Coronavirus

[AKfanatic]

Two things can be assumed from the data which I believe is incomplete.

1. Mortality rate is lower than the data says. If you the same deaths and underreported cases, than the mortality rate will drop.
2. The cases are under reported. There are not enough tests available and everyone who wants a test can't get one.

Let's challenge assumption #1. Do we know that the number of COVID-19 deaths are being properly reported? Isn't it possible that someone who was never tested dies and it isn't reported as a COVID-19 death?

I wonder what the average rate of pneumonia deaths is compared to the past month.

if someone dies due to unknown causes, i cannot imagine that the body is not tested for coronavirus

Is a bit odd that less than a week ago the CDC put out word that it was a difficult “flu season” with a higher rate of deaths.....

[dice]

This is not exponential growth

yes it is. in fact, if you graph the data, the trend line is exponential and the formula is y = 126.26e^0.2885x

if the daily increases are themselves increasing it is exponential data. there are different degrees of exponential growth depending on the exponent! see first chart for the visual representation:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

click on the 'logarithmic' tab in the upper left and you'll notice that we have had exponential growth since march 1st

Where is the emoji for "embarrassment"? yes, I had it wrong....

happens to the best of us

the exponential nature of the data certainly doesn't leap off the page like a textbook example might

[dice]

Let's challenge assumption #1. Do we know that the number of COVID-19 deaths are being properly reported? Isn't it possible that someone who was never tested dies and it isn't reported as a COVID-19 death?

I wonder what the average rate of pneumonia deaths is compared to the past month.

if someone dies due to unknown causes, i cannot imagine that the body is not tested for coronavirus

Is a bit odd that less than a week ago the CDC put out word that it was a difficult “flu season” with a higher rate of deaths.....

we would have been too early in the coronavirus process for deaths to markedly impact flu totals

[dice]

Read on Twitter

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Suffice it to say, the Trump administration has cumulatively failed, both in taking seriously the specific, repeated intelligence community warnings about a coronavirus outbreak and in vigorously pursuing the nationwide response initiatives commensurate with the predicted threat. The federal government alone has the resources and authorities to lead the relevant public and private stakeholders to confront the foreseeable harms posed by the virus. Unfortunately, Trump officials made a series of judgments (minimizing the hazards of COVID-19) and decisions (refusing to act with the urgency required) that have needlessly made Americans far less safe

from in-progress daily press conference:

"it's hard not to be impressed with the job we have done"

also claimed that he personally insisted on congressional oversight on the corporate loans. "and the republicans wanted that too...and the democrats"

[bullsnewdynasty]

The bill is just another way for Congress to get their pork and pet projects funded.

Democrat plan includes:

- Post Office debt forgiveness
- $35 million for Kennedy Center
- $15/hour minimum wage and environmental provisions for companies receiving federal assistance
- Cell phone handouts to low income households

It's absolutely disgusting that politicians would try and push this stuff right now.

But at least tell the whole story, you skipped over the part in which Republicans want to create a slush fund of 1/2 trillion to save companies, and Trump says "I'll oversee it", but refuses to say his hotels won't be receiving funds. So it's basically 500 billion for him and his friends.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/stimulus-package-details-coronavirus/index.html

The legislation prohibits federally elected officials and their immediate relatives from obtaining funds from the $500 billion program.
Businesses that are owned or partly owned by "the President, the Vice President, the head of an Executive department, or a Member of Congress; and the spouse, child, son-in-law, or daughter-in-law" will be barred. The provision applies to anyone with 20% or greater stake in a business.

Not sure what you're talking about, there's a specific provision that Trump can't get anything and the $500 billion you're talking about is supposed to be loans administered by state/local government with Congressional oversight.

But to you I'm sure it's all still some kind of elaborate scheme to enrich Trump because you hate him.

[CBS7]

The bill is just another way for Congress to get their pork and pet projects funded.

Democrat plan includes:

- Post Office debt forgiveness
- $35 million for Kennedy Center
- $15/hour minimum wage and environmental provisions for companies receiving federal assistance
- Cell phone handouts to low income households

It's absolutely disgusting that politicians would try and push this stuff right now.

