Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[Richfield]

I think part of it, and I don't have a link, is that some states were getting either more than they requested or more than they were using. Meanwhile people dying in NY because their aren't enough.

Distribution has definitely a big problem. Numbers wise Cuomo has a case why his state should be prioritized. And I wouldn't doubt he thinks he can distribute to the other states better too.

Maybe it would help to not think of this problem with state lines in mind. People are dying at a higher pace in one area. He thinks that area should be prioritized. And it happens to be in his state. He's trying to save lives at a higher rate than what is the current rate.

Anyways if I watch any of that news conference again later or if I find a link, I'll try to clarify what I was hearing about the numbers to different states being off somehow. Maybe that will put some better context to the tweet.

[OkcSinceSGA]

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[Optimus_Steel]

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There isn't enough in our reserves to cover what he is asking for. It is very selfish for him to make this ask publicly. New Orleans is screaming for more. I know in Ohio they are looking to see what additional help they can get. New York isn't entitled to everything this country has. There are 49 other states.

If we only had a federal government that had the capability and responsibility to coordinate the distribution of medical supplies to the states....

This is a supply issue, not a coordination issue. Simply put, we do not have the supply to meet the demand. I am thankful for the many companies that have stepped up, but it will take time for them to produce.

This isn't a Democrat or Republican specific problem. This country was caught with its pants down when it comes to resources. I hope we learn from this and make sure our reserves are stocked.

Can you imagine if the federal had something like a Defense Production Act or something along those lines that would mobile industry to produce supplies needed for national defense...

[zimpy27]

It doesn't really make sense to withhold many ventilators that could save lives now and continue saving lives for a future life that needs saving.

Does it look better if by holding back you save 1,000 people in another state two or three weeks from now when they could have been used to save possibly twice as much in a hospital needing them today?

You should save as many lives as possible as early as possible for herd immunity. Every person that gets this and lives is helping us all.

[Ainosterhaspie]

I think part of it, and I don't have a link, is that some states were getting either more than they requested or more than they were using. Meanwhile people dying in NY because their aren't enough.

Distribution has definitely a big problem. Numbers wise Cuomo has a case why his state should be prioritized. And I wouldn't doubt he thinks he can distribute to the other states better too.

Maybe it would help to not think of this problem with state lines in mind. People are dying at a higher pace in one area. He thinks that area should be prioritized. And it happens to be in his state. He's trying to save lives at a higher rate than what is the current rate.

Anyways if I watch any of that news conference again later or if I find a link, I'll try to clarify what I was hearing about the numbers to different states being off somehow. Maybe that will put some better context to the tweet.

Are you talking about ventilators? I don't remember seeing that they were already short if needed ventilators. I thought they are projecting to not have enough in the coming days but hadn't reached that point yet.

Could you please clarify what shortage you are talking about and provide a link?

[NoDopeOnSundays]

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There isn't enough in our reserves to cover what he is asking for. It is very selfish for him to make this ask publicly. New Orleans is screaming for more. I know in Ohio they are looking to see what additional help they can get. New York isn't entitled to everything this country has. There are 49 other states.

If we only had a federal government that had the capability and responsibility to coordinate the distribution of medical supplies to the states....

This is a supply issue, not a coordination issue. Simply put, we do not have the supply to meet the demand. I am thankful for the many companies that have stepped up, but it will take time for them to produce.

This isn't a Democrat or Republican specific problem. This country was caught with its pants down when it comes to resources. I hope we learn from this and make sure our reserves are stocked.

Caught with our pants down? S. Korea and the US had their first case of the virus of the same day. This is a case of the federal government downplaying this for 2 months and not acting and still dragging their feet till this day. Don't rewrite history when it hasn't even been 6 months.

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[BadMofoPimp]

[Ainosterhaspie]

If we only had a federal government that had the capability and responsibility to coordinate the distribution of medical supplies to the states....

