Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ)

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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ) 

Post#661 » by Optimus_Steel » Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:55 pm

madmaxmedia wrote:I think this is a pretty spot-on analysis of the idea of the country ‘opening for business’ and ‘packing churches’ on Easter:

https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-markets-6bc1e3bb-2332-4bad-a526-0e00ca710956.html

TLDR; Basically the worst of all worlds. Virus spreads even more, people are still afraid to travel or do anything, out of fear for health and doubt in capacity of our health care system, so it doesn’t even help the economy that much.


I've already seen several people repeat Trump's line about "We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself". My God this behavior is incredibly stupid and irresponsible, not only that it will prolong by a lot the recovery they want in the first place. Its like sheep being lead to the slaughter.
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Post#662 » by jason bourne » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:01 pm

Durant Durant wrote:existing antiviral drugs testing starts today in NY amirite?


My guess is to check your local papers for free testing. We just started testing in Sacramento. I signed up thru Google's Verily and didn't qualify. I didn't think I would, but wanted to go through the process. Afterward, I found out Google is my default browser. Anyway, if you have it, then you won't qualify. They are looking for others who may have symptoms but don't think they have it, medical people, health professions, older people with underlying conditions, etc.
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Post#665 » by LKN » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:08 pm

Yikes, yikes, yikes!

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Post#666 » by NY 567 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:14 pm

Part of me thinks this is widespread and that way, way more people have that than reported. So trying to contain this thing at this point is utterly pointless. The one possible good thing about that is if that were true, that means the death rate is lower than what is currently being estimated. It's harsh to say this, but if this thing is already out there, then I don't see the point of containment and lockdown any further. A recession or a depression would make this pandemic much worse.
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Post#667 » by Optimus_Steel » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:15 pm

LKN wrote:Yikes, yikes, yikes!

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Nahh just a flu, and we cannot let the cure be worst than the problem....until the problem hits home.
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Post#668 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:15 pm

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madmaxmedia wrote:I think this is a pretty spot-on analysis of the idea of the country ‘opening for business’ and ‘packing churches’ on Easter:

https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-markets-6bc1e3bb-2332-4bad-a526-0e00ca710956.html

TLDR; Basically the worst of all worlds. Virus spreads even more, people are still afraid to travel or do anything, out of fear for health and doubt in capacity of our health care system, so it doesn’t even help the economy that much.


My (not so bold) prediction - it would make the economy even worse.


It would basically be a re-set, and a month of all the social distancing/shelter in place orders down the drain. Start the process again...though of course then there might be more resistance to do it because the economy will really look bad.
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Post#669 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:16 pm

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madmaxmedia wrote:I think this is a pretty spot-on analysis of the idea of the country ‘opening for business’ and ‘packing churches’ on Easter:

https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-markets-6bc1e3bb-2332-4bad-a526-0e00ca710956.html

TLDR; Basically the worst of all worlds. Virus spreads even more, people are still afraid to travel or do anything, out of fear for health and doubt in capacity of our health care system, so it doesn’t even help the economy that much.


I've already seen several people repeat Trump's line about "We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself". My God this behavior is incredibly stupid and irresponsible, not only that it will prolong by a lot the recovery they want in the first place. Its like sheep being lead to the slaughter.


It would have been a good line if he was talking about the chloroquine fish tank cleaner used.
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Post#670 » by madmaxmedia » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:23 pm

NY 567 wrote:Part of me thinks this is widespread and that way, way more people have that than reported. So trying to contain this thing at this point is utterly pointless. The one possible good thing about that is if that were true, that means the death rate is lower than what is currently being estimated. It's harsh to say this, but if this thing is already out there, then I don't see the point of containment and lockdown any further. A recession or a depression would make this pandemic much worse.


I understand your point. But if you look at specific regions and countries, such general statements are much harder to make. The first mass hit region was the Hubei province, then Italy, then Spain, and now New York. The mortality rate in Hubei, Italy, and Spain are much higher than average because hospitals are overwhelmed and people are suffocating and dying in cots and on hospital floors.

If the virus was actually evenly widespread around this country, or Europe, or the world, why would there only be hot spots in those regions? I don't believe it's logical to suspect that the same thing won't happen elsewhere in this country, especially urban/metropolitan centers like NYC. If it happens in all our major cities, that will simultaneously make everything worse.

We're not trying to prevent .1% of the population dying, we're trying to prevent 1%, 3%, 5% because that's what seems to be the mortality rate when you don't flatten the curve. I don't know the answers or the future either, but those that are talking 'economy over health' don't seem to really be taking everything we've seen into account (not criticizing your post, I'm talking about some of the much less level-headed things I've seen on TV and in the news the last day or 2.)

There is the scenario that you've raised that could be true right now- that the virus is now totally widespread and what is happening in Italy is already 100% ordained at this point in every town and state in our country. If so then God help us...I'm not sure what the best case scenario is then. I guess in that case, yes if it's inevitable then we should all go to work while also making peace with the fact that no one's life will go untouched in major ways. I think we all have parents, close family, friends, work associates, neighbors, etc. that are older, have asthma, are recovering cancer patients, or have other risk factors (obesity, diabetes, etc.) Regardless of the overall mortality rate (I can't fathom to guess), a significant percentage of all those people I mentioned will suffocate and die in hospitals.
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Post#671 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:24 pm

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Post#672 » by whatisacenter » Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:51 pm

at this point you better hope you live in a state where the governor is taking this seriously as we are being led by a rudderless ship federally.
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Post#673 » by bwgood77 » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:04 pm

whatisacenter wrote:at this point you better hope you live in a state where the governor is taking this seriously as we are being led by a rudderless ship federally.


