2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players (still need CLE/HOU/LAL/MIL)

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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players 

Post#101 » by babyjax13 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 12:32 am

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nate33 wrote:Expansion teams typically work with a limited portion of the cap, maybe 60-75%. No team with just 70-something million in cap room is going to draft John Wall at $43M a year for the next 3 years. There is zero chance they take on Wall. Zero. There is no need to protect him.


Part of why I think very good but overpaid players might be put on the unprotected list, not because teams don't want them, but it would kill the expansion teams cap for a non-star player and allows the team to potentially protect a role player on a good contract that they might not otherwise be able to do.


Plus, you have to take into account the length of the contract. Why protect a Drummond who has a P.O. and is then a UFA, when you have a guy like
Exum locked up longer?


Having Exum locked up longer does not seem like a good thing.
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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players (still need CLE/HOU/LAL/MIL) 

Post#102 » by Resistance » Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:17 am

114. How does it work when the league expands? Can the league also contract?

To supply an expansion team with its initial complement of players, the league holds an expansion draft1 prior to that year's NBA draft. Existing teams are allowed to protect up to eight players (including restricted free agents) from being selected in the expansion draft, but every team must expose at least one player who can't possibly become a free agent as the result of the exercise or non-exercise of an option or ETO. Unrestricted free agents can neither be protected from nor selected in the expansion draft, and are essentially ignored. Restricted free agents (see question number 42) may be selected, but become unrestricted free agents upon selection (with the caveat that they cannot then re-sign with the team from which they came). No team may lose more than one player in an expansion draft.

Some players may become unrestricted free agents due to the invocation or non-invocation of an option or ETO (see question number 57). The league uses their status on the day of the expansion draft -- i.e., if a player has invoked his option or ETO by the day of the expansion draft, then he is treated as a free agent. If a player has not invoked an option or ETO by the day of the expansion draft, then he is treated as being under contract (so it is possible for an expansion team to select a player in the expansion draft who then invokes his option, becomes an unrestricted free agent, and signs elsewhere).



Andre Drummond........$28,751,775 - Player Option
Dante Exum................$9,600,000


Negotiations between some combination of Drummond, ET (Expansion Team) and a third team interested in Drummond in June would not be what the league wants teams to be doing. Since ET is unlikely to be a contender in its first season, taking Drummond in the expansion draft might not be the best course of action because he could opt out and become a free agent leaving ET with absolutely nothing. If Drummond decides to stay with his contract and ET is unable to move him, then ET will have an overpaid center while working with a lower salary cap.

Probably the best course of action for ET is to be prudent and not draft players with a large salary unless it can be classified as a really good move. ET will probably be looking for additional assets in its first few seasons and flipping Exum at $9.6 million for an unwanted contract plus incentive should be much much easier than flipping Drummond at $28.75 million for an unwanted contract plus incentive.
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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players (still need CLE/HOU/LAL/MIL) 

Post#103 » by Laimbeer » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:14 am

Pistons protect:

Sekou
Kennard
Brown
Svi
Rose
Thomas

Unprotected
Snell
Blake


Knight, Henson, Maker, Galloway, Wood & McRae are free agents
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Post#104 » by Prospect Dong » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:25 am

Put me down as another vote for protecting JV over Dieng for the Griz. Unless the cap slumps radically, JV is worth his deal to us and the extra year is a feature, not a bug. We should consider attaching a 2nd to shift Dieng - he's a great backup C, but he's our third stringer and he's paid like a decent starter. We were paid to take him, and should be willing to pay something to get rid of him. I feel like he'd put up great numbers for the Seattle Post-apocalypses
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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players (still need CLE/HOU/LAL/MIL) 

Post#105 » by K_chile22 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:53 am

For the Rockets I would protect:
Harden
Westbrook
Covington
Tucker
House
McLemore
Eric Gordon
Isaiah Hartenstein

Unprotected:

Clemons

FA:
Rivers (assuming he opts out)
Chandler
Green
Thabo
Carroll
Cabocolo


Not very exciting, for sure
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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players 

Post#106 » by getrichordie » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:55 am

getrichordie wrote:Question. Since the rules don't clarify, I can attach assets (draft picks, cash [max $3M]) to unprotected players as incentives for other teams to pick up, correct? In rules, it only discusses attaching assets to unprotected players you may want to protect.

Oklahoma City Thunder

-- Protected:

Dennis Schroder
Shai-Gilgeous Alexander
Darius Bazley
Terrance Ferguson
Hamidou Diallo
Isaiah Roby
Abdel Nader
Mike Muscala (if he opts in)

-- Unprotected:

Steven Adams
Chris Paul
Deonte Burton

-- Unrestricted Free Agent(s):

Andre Roberson
Danilo Gallinari
Nerlens Noel


Wanted to edit my protections. I'm going to leave Steven Adams unprotected.
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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players (still need CLE/HOU/LAL/MIL) 

Post#107 » by getrichordie » Tue Mar 24, 2020 2:56 am

K_chile22 wrote:For the Rockets I would protect:
Harden
Westbrook
Covington
Tucker
House
McLemore
Eric Gordon
Isaiah Hartenstein