But at least tell the whole story, you skipped over the part in which Republicans want to create a slush fund of 1/2 trillion to save companies, and Trump says "I'll oversee it", but refuses to say his hotels won't be receiving funds. So it's basically 500 billion for him and his friends.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/stimulus-package-details-coronavirus/index.html

The legislation prohibits federally elected officials and their immediate relatives from obtaining funds from the $500 billion program.
Businesses that are owned or partly owned by "the President, the Vice President, the head of an Executive department, or a Member of Congress; and the spouse, child, son-in-law, or daughter-in-law" will be barred. The provision applies to anyone with 20% or greater stake in a business.

Not sure what you're talking about, there's a specific provision that Trump can't get anything and the $500 billion you're talking about is supposed to be loans administered by state/local government with Congressional oversight.

But to you I'm sure it's all still some kind of elaborate scheme to enrich Trump because you hate him.

The original did not have all the same clauses as the one you linked

[Dez]

We're in stage 2 lockdown in Australia and despite our PM confusing the hell out of people with choice of words when addressing the country I think we're on the right track. We'll probably head into stage 3 in the next few days but our state governments are looking to lockdown even further than than the federal government have advised just to be safe.

It's definitely taking effect here in Victoria, absolutely noticed far less traffic on the road when going to and from work (still fortunate enough to be working) which has been a pleasant thing for me out of this pandemic.

[dougthonus]

Not sure what you're talking about, there's a specific provision that Trump can't get anything and the $500 billion you're talking about is supposed to be loans administered by state/local government with Congressional oversight.

But to you I'm sure it's all still some kind of elaborate scheme to enrich Trump because you hate him.

I believe none of the things you quoted democrats wanted are in the bill either, and I have seen no reference to them anywhere except your post (not to say they weren't on the table at some point, but I didn't see it).

As for the slush fund, initially the republicans wanted to have sole control of where the money would go to corporations with no oversight and no public knowledge of where they were spreading it until six months from now.

How much all of this (on both sides) was just posturing to have something to give up to force the other side to give things up in the political game of whatever I don't know.

[dice]

The bill is just another way for Congress to get their pork and pet projects funded.

Democrat plan includes:

- Post Office debt forgiveness
- $35 million for Kennedy Center
- $15/hour minimum wage and environmental provisions for companies receiving federal assistance
- Cell phone handouts to low income households

It's absolutely disgusting that politicians would try and push this stuff right now.

But at least tell the whole story, you skipped over the part in which Republicans want to create a slush fund of 1/2 trillion to save companies, and Trump says "I'll oversee it", but refuses to say his hotels won't be receiving funds. So it's basically 500 billion for him and his friends.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/politics/stimulus-package-details-coronavirus/index.html

The legislation prohibits federally elected officials and their immediate relatives from obtaining funds from the $500 billion program.
Businesses that are owned or partly owned by "the President, the Vice President, the head of an Executive department, or a Member of Congress; and the spouse, child, son-in-law, or daughter-in-law" will be barred. The provision applies to anyone with 20% or greater stake in a business.

Not sure what you're talking about, there's a specific provision that Trump can't get anything and the $500 billion you're talking about is supposed to be loans administered by state/local government with Congressional oversight.

which were provisions specifically negotiated by the democrats to be put into the final bill. this has been discussed starting w/ post 1406 2 pages ago in this thread. unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that needs to be accounted for with the trump family/administration:

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/05/jared-kushner-sells-stake-in-real-estate-company-after-value-skyrockets-thanks-to-trump-tax-cuts/

Watch on YouTube

[kulaz3000]

We're in stage 2 lockdown in Australia and despite our PM confusing the hell out of people with choice of words when addressing the country I think we're on the right track. We'll probably head into stage 3 in the next few days but our state governments are looking to lockdown even further than than the federal government have advised just to be safe.

It's definitely taking effect here in Victoria, absolutely noticed far less traffic on the road when going to and from work (still fortunate enough to be working) which has been a pleasant thing for me out of this pandemic.

I too live in Australia, and I feel the government should have acted quicker and should have went directly to an entire lock down, instead of staggering the lock down as they have so far, as those infected have trended upwards.

I'm sorry about Scotty has been quite horrendous with his messaging causing panic and confusion, and that's not what a leader should be doing. Just look at the prime minister of our neighbors in New Zealand, she knows how to send a message loud and clear.

