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Post#1541 » by Mags FTW » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:25 pm

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Mags FTW wrote:What do you guys think of the speculation that there will be a higher demand for single family housing as people shy away from high rise downtown condos and apartments?


Seems too early to say. I don't think many people in their 20's will consider that. I think I'm just as separated from people living in an apartment as I would be in a house.

Even if I concede that point (which I don't), you probably share some ventilation or duct work. You touch the same trash room door as everyone on your floor. You touch the same lobby doors and elevator buttons as everyone in the building...

You're no doubt at greater risk of getting sick than if you lived in a SFH.
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Post#1542 » by Mags FTW » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:29 pm

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Mags FTW wrote:What do you guys think of the speculation that there will be a higher demand for single family housing as people shy away from high rise downtown condos and apartments?


Seems too early to say. I don't think many people in their 20's will consider that. I think I'm just as separated from people living in an apartment as I would be in a house.

tbh, when I first read Mags' post, I initially thought the idea was to move out from an expensive downtown condo/apartment to a cheaper single family house outside cities.

Yes, but not even necessarily outside the city. Like someone living in a 10-story off of 1st/KK in Walker's Point/Bay View, moving a couple of blocks to the east or west and buying a house.
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Post#1543 » by Stannis » Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:35 pm

You guys think it's late to buy Sysco or LAM Research?

You think they'll drop like that again?
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Post#1544 » by HaroldinGMinor » Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:12 am

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Mags FTW wrote:What do you guys think of the speculation that there will be a higher demand for single family housing as people shy away from high rise downtown condos and apartments?


Seems too early to say. I don't think many people in their 20's will consider that. I think I'm just as separated from people living in an apartment as I would be in a house.

Even if I concede that point (which I don't), you probably share some ventilation or duct work. You touch the same trash room door as everyone on your floor. You touch the same lobby doors and elevator buttons as everyone in the building...

You're no doubt at greater risk of getting sick than if you lived in a SFH.


OK fine, I come into contact with other humans like 4 extra times a day versus someone in a house who goes to an office for a job. Unless you are moving to a house and never leaving you're still at roughly the same risk as I am. Now if you want to say that mass transit increases my risk sure then go ahead. But just living arrangements then no.

Regardless, I don't think enough people will be scared enough to move the needle.
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Post#1545 » by MickeyDavis » Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:04 am

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Stannis wrote:You guys think it's late to buy Sysco or LAM Research?

You think they'll drop like that again?

No one knows. Lots of "experts" predict highs and lows. Market timers are always trumpeting when they're right and ignoring when they're wrong (which is most of the time).

Just do fundamental research and if you think it's a good price go ahead and buy. Sure it might dip before it goes up. But you'll never know for sure when it's the bottom on a particular stock(s).
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Post#1546 » by BuckFan25226 » Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:04 pm

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Stannis wrote:You guys think it's late to buy Sysco or LAM Research?

You think they'll drop like that again?

No one knows. Lots of "experts" predict highs and lows. Market timers are always trumpeting when they're right and ignoring when they're wrong (which is most of the time).

Just do fundamental research and if you think it's a good price go ahead and buy. Sure it might dip before it goes up. But you'll never know for sure when it's the bottom on a particular stock(s).



Yup. I actually regret not buying like crazy on Monday. Although I truly felt it was going to go down a bit more. Then 3 days of rally. I am going to see how things play out today, if some stocks I've been watching dip hard today, I will be buying. At the end of the day, even with the rally this week, there is a ton of value out there.
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Post#1547 » by sidney lanier » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:25 pm

Funny article in today's New York Times about how us investors get tested in times like these. It's behind a paywall so I'll cut in an extended excerpt.

I Became a Disciplined Investor Over 40 Years. The Virus Broke Me In 40 Days.
I’ve survived — and even prospered through — four stock-market crashes. But nothing prepared me for this.

It’s Thursday morning, March 19 — four weeks into the coronavirus crash of 2020. The Dow Jones industrial average has opened down another 700 points, after plunging below 20,000 a day before. It’s down 30 percent in a month, the steepest drop ever, even worse than during the Great Depression.

The fall has been nauseating. Yet I know this is a time to be buying stocks based on rules I’ve developed over decades of investing. But in order to do that, I have to log on to my brokerage account. When I do, the first number I’ll see is the current market value of my portfolio.

Isolated at a farmhouse in rural New York, surrounded by wilderness, I haven’t looked in days. I don’t want to look now.

I decide I’d better check the weather forecast instead. And then there’s email to catch up on. An hour later, I’ve done nothing.
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Over the first weekend in March, headlines were all about the explosive spread of the virus in Italy. Photos of deserted piazzas drove home the gravity of the situation. What had seemed a distant threat now seemed close to home.

If that weren’t bad enough, Russia and Saudi Arabia decided to launch an oil price war just as demand was collapsing. Oil prices plummeted, dragging down the entire energy sector.

I expected it would be a bad Monday in the markets, but it was even worse. Circuit breakers kicked in to halt chaotic trading. The S&P closed down that day by 7 percent, the biggest drop since Black Monday in 1987.