This is a supply issue, not a coordination issue. Simply put, we do not have the supply to meet the demand. I am thankful for the many companies that have stepped up, but it will take time for them to produce.

This isn't a Democrat or Republican specific problem. This country was caught with its pants down when it comes to resources. I hope we learn from this and make sure our reserves are stocked.

Caught with our pants down? S. Korea and the US had their first case of the virus of the same day. This is a case of the federal government downplaying this for 2 months and not acting and still dragging their feet till this day. Don't rewrite history when it hasn't even been 6 months.

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Every western nation is having the same problem. Meanwhile all the eastern nations are doing well. The issue is more cultural than political. Hopefully the culture in the West changes as a result of this.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

This is a supply issue, not a coordination issue. Simply put, we do not have the supply to meet the demand. I am thankful for the many companies that have stepped up, but it will take time for them to produce.

This isn't a Democrat or Republican specific problem. This country was caught with its pants down when it comes to resources. I hope we learn from this and make sure our reserves are stocked.

Caught with our pants down? S. Korea and the US had their first case of the virus of the same day. This is a case of the federal government downplaying this for 2 months and not acting and still dragging their feet till this day. Don't rewrite history when it hasn't even been 6 months.

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Every western nation is having the same problem. Meanwhile all the eastern nations are doing well. The issue is more cultural than political. Hopefully the culture in the West changes as a result of this.

They wear masks in Asia, Americans won't unless they're fashionable.

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[DowJones]

If we only had a federal government that had the capability and responsibility to coordinate the distribution of medical supplies to the states....

This is a supply issue, not a coordination issue. Simply put, we do not have the supply to meet the demand. I am thankful for the many companies that have stepped up, but it will take time for them to produce.

This isn't a Democrat or Republican specific problem. This country was caught with its pants down when it comes to resources. I hope we learn from this and make sure our reserves are stocked.

Can you imagine if the federal had something like a Defense Production Act or something along those lines that would mobile industry to produce supplies needed for national defense...

But that is a semantics issue when the companies are in the act of producing these things now. I also think that misses the point--we should have these items in stock and on reserve right now. Multiple administrations failed us on that. I hope that changes moving forward and we invest more money into preparing for an event like this.

[old skool]

I understand Cuomo has a job to do, but it is EXTREMELY selfish for him to ask for EVERYTHING from the Federal Government with a vague promise that they will send the resources to other states when their problem is over. You can't give all of the Federal inventory to 1 state.

Cuomo is not the issue. Nor are states the issue.

In this emergency, the federal government should develop a plan to employ stockpiled equipment and supplies to save the greatest number of lives and minimize human suffering to the greatest extent possible.

It seems silly to me to focus on Coumo's requests, which have not cost a single life, when the federal government's perplexing reluctance/inability to take action is likely putting a large number of lives in jeopardy.

There will be no justification for a lack of action if that inaction results in deaths that could have been avoided if stockpiled items had been used efficiently.

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[zimpy27]

This is a supply issue, not a coordination issue. Simply put, we do not have the supply to meet the demand. I am thankful for the many companies that have stepped up, but it will take time for them to produce.

This isn't a Democrat or Republican specific problem. This country was caught with its pants down when it comes to resources. I hope we learn from this and make sure our reserves are stocked.

Caught with our pants down? S. Korea and the US had their first case of the virus of the same day. This is a case of the federal government downplaying this for 2 months and not acting and still dragging their feet till this day. Don't rewrite history when it hasn't even been 6 months.

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Every western nation is having the same problem. Meanwhile all the eastern nations are doing well. The issue is more cultural than political. Hopefully the culture in the West changes as a result of this.

This is true. It's not a leadership issue alone, it's much more a cultural/historical issue. We haven't been affected by a situation like this like Asia have, they've effectively vaccinated themselves for issues like this by preparing in the past for them. They've developed a culture that respects the actions required to defend against outbreaks of viruses and disease.

