Covid-19 spread throughout the workforce. SXSW was canceled mainly because major organizations started pulling out, not because the Federal Government was putting out guidelines.

So no, even if Trump says get back to work, things will hardly go back to how they were. I can see desperate small businesses that have the choice of going out of business, or endangering the lives of their employees and customers is going to have a tough decision to make.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

existing antiviral drugs testing starts today in NY amirite?

i think hydrochloroquinine (sic) has potential when administered by a medical professional to patients in the early stages of infection. Trump and Elon Musk i think are endorsing it.

those are the first two guys i turn to whenever i need medical advice

[Durant Durant]

existing antiviral drugs testing starts today in NY amirite?

i think hydrochloroquinine (sic) has potential when administered by a medical professional to patients in the early stages of infection. Trump and Elon Musk i think are endorsing it.

those are the first two guys i turn to whenever i need medical advice

lol. i know right? thing is that drug cured Musk of his malaria years ago. and Trump at least got medical briefing before he mouthed off.

[Cowbulls]

What happened to all the posts about how we are overreacting and there is no reason to be angry at them for such mindless babbling?
I have been on house arrest self imposed with family never leaving the yard for almost a month.
It sucks but my rational at the onset was the amount of bs coming out of ground zero and their attempts to silence whistleblower doctors who eventually gave their lives trying to stop it.
I don't for 1 minute think this has any chance of containment at this juncture and is here to stay.
I'm sticking with 50 million dead minimum before it's over.

Found one.

[LKN]

Trump can't just say "get back to work" in 2 weeks, and everything will go back to normal.

I was starting to hear from my clients over a month ago how their company had suspended travel. There is a significant risk to their organization to have Covid-19 spread throughout the workforce. SXSW was canceled mainly because major organizations started pulling out, not because the Federal Government was putting out guidelines.

So no, even if Trump says get back to work, things will hardly go back to how they were. I can see desperate small businesses that have the choice of going out of business, or endangering the lives of their employees and customers is going to have a tough decision to make.

This is a good point. I work from home on the east coast, but my company is based in Seattle. They went full WFH prior to any government recommendations because our HQ is where our developers (very high value employees as we are a software company) are based.

[Slacktard]

Seems like the rest of the world can. What makes the wall street or americas economy so special? America isn´t even close to the shut down levels of europe. France or Germany know about the economic problems but they value life over money.
The difference is that they have social care systems to protect their citiziens. But I guess it is all communism.

The rest of the world can't either, at least not in the mid-long term. The US is the worlds largest economy they would obviously feel the effects of a prolonged shut down the most. In essence, they have the most to lose.

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Need to listen to experts on viral epidemics and not some CEO of an airline or hotel chain. The economic crisis is not the disease, it is a symptom of the viral epidemic and not treating the virus because of worry about a symptom(economy) will just make the disease WORSE and ultimately worsen the economy anyway.

[First Step]

Trump can't just say "get back to work" in 2 weeks, and everything will go back to normal.

I was starting to hear from my clients over a month ago how their company had suspended travel. There is a significant risk to their organization to have Covid-19 spread throughout the workforce. SXSW was canceled mainly because major organizations started pulling out, not because the Federal Government was putting out guidelines.

So no, even if Trump says get back to work, things will hardly go back to how they were. I can see desperate small businesses that have the choice of going out of business, or endangering the lives of their employees and customers is going to have a tough decision to make.

This is a good point. I work from home on the east coast, but my company is based in Seattle. They went full WFH prior to any government recommendations because our HQ is where our developers (very high value employees as we are a software company) are based.

I think you ease people back into society. For example, you re-open restaurants but regulate the occupancy. No tables of more than 4 people, only 50% maximum occupancy. At the end of the day, the landlord still wants his/her check on the 1st.

Most software companies should be able to operate remotely. With slack and other collaboration tools, there really isn't a reason you can't conduct business remotely. It's the service industry that is going to have issues operating.

[spacemonkey]

You just hate to see it

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[LKN]

You just hate to see it

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I'm not sure why anyone should feel super bad for someone who chose to run a business in a highly leveraged/risky fashion.

I don't feel bad for people who do a ton of stock trading on margin right now either. I don't do that because I don't want to accept the risk.

If you choose to behave in a high risk manner you get to accept the consequences.

[sfernald]

You just hate to see it

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Maybe he could use these airbrbs that he can’t rent as storage for the guy hording all the hand sanitizers that he can’t sell anymore.