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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1461 » by TheStig » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:47 pm

moorhosj wrote:
TheStig wrote:Two things can be assumed from the data which I believe is incomplete.

1. Mortality rate is lower than the data says. If you the same deaths and underreported cases, than the mortality rate will drop.
2. The cases are under reported. There are not enough tests available and everyone who wants a test can't get one.


Let's challenge assumption #1. Do we know that the number of COVID-19 deaths are being properly reported? Isn't it possible that someone who was never tested dies and it isn't reported as a COVID-19 death?

I wonder what the average rate of pneumonia deaths is compared to the past month.

I think they've been testing people who passed away for the covid and it's clearly the minority of the two. It's like the flu (not the disease but the way the numbers are calculated) in that a lot don't get tested for it or report it.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1462 » by TallDude » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:49 pm

Trump is just Another great idiot. Nobody should listen to him. He can accidently do some good but that is rare. This is a old man who is just too greed. Even his last years. He does not look good and have a lot of make up. Well i don`t want him to die just step aside and give Usa President who actually care people`s health. I don`t care if all my business is going down. After this i just start over again if needed. Hopefully i don`t have to :o But i`m ready to use Millions of Euros/Dollars for this. I mean my workers. I have enough money to go bankrupt. I still have my apartment, House and summerhouse. And some savings. Now i support local business and u should buy as close u can also.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1463 » by AKfanatic » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:53 pm

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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1464 » by TheStig » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:04 am

I will say, this bailout is nonsense. Why do scream socialist at the guy trying to help the little guy but support corporate welfare? We do these deals with minimum restrictions and corporations that are a failure like Boeing and letting them call the shots.

This is a clear call that they need to remove money from politics. No more unrestricted super pacs.

I can't believe that large corporations will be able to access up to 4.25 trillion in this bailout and no requirement that they keep their employees on payroll.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1465 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:10 am

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Things are going to turn really ugly and this administration will shift to blaming local leaders for this administration own failures
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Post#1466 » by whonka » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:11 am

Dresden wrote:A couple of prominent scientists or new studies indicate some hope that this might be less terrible than expected- either that it won't keep spreading at the rate it has been, or that it has already spread very widely, and that many people are infected but just showed no symptoms, and have now become immune. Interesting hypotheses....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/oxford-study-suggests-millions-people-221100162.html

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-nobel-prize-winner-predicts-210243895.html



I haven't read the actual study referenced by the first link myself but that article's "model" doesn't make sense with the current real world scenario. If the virus has already spread everywhere then why are hospitals NOW currently overwhelmed and people are testing positive by the minute? We are seeing rates of respiratory failure and ARDS that we just did not see before. In January we did NOT have this amount of ARDS in hospitals, even undiagnosed. Not even close.

See below link if anyone doesn't believe my account. That article/model of spread does NOT jive with reality.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/25/health/coronavirus-covid-hospitals/index.html

"The reality is that what we're seeing right now in our emergency rooms is dire," said Dr. Craig Spencer, director of global health in emergency medicine at NewYork-Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center in New York City.

"Last week when I went to work, we talked about the one or two patients amongst the dozens of others that might have been a Covid or coronavirus patient," Spencer told CNN's Anderson Cooper Tuesday. "In my shift yesterday, nearly every single patient that I took care of was coronavirus, and many of them extremely severe. Many were put on breathing tubes. Many decompensated quite quickly.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1467 » by dice » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:14 am

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dice wrote:

that's just the tip of the iceberg. they've made cuts to public health assistance all over the world, which they don't seem to understand is done with OUR national interest in mind. it's not just charity. still at it, too:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/10/trump-world-health-organization-funding-coronavirus-state-department-usaid-budget-cuts/

we spend $6 bil a year trying to prevent disease around the globe for a reason: to prevent $2,200 bil stimulus bills when something goes wrong


Yikes. I hope they aren't going to follow through with those cuts in light of what is happening.

congress won't accept it or anything close
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Post#1468 » by Dez » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:16 am

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Dez wrote:
kulaz3000 wrote:
I too live in Australia, and I feel the government should have acted quicker and should have went directly to an entire lock down, instead of staggering the lock down as they have so far, as those infected have trended upwards.

I'm sorry about Scotty has been quite horrendous with his messaging causing panic and confusion, and that's not what a leader should be doing. Just look at the prime minister of our neighbors in New Zealand, she knows how to send a message loud and clear.


I'm no ScoMo fan especially after the bushfire disaster, his messaging was outright deplorable.