The one glaring error was made by the CDC, whoever decided to make their own test rather than the proven effective test developed in Germany. That's been rectified now.

From now, the actions the US take as a government is going to be more of a reflection of them for people to whine about IMO. The initial reaction was fine, it was well staged and timely enough. Only NY and NJ look like they were delayed in response.

[DowJones]

This is a supply issue, not a coordination issue. Simply put, we do not have the supply to meet the demand. I am thankful for the many companies that have stepped up, but it will take time for them to produce.

This isn't a Democrat or Republican specific problem. This country was caught with its pants down when it comes to resources. I hope we learn from this and make sure our reserves are stocked.

Caught with our pants down? S. Korea and the US had their first case of the virus of the same day. This is a case of the federal government downplaying this for 2 months and not acting and still dragging their feet till this day. Don't rewrite history when it hasn't even been 6 months.

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Every western nation is having the same problem. Meanwhile all the eastern nations are doing well. The issue is more cultural than political. Hopefully the culture in the West changes as a result of this.

The virus also originated in the East so they took it more seriously. I think this shows us how fast a virus can actually spread. If you get a story of it in Wuhan, we have to assume it is already in our country. I think that will be the mindset moving forward.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Caught with our pants down? S. Korea and the US had their first case of the virus of the same day. This is a case of the federal government downplaying this for 2 months and not acting and still dragging their feet till this day. Don't rewrite history when it hasn't even been 6 months.

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Every western nation is having the same problem. Meanwhile all the eastern nations are doing well. The issue is more cultural than political. Hopefully the culture in the West changes as a result of this.

The virus also originated in the East so they took it more seriously. I think this shows us how fast a virus can actually spread. If you get a story of it in Wuhan, we have to assume it is already in our country. I think that will be the mindset moving forward.

We used to have an early warning expert in China......

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv/exclusive-u-s-axed-cdc-expert-job-in-china-months-before-virus-outbreak-idUSKBN21910S

[Richfield]

I think part of it, and I don't have a link, is that some states were getting either more than they requested or more than they were using. Meanwhile people dying in NY because their aren't enough.

Distribution has definitely a big problem. Numbers wise Cuomo has a case why his state should be prioritized. And I wouldn't doubt he thinks he can distribute to the other states better too.

Maybe it would help to not think of this problem with state lines in mind. People are dying at a higher pace in one area. He thinks that area should be prioritized. And it happens to be in his state. He's trying to save lives at a higher rate than what is the current rate.

Anyways if I watch any of that news conference again later or if I find a link, I'll try to clarify what I was hearing about the numbers to different states being off somehow. Maybe that will put some better context to the tweet.

Are you talking about ventilators? I don't remember seeing that they were already short if needed ventilators. I thought they are projecting to not have enough in the coming days but hadn't reached that point yet.

Could you please clarify what shortage you are talking about and provide a link?

Not sure the numbers on ventilators specifically. I'm talking about supplies in general, whatever they're short on, if its masks, ventilators, icu beds, protective equipment, anything they're trying to get to save lives and stop the spread (saves lives). Cuomo spends minutes talking about the need for ventilators almost daily but whether he means in real time or projected need for where the spike is heading I don't know.

I'm watching his presser from just recent, he's talking about the need for ventilators. He's talking about the numbers of people testing positive, being hospitalized, needing icu beds, etc. The numbers are not looking good on the graphic, especially where they're heading. Says they bought every ventilator they could find. But fed govt buys their ventilators from the same places. I'm still not sure the full context of the tweet. But my response was more regardless of the details, took it as they're short, and/or projecting to be short on things they need medically.

His idea to attack the problem with medical is based in that NY is the hottest hot spot right now, and that once the resources are applied and the curve turns for the better in 1 hot spot, that equipment (and people/experts) goes to the next worse hot spot. Cuomo said he would go with them help lead the roll out, and basically run that migrating system.