[Dresden]

A couple of prominent scientists or new studies indicate some hope that this might be less terrible than expected- either that it won't keep spreading at the rate it has been, or that it has already spread very widely, and that many people are infected but just showed no symptoms, and have now become immune. Interesting hypotheses....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-study-suggests-millions-people-221100162.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-nobel-prize-winner-predicts-210243895.html

[Dez]

We're in stage 2 lockdown in Australia and despite our PM confusing the hell out of people with choice of words when addressing the country I think we're on the right track. We'll probably head into stage 3 in the next few days but our state governments are looking to lockdown even further than than the federal government have advised just to be safe.

It's definitely taking effect here in Victoria, absolutely noticed far less traffic on the road when going to and from work (still fortunate enough to be working) which has been a pleasant thing for me out of this pandemic.

I too live in Australia, and I feel the government should have acted quicker and should have went directly to an entire lock down, instead of staggering the lock down as they have so far, as those infected have trended upwards.

I'm sorry about Scotty has been quite horrendous with his messaging causing panic and confusion, and that's not what a leader should be doing. Just look at the prime minister of our neighbors in New Zealand, she knows how to send a message loud and clear.

I'm no ScoMo fan especially after the bushfire disaster, his messaging was outright deplorable.

I'm no fan of Dan Andrews either but he's at least been firm and clear with his messaging and he's looking to go further than Morrison.

The numbers were always going to go up but I think we've done a good job slowing it down to a point where our health system isn't destroyed like what's happening in the USA.

[Dresden]

Read on Twitter

?s=21

Suffice it to say, the Trump administration has cumulatively failed, both in taking seriously the specific, repeated intelligence community warnings about a coronavirus outbreak and in vigorously pursuing the nationwide response initiatives commensurate with the predicted threat. The federal government alone has the resources and authorities to lead the relevant public and private stakeholders to confront the foreseeable harms posed by the virus. Unfortunately, Trump officials made a series of judgments (minimizing the hazards of COVID-19) and decisions (refusing to act with the urgency required) that have needlessly made Americans far less safe

from in-progress daily press conference:

"it's hard not to be impressed with the job we have done"

also claimed that he personally insisted on congressional oversight on the corporate loans. "and the republicans wanted that too...and the democrats"

Not to put too fine of a point on things, but one particular political party has been at the helm for the 4 biggest disasters we've suffered in the past 50 years- Corona, the 2008 financial meltdown, Katrina, and 9-11. Yet they keep billing themselves as the party that will keep America safe (through a big military).

[kulaz3000]

We're in stage 2 lockdown in Australia and despite our PM confusing the hell out of people with choice of words when addressing the country I think we're on the right track. We'll probably head into stage 3 in the next few days but our state governments are looking to lockdown even further than than the federal government have advised just to be safe.

It's definitely taking effect here in Victoria, absolutely noticed far less traffic on the road when going to and from work (still fortunate enough to be working) which has been a pleasant thing for me out of this pandemic.

I too live in Australia, and I feel the government should have acted quicker and should have went directly to an entire lock down, instead of staggering the lock down as they have so far, as those infected have trended upwards.

I'm sorry about Scotty has been quite horrendous with his messaging causing panic and confusion, and that's not what a leader should be doing. Just look at the prime minister of our neighbors in New Zealand, she knows how to send a message loud and clear.

I'm no ScoMo fan especially after the bushfire disaster, his messaging was outright deplorable.

I'm no fan of Dan Andrews either but he's at least been firm and clear with his messaging and he's looking to go further than Morrison.

The numbers were always going to go up but I think we've done a good job slowing it down to a point where our health system isn't destroyed like what's happening in the USA.

That situation with that cruise ship was an absolutely disaster though and that should have been avoided. I'm still baffled as to how it happened.

[AKfanatic]

Strong ad, using Trump’s own words...

Seems someone doesn’t like the prospects of an ad challenging his attempts at rewriting the history of his handling of the virus

Read on Twitter

[dice]

Read on Twitter

?s=21

from in-progress daily press conference:

"it's hard not to be impressed with the job we have done"

also claimed that he personally insisted on congressional oversight on the corporate loans. "and the republicans wanted that too...and the democrats"

Not to put too fine of a point on things, but one particular political party has been at the helm for the 4 biggest disasters we've suffered in the past 50 years- Corona, the 2008 financial meltdown, Katrina, and 9-11. Yet they keep billing themselves as the party that will keep America safe (through a big military).

you can add the botched response to the puerto rico situation as well. that counts as a "we" crisis

also, and this has got to be coincidence to large degree, but good luck finding a republican administration that did not preside over a recession

that photo of trump and bush recalls how both swept significant national intelligence warnings under the rug (bush w/ 9/11, trump w/ coronavirus)

[AKfanatic]

WASHINGTON(Reuters) - The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned.

