Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ)

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Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ) 

Post#781 » by steger_3434 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:09 am

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RookieStar wrote:Ok.. this maybe OT, if so.. mods just remove it.

To those USA realgmers living in the suburbs or gated communities and under quarantine/lockdown/ whatever sugary words your politicos used... can you still go out of your house and in your garden? What is the limit? Can you go walk and pace in the street? I'm sure that's not possible to those in apartments inside the cities so asking those outside.


If you go in your car the police may stop you and fine you. People are still going for walks and avoiding each other.

Huh? Martial law was called in your area? Unless it has cops cannot fine you for being in your car. Your rights under the constitution are still your rights. You can’t be stopped just because. This coming from someone that deals with the law enforce a ton. Now if martial law was declared, the. YeH, you have no rights


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Post#782 » by Nuntius » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:26 am

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Post#783 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:27 am

The coronavirus could rack up serious medical bills for Americans.

A report from the Kaiser Family Foundation estimated that the total cost of coronavirus treatment in a hospital could top $20,000 when factoring in out-of-pocket costs and insurance coverage. 

The research factored in the average total cost of treatment for an inpatient admission for pneumonia (pneumonia is among the most serious coronavirus complications) among large employer plans in 2018. For those who suffered major complications, the cost was $20,292. For less than major complications, it cost $13,767 and for those with no complications, the cost was $9,763


“Essentially, it’s two situations,” Matthew Rae, associate director of the Healthcare Marketplace Project at the Kaiser Family Foundation, told Yahoo Money. “One is to go to in-network hospitals. You did your research, you found a hospital which is in your provider network, and then you end up seeing a provider who’s not part of your network.”

If the hospital you go to is in your provider network, there could still be providers within the hospital who are not, such as a radiologist or pathologist. They can charge you what’s known as balance billing — this is when a provider bills you for the difference between their charge and the allowed amount.

“When you get a balance bill, it’s typically a much higher cost,” Rae said. “And these bills can be very expensive for people and importantly, these are financial protections that are baked into your insurance plan. So out-of-pocket maximums don’t apply to spending.”



https://www.yahoo.com/money/coronavirus-hospital-bills-cost-142902046.html

I will continue to reiterate, our country is in a screwed up situation with healthcare. How many people in this country live paycheck to paycheck? 78% do. Look at those bills for Corona virus treatment. We cannot afford this healthcare system, we need a single payer system not only for corona virus but in general for traditional illnesses.
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Re: Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread V (Read Post 1 & FAQ) 

Post#784 » by kulaz3000 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:30 am

Why so serious?
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Post#785 » by Bandit King » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:31 am

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Bandit King wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Ok.. this maybe OT, if so.. mods just remove it.

To those USA realgmers living in the suburbs or gated communities and under quarantine/lockdown/ whatever sugary words your politicos used... can you still go out of your house and in your garden? What is the limit? Can you go walk and pace in the street? I'm sure that's not possible to those in apartments inside the cities so asking those outside.


If you go in your car the police may stop you and fine you. People are still going for walks and avoiding each other.

Huh? Martial law was called in your area? Unless it has cops cannot fine you for being in your car. Your rights under the constitution are still your rights. You can’t be stopped just because. This coming from someone that deals with the law enforce a ton. Now if martial law was declared, the. YeH, you have no rights


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I know someone who was going to Michigan and they got pulled over and fined $900! Granted they did tell the cops they were going to meeting in Michigan! They lived in Illinois! :banghead:
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Post#786 » by LKN » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:33 am

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Post#787 » by RookieStar » Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:57 am

Alright thanks guys. I guess there isnt a state in the USA that has as strict rules or enforcement of the quarantine like Taiwan or Singapore then?
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Post#788 » by zimpy27 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:16 am

RookieStar wrote:Alright thanks guys. I guess there isnt a state in the USA that has as strict rules or enforcement of the quarantine like Taiwan or Singapore then?


Unlikely, very different countries and cities. You'd need a dense population to have the ability to control it with force. Maybe NY could do it.