Lots of ideas and stuff going on in NY. You can youtube his press conferences if you like. Another good place to see and read about it too is at NY1,

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/health-and-medicine/coronavirus-blog

[Nuntius]

This is a supply issue, not a coordination issue. Simply put, we do not have the supply to meet the demand. I am thankful for the many companies that have stepped up, but it will take time for them to produce.

This isn't a Democrat or Republican specific problem. This country was caught with its pants down when it comes to resources. I hope we learn from this and make sure our reserves are stocked.

Caught with our pants down? S. Korea and the US had their first case of the virus of the same day. This is a case of the federal government downplaying this for 2 months and not acting and still dragging their feet till this day. Don't rewrite history when it hasn't even been 6 months.

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Every western nation is having the same problem. Meanwhile all the eastern nations are doing well. The issue is more cultural than political. Hopefully the culture in the West changes as a result of this.

The first two sentences are correct. As for the third one, I both agree and disagree. It is true that part of the issue here is cultural. But that doesn't mean that politicians shouldn't do their job properly. The fact of the matter is that most politicians in the West failed to deal with this virus properly. Maybe they thought that the virus wouldn't impact them significantly just like SARS and MERS didn't impact them. Maybe they thought that it was just the flu. We can't know what they were thinking but we do know that their inaction is the cause of all of what we've been seeing now.

It is also important to note that not everyone failed equally here. Some failed more while others failed less. Some are still failing right now by trying to downplay the impact of this virus.

[LKN]

The hospitalization rate in NY seems to be flat (it's the whole state though - so could be local issues where increases are big) over the last 3 days. ~ 600 more each day for a total of 3,805

[Dirk]

This topic is primarily to focus on the "virus", not really the day to day negotiations between states and the government or the economy.

It's a fine balance, because the economy and the way the government will support families and businesses is important. But right now, I will take a guess... it's too soon to talk about "when should businesses re-open". The focus is testing and building up capacity to treat people. When you actually know how bad it is, then you will have a better idea of when businesses and schools should re-open.

Remember --- every other country is in some form of "lockdown" and no one knows when they will re-open. They're just hoping to "flatten the curve" and seeing the numbers trend down to then get back to some form of normality.

"The old have lived enough, they would die anyway" is essentially the new "it's just flu" type posts. And they will just derail this topic, every single time. So, takethat elsewhere.

Use this section for those discussions please.
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewforum.php?f=69

[Noctilux]

This is a supply issue, not a coordination issue. Simply put, we do not have the supply to meet the demand. I am thankful for the many companies that have stepped up, but it will take time for them to produce.

This isn't a Democrat or Republican specific problem. This country was caught with its pants down when it comes to resources. I hope we learn from this and make sure our reserves are stocked.

Caught with our pants down? S. Korea and the US had their first case of the virus of the same day. This is a case of the federal government downplaying this for 2 months and not acting and still dragging their feet till this day. Don't rewrite history when it hasn't even been 6 months.

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Every western nation is having the same problem. Meanwhile all the eastern nations are doing well. The issue is more cultural than political. Hopefully the culture in the West changes as a result of this.

Northern European countries are doing much better than Spain, Italy, France, and the U.S.

[AdagioPace]

Caught with our pants down? S. Korea and the US had their first case of the virus of the same day. This is a case of the federal government downplaying this for 2 months and not acting and still dragging their feet till this day. Don't rewrite history when it hasn't even been 6 months.

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Every western nation is having the same problem. Meanwhile all the eastern nations are doing well. The issue is more cultural than political. Hopefully the culture in the West changes as a result of this.

Northern European countries are doing much better than Spain, Italy, France, and the U.S.

you're generalizing here.
Denmark was the second in Europe to go in full lockdown after Italy
Sweden is still playing with fire (their leading epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, is a bit crazy) and basically doing nothing special.
Norway, Sweden, Denmark have less ICU beds per capita than Slovakia and Poland for example....just to give you a general feel

they're not doing any better in terms of testing for example or strict measures