Most of the reductions were made at the Beijing office of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and occurred over the past two years, according to public CDC documents viewed by Reuters and interviews with four people familiar with the drawdown.

The Atlanta-based CDC, America’s preeminent disease fighting agency, provides public health assistance to nations around the world and works with them to help stop outbreaks of contagious diseases from spreading globally. It has worked in China for 30 years.


The CDC’s China headcount has shrunk to around 14 staffers, down from approximately 47 people since President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, the documents show. The four people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the losses included epidemiologists and other health professionals

More at link:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21C3N5?__twitter_impression=true

[dice]

WASHINGTON(Reuters) - The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned.

Most of the reductions were made at the Beijing office of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and occurred over the past two years, according to public CDC documents viewed by Reuters and interviews with four people familiar with the drawdown.

The Atlanta-based CDC, America’s preeminent disease fighting agency, provides public health assistance to nations around the world and works with them to help stop outbreaks of contagious diseases from spreading globally. It has worked in China for 30 years.


The CDC’s China headcount has shrunk to around 14 staffers, down from approximately 47 people since President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, the documents show. The four people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the losses included epidemiologists and other health professionals

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21C3N5?__twitter_impression=true

that's just the tip of the iceberg. they've made cuts to public health assistance all over the world, which they don't seem to understand is done with OUR national interest in mind. it's not just charity. still at it, too:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/10/trump-world-health-organization-funding-coronavirus-state-department-usaid-budget-cuts/

we spend $6 bil a year trying to prevent disease around the globe for a reason: to prevent $2,200 bil stimulus bills when something goes wrong

[AKfanatic]

WASHINGTON(Reuters) - The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned.

Most of the reductions were made at the Beijing office of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and occurred over the past two years, according to public CDC documents viewed by Reuters and interviews with four people familiar with the drawdown.

The Atlanta-based CDC, America’s preeminent disease fighting agency, provides public health assistance to nations around the world and works with them to help stop outbreaks of contagious diseases from spreading globally. It has worked in China for 30 years.


The CDC’s China headcount has shrunk to around 14 staffers, down from approximately 47 people since President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, the documents show. The four people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the losses included epidemiologists and other health professionals

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21C3N5?__twitter_impression=true

that's just the tip of the iceberg. they've made cuts to public health assistance all over the world, which they don't seem to understand is done with OUR national interest in mind. it's not just charity. still at it, too:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/10/trump-world-health-organization-funding-coronavirus-state-department-usaid-budget-cuts/

Yep. The ignorance is staggering. It goes along with their talk of other countries not “paying” us for our military bases... as if US military bases are solely positioned to protect them and not placed strategically to allow the US to operate safely at a distance away from their own borders.

[Dresden]

WASHINGTON(Reuters) - The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned.

Most of the reductions were made at the Beijing office of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and occurred over the past two years, according to public CDC documents viewed by Reuters and interviews with four people familiar with the drawdown.

The Atlanta-based CDC, America’s preeminent disease fighting agency, provides public health assistance to nations around the world and works with them to help stop outbreaks of contagious diseases from spreading globally. It has worked in China for 30 years.


The CDC’s China headcount has shrunk to around 14 staffers, down from approximately 47 people since President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, the documents show. The four people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the losses included epidemiologists and other health professionals

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21C3N5?__twitter_impression=true

that's just the tip of the iceberg. they've made cuts to public health assistance all over the world, which they don't seem to understand is done with OUR national interest in mind. it's not just charity. still at it, too:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/10/trump-world-health-organization-funding-coronavirus-state-department-usaid-budget-cuts/

we spend $6 bil a year trying to prevent disease around the globe for a reason: to prevent $2,200 bil stimulus bills when something goes wrong

Yikes. I hope they aren't going to follow through with those cuts in light of what is happening.