Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[Topofthekey]

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Uhm, this piqued my interest, so I looked into it

The article clearly explained the reason behind the up to 5 hours wait:

1) the family members who were trying to claim the ashes of their loved ones showed randomly without making appointments

2) the crematorium is facing a severe shortage of workers

3) due to both reasons above, it took a long time for the workers to locate ashes

Hence the up to five hours wait for some of them

Of course, the tweet does not mention any of this

The person tweeting seemingly prefers to instead use the up to five hours wait as "evidence" that "evil China" is lying about its numbers


The second tweet is even worse?

It does not provide any sources for any of its claims, and it looks as if the person pulled her numbers from some YouTuber?

[LKN]

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Uhm, this piqued my interest, so I looked into it

The article clearly explained the reason behind the up to 5 hours wait:

1) the family members who were trying to claim the ashes of their loved ones showed randomly without making appointments

2) the crematorium is facing a severe shortage of workers

3) due to both reasons above, it took a long time for the workers to locate ashes

Hence the up to five hours wait for some of them

Of course, the tweet does not mention any of this

The person tweeting seemingly prefers to instead use the up to five hours wait as "evidence" that "evil China" is lying about its numbers

So I think China is lying... but yeah - people push these stories too much without thinking about them

[Pharmcat]

Hope everyone staying safe. Harvard epidemiologist saying plasma transfusion has success in curing Covid-19. Going to trial phase.

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It doesn't "cure" it... but it can help patients fight it.

It's actually a really old technique from the days before vaccines. The science is pretty sound - basically giving you anti-bodies from someone else who recovered

Yes I believe it makes sense on how it works....but is this something that is scalable across the country ?

[Topofthekey]

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Uhm, this piqued my interest, so I looked into it

The article clearly explained the reason behind the up to 5 hours wait:

1) the family members who were trying to claim the ashes of their loved ones showed randomly without making appointments

2) the crematorium is facing a severe shortage of workers

3) due to both reasons above, it took a long time for the workers to locate ashes

Hence the up to five hours wait for some of them

Of course, the tweet does not mention any of this

The person tweeting seemingly prefers to instead use the up to five hours wait as "evidence" that "evil China" is lying about its numbers

So I think China is lying... but yeah - people push these stories too much without thinking about them

Same

I have no doubt that the CCP wouldn't even bat an eyelid if they wanted to lie

But if anyone wants to make any accusations, I'd like to see some verifiable sources backing those accusations up, instead of just pushing the "they are evil commies of course they are lying" line

[Swish1906]

Close the **** parks, people are too stupid to be relied on to do the right thing.

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Better get some Indian police over for some ass whopping before.

[NirvanaFC]

Close the **** parks, people are too stupid to be relied on to do the right thing.

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Wtf is the reason of keeping these parks open?

[Dirk]

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CDC's grand plan:
We have mask shortage, what do we do?
Oh, lie to the public, tell them it's not "effective", "only wear it when you are sick", "it can even harm you". We can redirect the mask traffic
****, situation is getting worse now, still having mask shortage
So let's tell them masks are helpful.

It is a global recommendation. WHO CDC Other health organizations.

They both say a) "this is serious", "you may not have symptoms!!! and be spreading the virus"

And at the same time... b) "Only wear a mask if you have symptoms and/or tested positive"; "False sense of security" "Won't respect social distancing".

The biggest risk?

People lose trust in them. If they treat people like idiots... they won't be taken seriously.

[chrismikayla]

And our idiot Surgeon General and CDC said not to. Everyone should wear masks in public. South Korea did it right.

Yeah I laughed at the absurdity of saying the masks won't help. If they didn't the healthcare workers wouldn't need them. In fairness I think they said that to help alleviate the shortage of masks. They should have just said don't buy them and why directly. Such a bad precedent.

Even regular masks (not n95) will help some. I mean let's say it only makes someone 5% less contagious.... it not's like wearing a mask hurts in any way so you might as well do it

There was a study that showed surgical masks were not much less effective than respirators. I have some construction dust masks that I use. Problem now is almost all ebay sellers are undercover Chinese with a 6 week delivery time lol.

[Dirk]

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Uhm, this piqued my interest, so I looked into it

The article clearly explained the reason behind the up to 5 hours wait:

1) the family members who were trying to claim the ashes of their loved ones showed randomly without making appointments

2) the crematorium is facing a severe shortage of workers

3) due to both reasons above, it took a long time for the workers to locate ashes

Hence the up to five hours wait for some of them

Of course, the tweet does not mention any of this

The person tweeting seemingly prefers to instead use the up to five hours wait as "evidence" that "evil China" is lying about its numbers

So I think China is lying... but yeah - people push these stories too much without thinking about them

This is why these China discussions aren't fruitful. A total waste of time to be speculating about China.

Suggestion: don't speculate about China's numbers. Don't post tweets about it. It just invites derailing discussions. And any survivor from Morey/China topics, knows that it attracts a subset of users that we can do without in this topic.

Look at South Korea's numbers. Italy. Spain. And with regards to China, just take everything with a grain of salt and hope pangolins are alive and well over there.

[Swish1906]

And about the selfmade cotton masks: Yeah, they arent really a protection for you not getting the virus, but they help a lot with you not spreading it if you have the virus.

And im pretty sure wearing a mask in public or at your job becomes mandatory soon. Specially when countries trying to lift some restrictions. Minimum requirement wearing a cotton mask and also fines when the police caught you without one.

At least 10-20% of the population are ignorant idiots (like the virus showed around the world), so you have to make the rules around the behaviour of these idiots.