I'm no fan of Dan Andrews either but he's at least been firm and clear with his messaging and he's looking to go further than Morrison.

The numbers were always going to go up but I think we've done a good job slowing it down to a point where our health system isn't destroyed like what's happening in the USA.


That situation with that cruise ship was an absolutely disaster though and that should have been avoided. I'm still baffled as to how it happened.


Yeah that was incredible, actually testing positive and letting them off the ship was dumbfounding.

It'll be no worries tracking them down but just let them infect hundreds of people first.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1469 » by MrSparkle » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:37 am

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Suffice it to say, the Trump administration has cumulatively failed, both in taking seriously the specific, repeated intelligence community warnings about a coronavirus outbreak and in vigorously pursuing the nationwide response initiatives commensurate with the predicted threat. The federal government alone has the resources and authorities to lead the relevant public and private stakeholders to confront the foreseeable harms posed by the virus. Unfortunately, Trump officials made a series of judgments (minimizing the hazards of COVID-19) and decisions (refusing to act with the urgency required) that have needlessly made Americans far less safe


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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1470 » by dice » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:43 am

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Things are going to turn really ugly and this administration will shift to blaming local leaders for this administration own failures

trump has chided state governors who are asking for federal assistance securing medical equipment, saying that it's their job to do so. but states and the federal government are bidding AGAINST EACH OTHER as well as foreign governments, with private companies more than happy to gouge them. new york is paying $7 per N-95 mask when they ordinarily cost 85 cents. they're having to find overseas suppliers, including, ironically, china

trump has the authorization to force manufacturers here in the USA to produce sufficient amounts and sell them to the federal government at retail prices, but refuses to interfere with the free market

"we're a country not based on nationalizing our business. call a person over in venezuela." apparently the chamber of commerce is influencing his stance:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-defense-production-act.html
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1471 » by 2018C3 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:47 am

Little known fact. Trunp just donated his qautery salary towards the effort to fight coronavirus. He did not want to accept a presidental salary in the first place, but since he has to by law has been donating whatever he gets towards different organizations.

Main stream media will not give him credit for this, but instead if it comes out will try to twist some stupid agenda,

On the other hand Trump in the past once clained he is the first to do this, but that is untrue, To date there have been three presidents who have done the same, including the democrate Kennedy,

People just need to sometimes acknowledge the good, without the constant attack.

I understand he has a ego that rubs many people the wrong way. and I don't like seeing that either. But when someone does good things it should come to public attention, and this has not got much coverage.

Pesonally I'm middke of the road. Where I take a stance is I'm Anti-abortion, I'm Pro Climate, I'm Pro gun, and all the other isues are up in the air for what ever candigate may offer the best solutions. I'n the past I have kept a open mind and have voted for both parties as I am a free thinker.

On the healthcare issue I am open to the best idea's that are presented. On boarder control, I would like to see it secured,but with todays technology do not think a wall is needed, I want everyone to have a fair chance to enter this country legally under the same rules.

On this particular topic of boarder control, I think buisnesses should be held accountable for hiring non-american workers, The easiest way to handle this would be to provide buisnesses and floreiners specific permits to hire and work as non-Americans legally in feilds that need the work. And then also fine those same buisnesses heavily if they break the rules. That way legal work permits could be offered at the boarders.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1472 » by dice » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:29 am

2018C3 wrote:Little known fact. Trunp just donated his qautery salary towards the effort to fight coronavirus. He did not want to accept a presidental salary in the first place, but since he has to by law has been donating whatever he gets towards different organizations.

Main stream media will not give him credit for this

"main stream" media has not shied away from mentioning this. then again, they haven't had much of an opportunity to ignore it given that trump himself brings it up all the time, wondering why people aren't celebrating him for it. here's his imaginary arch-nemesis CNN covering his administration holding a news conference trumpeting (no pun intended) his generosity:





but instead if it comes out will try to twist some stupid agenda

know what's a "stupid agenda"? consistently trying to solicit praise for giving up a few hundred grand in salary when you're making untold millions annually off your presidency because you refused to do the NORMAL thing and cut ties with your businesses when you become leader of the free world

donald trump claims that he is worth 10 billion dollars. this is a gross exaggeration to be sure, but let's be very generous and say he's worth 4 billion. his presidential salary would then be 0.01% of his net worth...

...the median US household is worth under 100K. if they made the same "sacrifice" trump has, it would be like surrendering a salary of ten damn bucks. which you can be sure they would not be seeking recognition for
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1473 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:35 am

2018C3 wrote:Little known fact. Trunp just donated his qautery salary towards the effort to fight coronavirus. He did not want to accept a presidental salary in the first place, but since he has to by law has been donating whatever he gets towards different organizations.