Also, everyone in these countries does mandatory military service I believe. At least most do it. So they all know how to take orders and to work as a large collective for their country. Not saying other people wouldn't do it, they just may not have ever been trained to what that really entails.
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Post#789 » by LKN » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:19 am

This is exactly what I suspected has been happening

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Post#790 » by Triples333 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:35 am

It will be interesting to see if this bill passes the senate tonight. It's so robust that it does support quite a bit of money for citizens, small business and corporations alike. With no shortage of pork barreling and other random funds that have nothing to do with epidemic we can be sure.
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Post#791 » by LKN » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:35 am

We have now passed 1,000 reported deaths due to COVID 19 in the US
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Post#792 » by HMFFL » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:37 am

LKN wrote:This is exactly what I suspected has been happening

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I like to think the reporting is doing their best, but it doesn't seem accurate, and the numbers are probably much greater.
Considering there's not enough test for people yet it one indication.

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Post#793 » by HMFFL » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:38 am

LKN wrote:We have now passed 1,000 reported deaths due to COVID 19 in the US
And counting.
I refreshed the screen and it says 1,027.
I wonder how long the deaths are accounted for once someone passes.

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Post#794 » by bwgood77 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:44 am

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If you go in your car the police may stop you and fine you. People are still going for walks and avoiding each other.

Huh? Martial law was called in your area? Unless it has cops cannot fine you for being in your car. Your rights under the constitution are still your rights. You can’t be stopped just because. This coming from someone that deals with the law enforce a ton. Now if martial law was declared, the. YeH, you have no rights


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I know someone who was going to Michigan and they got pulled over and fined $900! Granted they did tell the cops they were going to meeting in Michigan! They lived in Illinois! :banghead:


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Post#795 » by Richfield » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:45 am

update on the bill

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/bernie-sanders-4-gop-senators-threaten-to-hold-up-coronavirus-stimulus-bill.html

Bernie Sanders threatens to hold up coronavirus bill after 4 GOP senators push to cut unemployment aid

PUBLISHED WED, MAR 25 20203:47 PM EDTUPDATED 2 HOURS AGO
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KEY POINTS

*The prospect of a planned Senate vote on a $2 trillion stimulus package in response to the coronavirus pandemic dimmed Wednesday as senators threatened to hold up the legislation.

*First, four GOP senators said they could delay the bill over a core unemployment insurance provision.

*Then, Sen. Bernie Sanders said he would delay the bill if his Republican colleagues did not drop their opposition.


Chances for a planned Senate vote Wednesday on a historic $2 trillion relief package in response to the coronavirus pandemic appeared to dwindle as senators threatened to delay it over a key unemployment insurance proposal.

Earlier in the day, four Republican senators — Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott of South Carolina, Ben Sasse of Nebraska and Rick Scott of Florida — threatened to oppose the chamber’s push to pass the rescue package through fast-track procedures. They argued a proposal to add $600 per week to unemployment insurance for up to four months, a core provision of the near-final legislation, could encourage companies to lay off workers and Americans to stay unemployed, urging a vote to cap the aid. (Sasse introduced an amendment Wednesday night saying the benefits should not exceed previous pay).

Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., then said he would delay the bill if his GOP colleagues did not drop their opposition, calling it an “outrage” to prevent Americans from getting emergency unemployment insurance. In a statement, he said he is “prepared to put a hold on this bill” to lobby for tighter restrictions on companies receiving aid from a taxpayer pool of $500 billion.

The prospect of an impasse in the Senate appeared to hit U.S. stock indexes at the end of Wednesday’s session, as markets closed in the green but off their highs. Investors hoped Congress could quickly approve the legislation, which gives direct payments to Americans, loans to businesses large and small, and resources to states and hospitals to fight the outbreak.

Asked about the GOP senators’ criticism of the unemployment plan during a White House briefing Wednesday, Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin said “I don’t think it’ll create incentives” not to work. He said state systems were not equipped to assure Americans would only get benefits equal to their previous pay, adding “this was the only way we could assure that states could get money out quickly in a fair way.”

“Our expectation is this bill passes tonight and gets to the House tomorrow,” he said.