I summoned the nerve to look at my brokerage account. I was shocked: The stock portion was down far more than the broad U.S. market averages. My international stock index fund was down 20 percent from its February peak, and the emerging markets fund had lost a quarter of its value.

I thought back to my experience 33 years earlier, when I’d panicked at the headlines in Strasbourg. I tried to remind myself that short-term volatility aside, the long-term trajectory of the market has always been up. When the market goes down, it’s time to think about buying more stocks — a time that came much sooner than I’d hoped or expected.

On Thursday, March 12, after President Trump banned most air travel between the United States and continental Europe, and after economies around the world started shutting down, the carnage in the stock market was even worse than Monday. The S&P dropped 10 percent, leaving it 27 percent below its peak a few weeks earlier.
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Having skipped the 20 percent buying “opportunity,” I knew it was time to step up. But I wasn’t going to do it on a day the markets had been in free fall. And in any event, I was back to avoiding my brokerage’s website.

The next day the stock market jumped higher. I felt a strong temptation to buy, gripped by the notion that the worst might be over. I worried I was missing the bottom by again failing to act on my strategy. But the 30 percent window had closed, and I reminded myself that my rule is never to buy on an up day.

The next day brought what seemed like good news: New infections in China had dropped to zero. Even so, that morning markets sank, again triggering my 30 percent buying target. This time I was determined to act.

And yet I dawdled. I checked the news, the weather, my emails. I told myself this was absurd. Whether I looked or not, my portfolio value was what it was.

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If you're an equities investor, these are the times that try men's balls. I have a very risk-averse friend who I've been mocking for his lack of courage, and he's been countering that if I'm such a man I should be buying train wreck stocks like Pakistan International Airlines.

Not going there, but don't those oil stocks look cheap? :)
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Re: OT: Investing - Stocks/Mutual Funds/Bonds/Crypto 

Post#1548 » by paulpressey25 » Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:30 pm

A couple thoughts:

There are a ton of financial services people who only make money if you buy stocks. And a ton more who don't charge commissions but instead get paid a percentage fee of the value of your portfolio each quarter (which may end up costing more than commissions would). Those folks absolutely need to cheerlead the market, their livelihood depends on it. Personally, I always take this stuff with a grain of salt.

Additionally, the market right now is (was) reacting favorably to a giant bucket of Fed money dropped on it in recent days and now the CARES act. There will come a point where people will come to understand this event is going to have major ripples in historical business models. Those ripples will surface in the weeks and months ahead. Some winners, some losers. Hard to make a call right now.

All that said, still believe that in the long run, the market will perform. People trying to trade their 401k's in this type of market many times get crushed.
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Post#1549 » by Iheartfootball » Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:49 pm

This is a time I'm just hunkered down, riding out the storm. I'm waiting and praying for the sun to come out, and it will. Just don't know when.
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Post#1550 » by LittleRooster » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:19 am

For someone who doesn’t own any stocks, like myself, and where disposable income isn’t too high, would it make any sense to buy some shares in some of the stocks mentioned above? US Foods, Sysco etc.

And what amount of shares should I be looking to buy? I suppose that’s a subjective question. Maybe what I’m really asking is is buying a small amount of shares (say $500 or less) even worth it?

I just have a 401k and Roth IRA and wouldn’t mind trying my hands at stocks, if it made any sense.


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Post#1551 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:27 am

LittleRooster wrote:For someone who doesn’t own any stocks, like myself, and where disposable income isn’t too high, would it make any sense to buy some shares in some of the stocks mentioned above? US Foods, Sysco etc.

And what amount of shares should I be looking to buy? I suppose that’s a subjective question. Maybe what I’m really asking is is buying a small amount of shares (say $500 or less) even worth it?

I just have a 401k and Roth IRA and wouldn’t mind trying my hands at stocks, if it made any sense.
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Do you max the 401k and Roth with index funds? If no, then the answer to your question is no.
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Post#1552 » by Profound23 » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:34 am

Wrong thread
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Post#1553 » by LittleRooster » Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:40 am

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LittleRooster wrote:For someone who doesn’t own any stocks, like myself, and where disposable income isn’t too high, would it make any sense to buy some shares in some of the stocks mentioned above? US Foods, Sysco etc.

And what amount of shares should I be looking to buy? I suppose that’s a subjective question. Maybe what I’m really asking is is buying a small amount of shares (say $500 or less) even worth it?

I just have a 401k and Roth IRA and wouldn’t mind trying my hands at stocks, if it made any sense.
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Do you max the 401k and Roth with index funds? If no, then the answer to your question is no.

No. I’m so naive and intimidated when it comes to this, so I apologize if these questions are dumb.

I do the max I can at work, which is 5% but I know the max is 19,000. I couldn’t do that financially anyways, but could I even if work maxes me at 5%, if that makes sense?

And, as a follow up, should I change the stocks these retirement funds are invested in into one of the index funds? If so, which ones?


