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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1481 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:07 am

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AKfanatic wrote:Meanwhile, In Mississippi

Read on Twitter


The overwhelming confidence these guys have is incredible. The numbers dictate that Mississippi is going to lose 1000's if not 10's of thousands of people over the next 8 weeks. For these guys to sign off on this is really a once in a lifetime event. Normally politicians try to weasel their way out of making decisions on parking tickets. To publicly stick their neck out on the line over that many lives is inconceivable. I would love to interview this guy and get an honest answer if he really thinks:
- Its all made up or overblown
- The economic damage isn't worth thousands of lives


Honestly, it’s looking more and more like a cult by the day. These “leaders” seem more than happy to hand out the kool-aid to their constituents in an attempt to naïvely keep their narrative alive....
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Post#1482 » by Susan » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:07 am

AKfanatic wrote:Meanwhile, In Washington DC

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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1483 » by coldfish » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:12 am

AKfanatic wrote:
coldfish wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:Meanwhile, In Mississippi

Read on Twitter


The overwhelming confidence these guys have is incredible. The numbers dictate that Mississippi is going to lose 1000's if not 10's of thousands of people over the next 8 weeks. For these guys to sign off on this is really a once in a lifetime event. Normally politicians try to weasel their way out of making decisions on parking tickets. To publicly stick their neck out on the line over that many lives is inconceivable. I would love to interview this guy and get an honest answer if he really thinks:
- Its all made up or overblown
- The economic damage isn't worth thousands of lives


Honestly, it’s looking more and more like a cult by the day. These “leaders” seem more than happy to hand out the kool-aid to their constituents in an attempt to naïvely keep their narrative alive....


They realize its an election year so economics something, something, something.

That said, this is basic math. At the rate the death toll is going up, the US is going to be losing thousands of people every day. There is no coming back from that. The economy will be in tatters anyways and the democrats will win by such a huge landslide in November that the republicans won't be able to block anything. They will be staring at 90% top marginal rates.
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1484 » by TallDude » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:14 am

Like that Trump paycheck means something. Just a data with goes some where else Probably his friends? Bacically states live in loan https://www.usdebtclock.org/ and it goes worse. Basically it don`t really matter because almost every nation do same thing. But not as bad. Mostly u are doing fine. Not as fine as Nordic countries in Europe but better than Southern countries in Europe. Trump is just making it worst right now. He has no friends just enemys. Biggest market in the world is Europe and still countries shut down. They have more guts than Trump.
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Post#1485 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:20 am

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AKfanatic wrote:Meanwhile, In Washington DC

Read on Twitter


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It’s crazy how he seems to be the only one that repeatedly points out that cutting taxes for the rich, then crying about the deficit as an excuse to cut funds to programs help the most vulnerable of citizens has consistently been the GOP way.

At this point in time, with the crisis Americans face, the consequences of those program cuts and lack of a push to help “the little guy” in order to please lobbyists is showing its true depth of harm to the American public.
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Post#1486 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:22 am

It is funny that we’re expected to give credit to a guy, that is legally not allowed to run a charity because of how his family stole from it, for “donating” his presidential salary....
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1487 » by coldfish » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:30 am

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It’s crazy how he seems to be the only one that repeatedly points out that cutting taxes for the rich, then crying about the deficit as an excuse to cut funds to programs help the most vulnerable of citizens has consistently been the GOP way.

At this point in time, with the crisis Americans face, the consequences of those program cuts and lack of a push to help “the little guy” in order to please lobbyists is showing its true depth of harm to the American public.


In the distant past, the republican party could get away with this stuff by being competent and pragmatic. Sure, they had an ideology but they would compromise to make things work. Reagan raised the social security tax to save the fund, as an example. Eisenhower was pretty level headed.

I had thought that there was at least some nugget of that competence left. It sure appears that is not the case. Like, in the entire republican party there might be only a handful of rational politicians. The rest are just a bunch of faith based ideologues that think that the means justifies the ends.

Yes, I said that right. Its debatable if the ends justifies the means. That's an interesting philosophical debate. For ideologues, the means justifies the ends. Doing tax cuts or whatever is a justification in and of itself, regardless of results. In this case, economic maximization is the means, their ideology, and they don't care that the end result is mass casualties.
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Post#1488 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:35 am

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AKfanatic wrote:
coldfish wrote:
The overwhelming confidence these guys have is incredible. The numbers dictate that Mississippi is going to lose 1000's if not 10's of thousands of people over the next 8 weeks. For these guys to sign off on this is really a once in a lifetime event. Normally politicians try to weasel their way out of making decisions on parking tickets. To publicly stick their neck out on the line over that many lives is inconceivable. I would love to interview this guy and get an honest answer if he really thinks:
- Its all made up or overblown
- The economic damage isn't worth thousands of lives


Honestly, it’s looking more and more like a cult by the day. These “leaders” seem more than happy to hand out the kool-aid to their constituents in an attempt to naïvely keep their narrative alive....


They realize its an election year so economics something, something, something.