[Gomagic44]

I had the flu 6 months ago and got over it in 1.5 days.

I'm just happy today is the first day I feel I've turned the corner this week on whatever I have. I think it's covid but the labs are so overworked right now my test from Tuesday hasn't even given me flu/influenza results yet. But I started feeling off last Friday so it was a full 7 days of a mixture of miserable and just wholly uncomfortable.

Dry cough, muscle pain, coughing fits for an hour after I woke up with 102.5 fevers ranged 38.2-39.2 for my Celsius Bros. Fever dreams. Feeling like a woman in menapause (hot cold hot cold). It got bad enough at times I had to focus
on breathing to get a 3 count in and a 2 count out before I coughed.

I'm in central Florida and I live in a neighborhood with 90% age 65+. It's gonna be bad imho. I'm 33 and this is the most sick I've been in my adult life. It just gives you hope in the day and decends...like a bat? At night.

Stay safe and stay isolated y'all. You don't want none of this. Fortunately my wife and 5 month old did not catch it. I spent all week in a different room using different shower and different cups utensils and all. It's rough



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It sucks not getting your results yet but helpful IMO to know you are much more likely to have the regular flu.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/bs-md-coronavirus-saturday-20200328-7w4jhwjwyrbb5onr4g5uuqvwe4-story.html
Maryland nears 1,000 confirmed cases of coronavirus; 11,516 negative tests.

I've read that people being tested are negative for Covid-19 94-98% of the time. Of course, that isn't helpful if you have it. I hope get better soon and your family is safe.

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[LKN]

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[Dirk]

Ugh - yesterday NY reported 7,285 new infections and 140 new deaths for the entire day. Today we already have 6,056 infections and 122 new deaths and it's not even 1 PM eastern. Just awful

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New York coronavirus cases March 28

7683 new confirmed cases vs 7377 yesterday
17.2% rise in cases today vs 19.8% yesterday
Tests yesterday 17,412
Hit rate yesterday 44% vs total case hit rate 33% in New York
728 deaths total vs 519 yesterday (209 deaths yesterday vs +134 a day earlier)
ICU admissions yesterday 172 vs 374 a day earlier
Total in ICU 1755 vs 1583 yesterday
7328 hospitalized
681 people discharged yesterday to 2726 total

Two in every three that enter ICU seem to die. Maybe more but those numbers may take weeks to show.

This is from the Spanish Minister

age group | confirmed | hospitalized (number / %) | ICU(UCI) | Deaths (number; %; rate)

[LKN]

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[LKN]

WTF is going on! How did they even find this many incompetent people?

Considering that one of the big unknowns is how many people are asymptomatic spreaders it seems like mask use is a no brainer

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[zimpy27]

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New York coronavirus cases March 28

7683 new confirmed cases vs 7377 yesterday
17.2% rise in cases today vs 19.8% yesterday
Tests yesterday 17,412
Hit rate yesterday 44% vs total case hit rate 33% in New York
728 deaths total vs 519 yesterday (209 deaths yesterday vs +134 a day earlier)
ICU admissions yesterday 172 vs 374 a day earlier
Total in ICU 1755 vs 1583 yesterday
7328 hospitalized
681 people discharged yesterday to 2726 total

Two in every three that enter ICU seem to die. Maybe more but those numbers may take weeks to show.

This is from the Spanish Minister

age group | confirmed | hospitalized (number / %) | ICU(UCI) | Deaths (number; %; rate)

Seems like they rarely put those aged over 80 in the ICU.

[zimpy27]

WTF is going on! How did they even find this many incompetent people?

Considering that one of the big unknowns is how many people are asymptomatic spreaders it seems like mask use is a no brainer

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I could tell you many stories of the incompetence of the CDC. This has been a problem for decades. I think they probably know what should be done but are being told to send messages they don't believe in for another reason (lack of resources), it's the only explanation.

[LKN]

WTF is going on! How did they even find this many incompetent people?

Considering that one of the big unknowns is how many people are asymptomatic spreaders it seems like mask use is a no brainer

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I could tell you many stories of the incompetence of the CDC. This has been a problem for decades. I think they probably know what should be done but are being told to send messages they don't believe in for another reason (lack of resources), it's the only explanation.

To be fair, I'm sure like often happens the competent folks are hamstrung by lack of funding and meddling political appointees

[MrGrim]

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Terrifying. Urban areas like NYC are the canary in the coal mine because of physical geography; people live close together and need to use public spaces such as transit more in their daily lives compared to less urban areas. Thus, the disease spread quicker there.

In less heavily urban regions of the country, such as the South, events such as weekly church services, as well as weddings and funerals, are probably the most frequent large public gatherings now that movies, sports, and plays are shut down. With public officials in those areas slow to move to more restrictive shelter-place-orders, it may already be too late to avert catastrophe. And, those areas don't have healthcare systems that are nearly as developed, or media and economic influence nearly as large to summon extra help, as NYC.

God help them if everyone decides to head out for Easter Sunday.

[Gomagic44]

It is the end game of "small government" types. Make the agency so poor and small you could drown it in a bath tub. I'm kind of amazed that a high caliper guy like Fauci stayed through that.

WTF is going on! How did they even find this many incompetent people?

Considering that one of the big unknowns is how many people are asymptomatic spreaders it seems like mask use is a no brainer

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I could tell you many stories of the incompetence of the CDC. This has been a problem for decades. I think they probably know what should be done but are being told to send messages they don't believe in for another reason (lack of resources), it's the only explanation.

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