Main stream media will not give him credit for this, but instead if it comes out will try to twist some stupid agenda,

On the other hand Trump in the past once clained he is the first to do this, but that is untrue, To date there have been three presidents who have done the same, including the democrate Kennedy,

People just need to sometimes acknowledge the good, without the constant attack.

I understand he has a ego that rubs many people the wrong way. and I don't like seeing that either. But when someone does good things it should come to public attention, and this has not got much coverage.

Pesonally I'm middke of the road. Where I take a stance is I'm Anti-abortion, I'm Pro Climate, I'm Pro gun, and all the other isues are up in the air for what ever candigate may offer the best solutions. I'n the past I have kept a open mind and have voted for both parties as I am a free thinker.

On the healthcare issue I am open to the best idea's that are presented. On boarder control, I would like to see it secured, but with todays technology do not think a wall is needed, I want everyone to have a fair chance to enter this country legally under the same rules.

On this particular topic, I think buisnesses should be held accountable for hiring non-american workers, The easiest way to handle this would be to provide buisnesses specific permits to hire non-American workers legally in feilds that need the work. And then also fine those same buisnesses heavily if they break the rules. That way legal work permits could be offered at the boarders.


Meanwhile, Trump donated his quarterly salary....

While charging the secret service full price at his properties literally every other day. These donated salaries are a PR stunt for those too lazy to look at how much tax payers dollars he’s been funneling into his pockets.

Military personal having their normal routes out of Europe changed in order for them to stay at Trumps Scottish property, at rates higher than what they previously had at non Trump entities.

Kushner, Don Jr, Ivanka, using Trumps position as president to funnel money from SA, UAE, Qatar, Turkey, and numerous other countries, straight into Trump entities.

The numbers and facts are out there and very easy to find. The couple hundred grand being “donated” pales in comparison to the tens of millions that the Trump family has pocketed, in broad daylight, from the American tax payer.

Read on Twitter


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Read on Twitter


It goes on and on and on and on....
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1474 » by 2018C3 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:37 am

Dice, I honestly believe you are a smart guy. I respect your opinons and you have also posted sone things I was not aware of. I'm glad you take take the time to form your opinions and respect your view points on all of these issues.

Althoug sometimes we might disagrree on some of this stuff, differnt view points are needed to make the system we all live in work. That's what this countrys future leadership is all about. I try my best to go with the general flow of what the people want. Although I have some disagreements of where I think things might be heading, I absoultely hate the two party system that is now in place.

The reason I hate it, is were not voting in individual minds, but are forced to choose between corporate funded politics on both sides.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1475 » by dice » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:39 am

AKfanatic wrote:
2018C3 wrote:Little known fact. Trunp just donated his qautery salary towards the effort to fight coronavirus. He did not want to accept a presidental salary in the first place, but since he has to by law has been donating whatever he gets towards different organizations.

Main stream media will not give him credit for this, but instead if it comes out will try to twist some stupid agenda,

On the other hand Trump in the past once clained he is the first to do this, but that is untrue, To date there have been three presidents who have done the same, including the democrate Kennedy,

People just need to sometimes acknowledge the good, without the constant attack.

I understand he has a ego that rubs many people the wrong way. and I don't like seeing that either. But when someone does good things it should come to public attention, and this has not got much coverage.

Pesonally I'm middke of the road. Where I take a stance is I'm Anti-abortion, I'm Pro Climate, I'm Pro gun, and all the other isues are up in the air for what ever candigate may offer the best solutions. I'n the past I have kept a open mind and have voted for both parties as I am a free thinker.

On the healthcare issue I am open to the best idea's that are presented. On boarder control, I would like to see it secured, but with todays technology do not think a wall is needed, I want everyone to have a fair chance to enter this country legally under the same rules.

On this particular topic, I think buisnesses should be held accountable for hiring non-american workers, The easiest way to handle this would be to provide buisnesses specific permits to hire non-American workers legally in feilds that need the work. And then also fine those same buisnesses heavily if they break the rules. That way legal work permits could be offered at the boarders.


Meanwhile, Trump donated his quarterly salary....

While charging the secret service full price at his properties literally every other day. These donated salaries are a PR stunt for those too lazy to look at how much tax payers dollars he’s been funneling into his pockets.

Military personal having their normal routes out of Europe changed in other for them to stay at Trumps Scottish property, at rates higher than what they previously had at non Trump entities.