That said, this is basic math. At the rate the death toll is going up, the US is going to be losing thousands of people every day. There is no coming back from that. The economy will be in tatters anyways and the democrats will win by such a huge landslide in November that the republicans won't be able to block anything. They will be staring at 90% top marginal rates.


The Republican Party has long been aware that they can’t win votes beyond their base. They continue to push false narratives of voter fraud in attempts to cover active voter suppression efforts. they’ve all but given up on anything that goes against the narrative of their party line.

This time though... is absurd. They’re gambling with the lives of their base. It’s not the Dem voters that will decide to abandon the advice of actual experts and hold Coronavirus block parties. It’s those that they solely rely on to keep their positions that are the likeliest to put themselves in jeopardy.

The gamble is unfathomable. They’d risk lives, risk turning this outbreak into something of a horror movie just to “own the libz”....

Their gamble will likely turnout as you stated. They’ll lose in a blowout fashion that would make Jim Boylen blush and in turn may face a complete crumbling of their party
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1489 » by Susan » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:35 am

AKfanatic wrote:
Susan wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:Meanwhile, In Washington DC

Read on Twitter


My man!


It’s crazy how he seems to be the only one that repeatedly points out that cutting taxes for the rich, then crying about the deficit as an excuse to cut funds to programs help the most vulnerable of citizens has consistently been the GOP way.

At this point in time, with the crisis Americans face, the consequences of those program cuts and lack of a push to help “the little guy” in order to please lobbyists is showing its true depth of harm to the American public.


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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1490 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:39 am

coldfish wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:
coldfish wrote:
The overwhelming confidence these guys have is incredible. The numbers dictate that Mississippi is going to lose 1000's if not 10's of thousands of people over the next 8 weeks. For these guys to sign off on this is really a once in a lifetime event. Normally politicians try to weasel their way out of making decisions on parking tickets. To publicly stick their neck out on the line over that many lives is inconceivable. I would love to interview this guy and get an honest answer if he really thinks:
- Its all made up or overblown
- The economic damage isn't worth thousands of lives


Honestly, it’s looking more and more like a cult by the day. These “leaders” seem more than happy to hand out the kool-aid to their constituents in an attempt to naïvely keep their narrative alive....


They realize its an election year so economics something, something, something.

That said, this is basic math. At the rate the death toll is going up, the US is going to be losing thousands of people every day. There is no coming back from that. The economy will be in tatters anyways and the democrats will win by such a huge landslide in November that the republicans won't be able to block anything. They will be staring at 90% top marginal rates.


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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1491 » by Ccwatercraft » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:43 am

im still waiting to see some fine print on the bailout stuff so I'll hold back on being overly critical just yet but overall it certainly feels like it should have been more streamlined and targeted.

I will likely find fault with all 3 branches here for this.
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Post#1492 » by TallDude » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:45 am

US will be soon leader of this. Needs only couple days https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ So Trump is doing great job :crazy: I wish u best of luck :nonono:
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Re: Coronavirus 

Post#1493 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:46 am

The Trump administration, state officials and even individual hospital workers are now racing against each other to get the necessary masks, gloves and other safety equipment to fight coronavirus — a scramble that hospitals and doctors say has come too late and left them at risk. But according to a previously unrevealed White House playbook, the government should’ve begun a federal-wide effort to procure that personal protective equipment at least two months ago.

“Is there sufficient personal protective equipment for healthcare workers who are providing medical care?” the playbook instructs its readers, as one early decision that officials should address when facing a potential pandemic. “If YES: What are the triggers to signal exhaustion of supplies? Are additional supplies available? If NO: Should the Strategic National Stockpile release PPE to states?”

The strategies are among hundreds of tactics and key policy decisions laid out in a 69-page National Security Council playbook on fighting pandemics, which POLITICO is detailing for the first time. Other recommendations include that the government move swiftly to fully detect potential outbreaks, secure supplemental funding and consider invoking the Defense Production Act — all steps in which the Trump administration lagged behind the timeline laid out in the playbook.



More at link:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285
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Post#1494 » by musiqsoulchild » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:19 am

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dougthonus wrote:One personal story I have on poor testing is this:

Someone who works for me has a wife whom works in the hospital. She has a coworker whom was diagnosed with Corona Virus, but had no direct contact with the individual (though they share the same space/work area). So my friend was feverish / showing symptoms, called his doctor, and the doctor said he was not eligible for a test. His whole family was sick the last week including his wife.

Now maybe he had it and maybe he didn't, but there's a pretty direct link to him and someone whom was diagnosed, and he couldn't get tested while showing symptoms. He was already self quarantining anyway when he got sick, so there was no change to his behavior due to it, but I thought that was crazy.

No idea for sure if this makes a difference but I've been reading how Evanston Hospital developed their own test which gets results in hours. They're doing hundreds a day I guess. Maybe some other clinical systems are relying on state labs and their criteria?