Unprotected:

Clemons

FA:
Rivers (assuming he opts out)
Chandler
Green
Thabo
Carroll
Cabocolo


Not very exciting, for sure


You want to keep Gordon's contract on the books?
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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players (still need CLE/HOU/LAL/MIL) 

Post#108 » by babyjax13 » Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:37 pm

It's my boyfriend's birthday today, so I am actually going to do the tally tomorrow! : )
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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players (still need CLE/HOU/LAL/MIL) 

Post#109 » by RCM88x » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:42 pm

Cavaliers would protect:
Love
Nance
Sexton
Garland
Porter
Windler
Osman

Unprotected:
Mckinnie
Exum

FA/Player Option:
Drummond
Thompson
Dellavedova
Zizic
Wade

Not really a lot of options here for us, basically either Exum or Mckinnie in my eyes for the last spot.

Let me know if I made a mistake or didn't do this correctly.

EDIT: Corrected (Osman to protect, Mckinnie to unprotected)
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Post#110 » by Godaddycurse » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:52 pm

RCM88x wrote:Cavaliers would protect:
Love
Nance
Sexton
Garland
Porter
Windler
Mckinnie

Unprotected:
Exum

FA/Player Option:
Drummond
Thompson
Dellavedova
Osman
Zizic
Wade

Not really a lot of options here for us, basically either Exum or Mckinnie in my eyes for the last spot.

Let me know if I made a mistake or didn't do this correctly.


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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players (still need CLE/HOU/LAL/MIL) 

Post#111 » by RCM88x » Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:58 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
RCM88x wrote:Cavaliers would protect:
Love
Nance
Sexton
Garland
Porter
Windler
Mckinnie

Unprotected:
Exum

FA/Player Option:
Drummond
Thompson
Dellavedova
Osman
Zizic
Wade

Not really a lot of options here for us, basically either Exum or Mckinnie in my eyes for the last spot.

Let me know if I made a mistake or didn't do this correctly.


osman is extended


Oh right, forgot about that (cringe), guess that means we'd probably protect him even though Mckinnie is better imo.
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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players 

Post#112 » by snowman » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:27 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:I didn't see rules for how to deal with player or team options, so I'm making that part up as I go along.

Also, I'm exposing Gordon Hayward only if I'm confident the drafting team won't actually take him. Otherwise, I protect him and expose Grant Williams.

If I do that, I offer an incentive to take Poirier over Williams.

Celtics keepers

Jayson Tatum
Jaylen Brown
Marcus Smart
Kemba Walker
Daniel Theis
Robert Williams
Grant Williams
Romeo Langford

Celtics exposed

Gordon Hayward (if he exercises his player option)
Enes Kanter (if he exercises his player option)
Vincent Poirier
Semi Ojeleye
Carsen Edwards
Javonte Green (but I don't think his salary is guaranteed)

Celtics FA


Brad Wanamaker


I would say that this is the exact way I would save them too.
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Post#113 » by babyjax13 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:59 am

Working on tallying now, new thread in probably an hour : )
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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players (still need CLE/HOU/LAL/MIL) 

Post#114 » by babyjax13 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:30 am

Just finished tallying, thread will be up in a few minutes. Reviewing the NBA's rules for player options and ETOs during expansion drafts.
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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players (still need CLE/HOU/LAL/MIL) 

Post#115 » by K_chile22 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:19 pm

getrichordie wrote:
K_chile22 wrote:For the Rockets I would protect:
Harden
Westbrook
Covington
Tucker
House
McLemore
Eric Gordon
Isaiah Hartenstein

Unprotected:

Clemons

FA:
Rivers (assuming he opts out)
Chandler
Green
Thabo
Carroll
Cabocolo


Not very exciting, for sure


You want to keep Gordon's contract on the books?

Pretty sure the Rockets believe he'll round into form more than I do. He's been really struggling with knee issues this year
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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players (still need CLE/HOU/LAL/MIL) 

Post#116 » by buckboy » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:20 pm

Protected:

Giannis
Middleton
Bledsoe
B. Lopez
DiVincenzo
Hill
Thanasis
Ilyasova

Draft Eligible:
DJ Wilson
Sterling Brown (RFA)

UFA/Ineligible:
Matthews
R.Lopez
Connaughton
Korver
M. Williams
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Re: 2020 NBA Expansion Draft: Protect your players (still need ATL/BYK/CLE/HOU/LAL/MIL) 

Post#117 » by buckboy » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:08 pm

getrichordie wrote:
luka27 wrote:I think Milwaukee is pretty easy:
1. Giannis
2. Middleton
3. Lopez
4. Hill
5. DiVincenzo
6. Bledsoe
7. Thanasis
8. Ilyasova

Everybody else is expiring or having a player option, except Wilson, who is not really showing any progress. Not sure where Brown falls as a RFA.


I think I'd put in Wilson over Thanasis. Giannis' younger brother won't be picked up, so I'd rather protect my 1st round pick in Wilson who, in my opinion has objectively more upside than Thanasis.


Nope. I'd be praying they took Wilson to give us $4M more away from the tax.
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