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Post#1554 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:03 am

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MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
LittleRooster wrote:For someone who doesn’t own any stocks, like myself, and where disposable income isn’t too high, would it make any sense to buy some shares in some of the stocks mentioned above? US Foods, Sysco etc.

And what amount of shares should I be looking to buy? I suppose that’s a subjective question. Maybe what I’m really asking is is buying a small amount of shares (say $500 or less) even worth it?

I just have a 401k and Roth IRA and wouldn’t mind trying my hands at stocks, if it made any sense.
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Do you max the 401k and Roth with index funds? If no, then the answer to your question is no.

No. I’m so naive and intimidated when it comes to this, so I apologize if these questions are dumb.

I do the max I can at work, which is 5% but I know the max is 19,000. I couldn’t do that financially anyways, but could I even if work maxes me at 5%, if that makes sense?

And, as a follow up, should I change the stocks these retirement funds are invested in into one of the index funds? If so, which ones?
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The company max is probably the max they match, which is a great start because that's a free 100%. You can put in more to 19k which is tax advantage so you save that on your taxes.

Do you know who the 401k is with? You should be able to look up fees. If it's vanguard, they do a good job saying the expense ratio of your funds. IMO it's better to do low cost index funds other wise you are betting on people picking stocks for you or you are picking individual stocks which is a gamble.

ETA: if you want to put in $500 into Robin hood for some fun and stock picking, go for it. Do it and be realistic. It can be relatively cheap fun and can learn alot. But Don't confuse it as a real investment or a retirement alternative. If you want the best return, it is through tax advantage accounts with index funds.
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Post#1555 » by M-C-G » Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:21 am

I’m thinking I will start looking into airlines soon and see if there is a price point that makes sense. I have to think they have plummeted


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Post#1556 » by LittleRooster » Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:45 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
LittleRooster wrote:
MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Do you max the 401k and Roth with index funds? If no, then the answer to your question is no.

No. I’m so naive and intimidated when it comes to this, so I apologize if these questions are dumb.

I do the max I can at work, which is 5% but I know the max is 19,000. I couldn’t do that financially anyways, but could I even if work maxes me at 5%, if that makes sense?

And, as a follow up, should I change the stocks these retirement funds are invested in into one of the index funds? If so, which ones?
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The company max is probably the max they match, which is a great start because that's a free 100%. You can put in more to 19k which is tax advantage so you save that on your taxes.

Do you know who the 401k is with? You should be able to look up fees. If it's vanguard, they do a good job saying the expense ratio of your funds. IMO it's better to do low cost index funds other wise you are betting on people picking stocks for you or you are picking individual stocks which is a gamble.

ETA: if you want to put in $500 into Robin hood for some fun and stock picking, go for it. Do it and be realistic. It can be relatively cheap fun and can learn alot. But Don't confuse it as a real investment or a retirement alternative. If you want the best return, it is through tax advantage accounts with index funds.


The max I can contribute through them is 5% and they match 4% of that.

It's through Transamerica. I looked into what stocks my 401k is in and it's listed as: "T Rowe Price Retirement Blend 2050 Trust A" under the heading of Multi-Asset/Other.

There are numerous other headings like Short Bonds/Stable Mmrkt, Interm./Long-term Bonds, Large Cap Stocks, Small/Mid-Cap stocks, and International Stocks.

As well as numerous investment options including some from Vanguard like: Vanguard Total Bond Market Index Adm, Vanguard Total Bond Market Index Adm, Vanguard Total Stock Mkt Idx Adm, Vanguard Mid Cap Index Adm, Vanguard Small Cap Index Adm, Vanguard Total Intl Stock Index Admiral.

I have no idea if any of the above information is helpful :D or if any of the above is a low cost index fund to choose from lol
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Post#1557 » by sidney lanier » Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:10 pm

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Looks like a bears-bulls standoff this morning as the market tries to process the prospect of a longer shutdown, NYC tragedy, and the effect of a relief package 1/10th the size of GDP (or at least what GDP used to be).

Until there's a simple, reliable, finger-stick antibody test for coronavirus I think things will just drift. Once reliable data about the extent to which the virus has touched the general population exists, the market will be able to express a strong opinion about when companies will return to profitability.
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Post#1558 » by jschligs » Wed Apr 1, 2020 4:42 pm

The drop finally happened. I had a few puts out there for April and May on Ford and SPY that are paying off huge right now. My long term holds are down, but I'm not worried about those for that reason, they're long.
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Post#1559 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Apr 1, 2020 5:05 pm

Stannis wrote:You guys think it's late to buy Sysco or LAM Research?

You think they'll drop like that again?

When you posted this it looked like both were on the rebound. Since then Sysco is down 24% and LAM is down 13%. Another case in point that you never know when a stock is at a bottom.
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Post#1560 » by Stannis » Wed Apr 1, 2020 6:18 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:
Stannis wrote:You guys think it's late to buy Sysco or LAM Research?

You think they'll drop like that again?

When you posted this it looked like both were on the rebound. Since then Sysco is down 24% and LAM is down 13%. Another case in point that you never know when a stock is at a bottom.

haha yep. I noticed this on my watch list.

I added some Sysco.
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