Kushner, Don Jr, Ivanka, using Trumps position as president to funnel money from SA, UAE, Qatar, Turkey, and numerous other countries, straight into Trump entities.

The numbers and facts are out there and very easy to find. The couple hundred grand being “donated” pales in comparison to the tens of millions that the Trump family has pocketed, in broad daylight, from the American tax payer.

kushner pocketed at least 20 MILLION dollars due in large part to a tax cut that he and ivanka lobbied for:

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/05/jared-kushner-sells-stake-in-real-estate-company-after-value-skyrockets-thanks-to-trump-tax-cuts/

it should also be noted that every one of the trump announcements of his salary donations is like a highly cost-effective campaign ad. additionally:

-trump donated a $78K in salary to the national parks service (video in prior post), then requested a 12% budget cut for...the national park service. that's hundreds of millions of dollars a year in cuts

-he donated $100K to the department of education, then asked for a 9 BILLION dollar cut to...the department of education

could an announcement that he is donating his salary to national health agencies be next? is he that brazen?
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1476 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:42 am

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And on and on and on


How many masks and gloves could one purchase for US hospitals with that tax payer money?

The narrative that the mainstream media isn’t reporting good guy Trump donating pennies on the dollar that he’s syphoning off is laughable.
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Post#1477 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:50 am

dice wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:
2018C3 wrote:Little known fact. Trunp just donated his qautery salary towards the effort to fight coronavirus. He did not want to accept a presidental salary in the first place, but since he has to by law has been donating whatever he gets towards different organizations.

Main stream media will not give him credit for this, but instead if it comes out will try to twist some stupid agenda,

On the other hand Trump in the past once clained he is the first to do this, but that is untrue, To date there have been three presidents who have done the same, including the democrate Kennedy,

People just need to sometimes acknowledge the good, without the constant attack.

I understand he has a ego that rubs many people the wrong way. and I don't like seeing that either. But when someone does good things it should come to public attention, and this has not got much coverage.

Pesonally I'm middke of the road. Where I take a stance is I'm Anti-abortion, I'm Pro Climate, I'm Pro gun, and all the other isues are up in the air for what ever candigate may offer the best solutions. I'n the past I have kept a open mind and have voted for both parties as I am a free thinker.

On the healthcare issue I am open to the best idea's that are presented. On boarder control, I would like to see it secured, but with todays technology do not think a wall is needed, I want everyone to have a fair chance to enter this country legally under the same rules.

On this particular topic, I think buisnesses should be held accountable for hiring non-american workers, The easiest way to handle this would be to provide buisnesses specific permits to hire non-American workers legally in feilds that need the work. And then also fine those same buisnesses heavily if they break the rules. That way legal work permits could be offered at the boarders.


Meanwhile, Trump donated his quarterly salary....

While charging the secret service full price at his properties literally every other day. These donated salaries are a PR stunt for those too lazy to look at how much tax payers dollars he’s been funneling into his pockets.

Military personal having their normal routes out of Europe changed in other for them to stay at Trumps Scottish property, at rates higher than what they previously had at non Trump entities.

Kushner, Don Jr, Ivanka, using Trumps position as president to funnel money from SA, UAE, Qatar, Turkey, and numerous other countries, straight into Trump entities.

The numbers and facts are out there and very easy to find. The couple hundred grand being “donated” pales in comparison to the tens of millions that the Trump family has pocketed, in broad daylight, from the American tax payer.

kushner pocketed at least 20 MILLION dollars due in large part to a tax cut that he and ivanka lobbied for:

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/05/jared-kushner-sells-stake-in-real-estate-company-after-value-skyrockets-thanks-to-trump-tax-cuts/


Yep. They’ve been a bunch of foxes, gorging on hens from within the White House. Their grift goes back to the inauguration....

Funny that those “beautiful”, “perfect” taxes Trump swore he’d share with the American people while he was running are still hidden from the public.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1478 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:54 am

Meanwhile, In Washington DC

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Post#1479 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:56 am

Meanwhile, In Mississippi

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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1480 » by coldfish » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:02 am

AKfanatic wrote:Meanwhile, In Mississippi

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The overwhelming confidence these guys have is incredible. The numbers dictate that Mississippi is going to lose 1000's if not 10's of thousands of people over the next 8 weeks. For these guys to sign off on this is really a once in a lifetime event. Normally politicians try to weasel their way out of making decisions on parking tickets. To publicly stick their neck out on the line over that many lives is inconceivable. I would love to interview this guy and get an honest answer if he really thinks:
- Its all made up or overblown
- The economic damage isn't worth thousands of lives

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