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Post#674 » by Hornet Mania » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:06 pm

whatisacenter wrote:at this point you better hope you live in a state where the governor is taking this seriously as we are being led by a rudderless ship federally.


I'm not even sure that will help much, unfortunately. If California hypothetically handles the crisis well but Arizona goes full 'live free or die, seriously, we mean it' what's to stop asymptomatic residents of AZ who care carriers of the virus from crossing over to CA to find safety? (To be clear, I'm not saying AZ is handling it poorly, just a quick border state to name for this example)

Coordination is important and the restrictions have to be consistent across the board. If some states are inconvenienced because they aren't hard-hit yet have to deal with NY-level restrictions then they should consider themselves fortunate for being bored rather than watching neighbors and relatives fight for their lives.
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Post#675 » by Dirk » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:06 pm

Italy, updated

• Active cases: 57.521 (+3.491)
• Deaths: 7.503 (+683)
• Recovered: 9.362 (+1.036)
• Intensive care: 3.489 (+93)

Total cases: 74.386 (+5.210, +7,5%)

Yesterday's update:
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Subject: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ)

Dirk wrote:Italy update

• Active cases: 54.030 (+3.612)
• Deaths: 6.820 (+743)
• Healed: 8.326 (+894)
• Intensive care: 3.396 (+192)

Total cases: 69.176 (+5.249, +8,2%)
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Post#676 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:12 pm

I wouldn't mind closing the entire country down for 2 weeks or a month where nobody left their houses. Just give us 3 days to stock up on food. I am tired of working period anyways as I am busy as ever working out of town for months at a time. I wanna go home!
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Post#677 » by Slacktard » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:14 pm

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whatisacenter wrote:at this point you better hope you live in a state where the governor is taking this seriously as we are being led by a rudderless ship federally.


I'm not even sure that will help much, unfortunately. If California hypothetically handles the crisis well but Arizona goes full 'live free or die, seriously, we mean it' what's to stop asymptomatic residents of AZ who care carriers of the virus from crossing over to CA to find safety? (To be clear, I'm not saying AZ is handling it poorly, just a quick border state to name for this example)

Coordination is important and the restrictions have to be consistent across the board. If some states are inconvenienced because they aren't hard-hit yet have to deal with NY-level restrictions then they should consider themselves fortunate for being bored rather than watching neighbors and relatives fight for their lives.


Closing the California border... Obviously enforcement would be extremely hard, but the Supreme Court has ruled states and towns are legally allowed to do that.

“But that freedom does not mean that areas ravaged by flood, fire or pestilence cannot be quarantined when it can be demonstrated that unlimited travel to the area would directly and materially interfere with the safety and welfare of the area or the Nation as a whole.” Chief Justice Earl Warren in the Supreme Court’s 1965 decision in Zemel v. Rusk
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Post#678 » by Hornet Mania » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:20 pm

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whatisacenter wrote:at this point you better hope you live in a state where the governor is taking this seriously as we are being led by a rudderless ship federally.


I'm not even sure that will help much, unfortunately. If California hypothetically handles the crisis well but Arizona goes full 'live free or die, seriously, we mean it' what's to stop asymptomatic residents of AZ who care carriers of the virus from crossing over to CA to find safety? (To be clear, I'm not saying AZ is handling it poorly, just a quick border state to name for this example)

Coordination is important and the restrictions have to be consistent across the board. If some states are inconvenienced because they aren't hard-hit yet have to deal with NY-level restrictions then they should consider themselves fortunate for being bored rather than watching neighbors and relatives fight for their lives.


Closing the California border... Obviously enforcement would be extremely hard, but the Supreme Court has ruled states and towns are legally allowed to do that.

“But that freedom does not mean that areas ravaged by flood, fire or pestilence cannot be quarantined when it can be demonstrated that unlimited travel to the area would directly and materially interfere with the safety and welfare of the area or the Nation as a whole.” Chief Justice Earl Warren in the Supreme Court’s 1965 decision in Zemel v. Rusk


It may be the only way eventually, I can't imagine Americans will react well to that sort of restriction but better to piss off your neighbors than kill 1-5% of your citizens.
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Post#679 » by First Step » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:21 pm

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Post#680 » by LKN » Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:22 pm

Dirk wrote:Italy, updated

• Active cases: 57.521 (+3.491)
• Deaths: 7.503 (+683)
• Recovered: 9.362 (+1.036)
• Intensive care: 3.489 (+93)

Total cases: 74.386 (+5.210, +7,5%)

Yesterday's update:
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Subject: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ)

Dirk wrote:Italy update

• Active cases: 54.030 (+3.612)
• Deaths: 6.820 (+743)
• Healed: 8.326 (+894)
• Intensive care: 3.396 (+192)

Total cases: 69.176 (+5.249, +8,2%)


So after a "bad" day this is semi-encouraging. If they can keep this up they should be able to get their hospitals back under control at some point.

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