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Post#1495 » by dice » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:26 am

coldfish wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:
It’s crazy how he seems to be the only one that repeatedly points out that cutting taxes for the rich, then crying about the deficit as an excuse to cut funds to programs help the most vulnerable of citizens has consistently been the GOP way.

At this point in time, with the crisis Americans face, the consequences of those program cuts and lack of a push to help “the little guy” in order to please lobbyists is showing its true depth of harm to the American public.


In the distant past, the republican party could get away with this stuff by being competent and pragmatic. Sure, they had an ideology but they would compromise to make things work. Reagan raised the social security tax to save the fund, as an example.

the democrats had a vice grip on the house of reps when reagan was in office. THEY agreed to a reduction of the top marginal tax rate from 70% to 50% early in his first term...in part because reagan's budget director generated bogus revenue forecasts. the 1983 social security hike was a fraud designed not to keep social security solvent (it was projected to be solvent for a quarter century, plus reagan hated the concept of social security), but rather to pay the bills in other areas of government that could no longer be covered because of the previous tax cuts. because it would have looked bad to admit that the income tax cuts had not had their desired effects. and so...

reagan advisor alan greenspan convinced congress to support the payroll tax hike. but instead of investing the new money in treasury bonds, it went directly into the general fund, where it was all spent. subsequent administrations handled it the same way. as projected, social security became insolvent, running its last surplus in 2009, at which point we started borrowing money from china to pay out benefits

...in the entire republican party there might be only a handful of rational politicians. The rest are just a bunch of faith based ideologues that think that the means justifies the ends.

Yes, I said that right. Its debatable if the ends justifies the means. That's an interesting philosophical debate. For ideologues, the means justifies the ends. Doing tax cuts or whatever is a justification in and of itself, regardless of results. In this case, economic maximization is the means, their ideology, and they don't care that the end result is mass casualties.

they know what the results of tax cuts for the wealthy is: increased federal debt. the fantasy that decreased taxes will not decrease revenue much or even RAISE revenue due to increased economic activity...we now have decades of evidence that that is a bunch of hogwash (reagan found out the hard way pretty much immediately). now they slash taxes, which creates debt issues, which they then point to and say we have to cut spending on welfare programs
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Post#1496 » by AkelaLoneWolf » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:35 am

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This is going to get really ugly

essential personnel should be getting tested instead of being quarantined. if positive, then isolate. if not then keep working.
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Post#1497 » by whonka » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:39 am

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-will-coronavirus-end/608719/

One of the best non-medical articles I’ve see on how this may play out.
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Post#1498 » by AKfanatic » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:41 am

Meanwhile, in Florida

The hardline Trump supporting governor is beginning the all to predictable blame NY game...

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Not only did he leave the beaches open... but HHS with input from his office allowed a cruise ship carrying nearly 4000 passengers and crew to depart, after being informed by Canada that one of their passengers that had previously departed had tested positive for the virus, in Florida.....
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Post#1499 » by dice » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:52 am

AKfanatic wrote:
coldfish wrote:
AKfanatic wrote:
Honestly, it’s looking more and more like a cult by the day. These “leaders” seem more than happy to hand out the kool-aid to their constituents in an attempt to naïvely keep their narrative alive....


They realize its an election year so economics something, something, something.

That said, this is basic math. At the rate the death toll is going up, the US is going to be losing thousands of people every day. There is no coming back from that. The economy will be in tatters anyways and the democrats will win by such a huge landslide in November that the republicans won't be able to block anything. They will be staring at 90% top marginal rates.


The Republican Party has long been aware that they can’t win votes beyond their base. They continue to push false narratives of voter fraud in attempts to cover active voter suppression efforts. they’ve all but given up on anything that goes against the narrative of their party line.

This time though... is absurd. They’re gambling with the lives of their base. It’s not the Dem voters that will decide to abandon the advice of actual experts and hold Coronavirus block parties. It’s those that they solely rely on to keep their positions that are the likeliest to put themselves in jeopardy.

The gamble is unfathomable. They’d risk lives, risk turning this outbreak into something of a horror movie just to “own the libz”....

Their gamble will likely turnout as you stated. They’ll lose in a blowout fashion that would make Jim Boylen blush and in turn may face a complete crumbling of their party

don't count on it. teflon don is still considered the favorite:

https://electionbettingodds.com/President2020.html#chart

march polling averages for swing states trump won in 2016:

biden +4 in AZ (trump won by 3) - 11 electoral votes
biden +2 in MI (trump by a nose) - 16 electoral
biden +2 in PA (trump by 1) - 20 electoral
biden +2 in WI (trump by 1) - 10 electoral
trump +1 in FL (trump by 1) - 29 electoral

dems need to pick up 39 electoral votes and FL is gonna be real tough unless things stay bad for a long time. so PA is virtually essential, particularly given that biden has a personal connection to the state, and 2 of the other 3 are needed as well
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Post#1500 » by Dresden » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:54 am

AKfanatic wrote:
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Isn't that the truth! When it comes to big business, they get bailouts because they're "too big to fail", or too important to the economy. But the working class- they can be replaced. we'll just move factories elsewhere.

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