Lawmakers rushed to put together the stimulus plan, which the Senate hopes to pass by Wednesday night after several false starts during frenzied negotiations in recent days. After Democrats blocked an earlier version of the legislation twice to try to secure concessions, Republicans accused them of delaying aid desperately needed to boost a reeling economy and health-care system.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said Wednesday that he would give representatives 24 hours’ notice before a vote on the relief package. By about 7 p.m. ET, the Senate had not released the final version of its legislation.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi told PBS on Wednesday that the chamber could try to pass the bill by voice vote with the vast majority of representatives still out of Washington. If a member requests a recorded vote to document individual responses, lawmakers would have to come back to the Capitol.

First, though, the Senate has to overcome its remaining hurdles to approve the package. Pelosi criticized the GOP senators for their opposition to the legislation.

“Please don’t resent our lowest paid workers in America for getting $600,” she said.

The emergency unemployment insurance provision, a compromise reached between Democrats and Republicans, including the Trump administration, aims to help workers hit by widespread layoffs as regular businesses in the U.S. ground to a halt to slow the pandemic’s spread. Earlier Wednesday, the four Republican senators said some workers would get more money from the insurance than they did from their jobs.

“Let’s just make sure we make people whole. Let’s not increase their salary, because you can’t afford to do that,” Graham told reporters.

In response to the lawmakers’ concerns, a senior GOP aide said that “we’ll have to do something” to secure their support.

Taylor Foy, a spokesman for the Senate Finance Committee, which drafted the unemployment provision, said “nothing in this bill incentivizes businesses to lay off employees, in fact it’s just the opposite.” He noted that the legislation aims to both make sure companies have enough money to cover payroll and create a stronger unemployment insurance program for those who lose their jobs.

“This increase is designed to make the average worker whole. It’s also important to remember that nobody who voluntarily leaves an available job is eligible for [unemployment insurance],” he said.

Sanders’ counter threat to hold up the legislation revolves around perhaps the biggest Democratic concern that emerged from an earlier version of the bill. They worried Mnuchin would have too much discretion over how the government doled out the $500 billion in aid and how companies would use it.

The Trump administration and Republicans agreed to add an inspector general and congressional panel to oversee the fund. However, some Democrats still worry about repeating the mistakes of the Troubled Asset Relief Program during the financial meltdown of 2008, when banks awarded executives with bonuses after receiving bailout money.

Sanders said that if he did hold up the relief bill, he would push to “make sure that any corporation receiving financial assistance under this legislation does not lay off workers, cut wages or benefits, ship jobs overseas, or pay workers poverty wages.”
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Post#796 » by LKN » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:49 am

Maybe all the idiots who aren't doctors should "STFU about this... the consequences are real

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Post#797 » by Richfield » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:52 am

Cuomo says Senate’s $2 trillion coronavirus bill would be ‘terrible’ for New York


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/coronavirus-money-senate-bill-would-be-terrible-for-new-york-cuomo-says.html
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Post#798 » by Triples333 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:53 am

The Bill is going to pass.

Edit: Bill passed.
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Post#799 » by bwgood77 » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:55 am

HMFFL wrote:
LKN wrote:We have now passed 1,000 reported deaths due to COVID 19 in the US
And count.
I refreshed the screen and it says 1,027.
I wonder how long the deaths are accounted for once someone passes.

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That article above says a lot. Many don't get counted because they don't test people unless their treatment of symptoms would change....even if symptoms are bad. Many die without ever being tested. Some have test results that haven't come in yet when they die. And they say the official reports are very slow to update the ones that are reported.
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Post#800 » by Richfield » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:03 am

DowJones wrote:Per the latest update:

The Federal Government is shipping the following:
-9.4 million N95 masks
-20 million surgical masks
-3.1 million face shields
-2.6 million surgical gowns
-14.6 million gloves
-6,000 ventilators (4,000 of which went to NY)

That is a good update. We need to get those critical supplies out.


Today?

Last time I heard numbers this big it was with the qualifiers that its over a long stretch of time.

Basically not at the pace needed as of today.

You say "The Fed Gov't is shipping". You don't just mean ordered?

Your quote implies they have them already. Is this true?

Link? Source? Thanks.

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