Packers 2020 Offseason Thread - Packers Talking Extension with Aaron Jones

[Reddeye]

If you could trade Jones for a first would you draft Taylor ?

I think Jones is a better fit for the offense, but I would do this because Taylor would be under contract for I believe 5 years being a first rounder.

If I did get a first round pick for Jones I would draft a different position and take a rb later.

[M-C-G]

If you could trade Jones for a first would you draft Taylor ?

Tough question...errrr, probably, maybe...errrr I don't know

[M-C-G]

My top 4 RBs go;

Dandre Swift
J Taylor
JK Dobbins
Zack Moss

Then 5th looks like

5a Cam Akers
5b Eno Benjamin
5c CEH - LSU kid
5d AJ Dillon

There’s a huge gap after Moss and although the guys ranked 5th all have different qualities and skill sets, overall they’re interchangeable depending on what you’re looking for. Akers is just as good at being shifty as Dillon is at running ppl over etc.

I know you love Moss, so you will probably block me for this, but I don't think he has the NFL athleticism to be a 3 down back, like not even close. NOW, before you pop your lid, I don't watch hardly any college football these days, and this is just my observations around what other people think, and looking at scouting reports and combine, etc.

That said, AJ Dillon is a SPARQ score guy, which is the same as Aaron Jones, even though completely different, they both shine there. I could see us taking Dillon.

With that said, Clyde EdwardsH, is a guy that is going to have a James White floor. The wrong situation, maybe he does nothing, the right situation, he is an incredibly valuable utility back with upside.

[Frank Nova]

My top 4 RBs go;

Dandre Swift
J Taylor
JK Dobbins
Zack Moss

Then 5th looks like

5a Cam Akers
5b Eno Benjamin
5c CEH - LSU kid
5d AJ Dillon

There’s a huge gap after Moss and although the guys ranked 5th all have different qualities and skill sets, overall they’re interchangeable depending on what you’re looking for. Akers is just as good at being shifty as Dillon is at running ppl over etc.

I know you love Moss, so you will probably block me for this, but I don't think he has the NFL athleticism to be a 3 down back, like not even close. NOW, before you pop your lid, I don't watch hardly any college football these days, and this is just my observations around what other people think, and looking at scouting reports and combine, etc.

That said, AJ Dillon is a SPARQ score guy, which is the same as Aaron Jones, even though completely different, they both shine there. I could see us taking Dillon.

With that said, Clyde EdwardsH, is a guy that is going to have a James White floor. The wrong situation, maybe he does nothing, the right situation, he is an incredibly valuable utility back with upside.

When you say athleticism I immediately think of lateral quickness and elusive and if you watch Moss run, for a guy built like a tank he’s very athletic in that regards. Maybe you disagree and I’m missing your view on athleticism but if we are comparing basketball athletics to football then that’s the only way I can see your argument. As far as “athletic” for a RB I think Moss has 1 of the best foundations to build on. Is he CM or Alvin Kamara? Of course not. But do you have to compare to RBs like that to be an every down guy? I don’t think so personally.

But hey bro, I don’t block anyone especially ppl I enjoy their views.

As for Dillon I could see MLF liking him to Derrick Henry. Similar builds and run styles, both won’t catch anything but both can hit home runs and punish a front 7 over 4 quarters. I’m a fan.

CEH is definitely intriguing but a James White floor? That’s high expectations for someone that in the wrong situation could be nothing. Seems like a much lower floor than a actual somebody like White. Maybe a James White ceiling? In which case, I have quite a few ranked ahead of him. Players I see as anything comparable to James White means to me there’s zero chance I’d want them on the field no matter what as long as they weren’t fatigued or injured. I don’t see that with Clyde.... I like him, think he has potential like you said but not to your extent.

I’m probably where you are with Moss, with Clyde.

[M-C-G]

James White being drafted by Cincinnati and latching on to Miami is out of the league years ago, hence my point. In NE he excels and has a nice career.

And again with Moss, I am basing this 100% on combine. I just don’t make the time to watch college football any longer and acknowledge that is a major gap in my feelings about players.

Based on what I have read, combine numbers and what I have seen, Moss is like a slower Chris Carson, maybe?

But again, I know I haven’t watched him much, I am just not seeing it with him.


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[M-C-G]

And for whatever it is worth, if I was the GM this is the one time I would overate a Badger and probably take Taylor in the first even though the 100 mocks I have done I am much happier waiting on RB until later in the draft. So what do I know? Not much


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[neiLz]

If you could trade Jones for a first would you draft Taylor ?

I always thought that most great badger running backs were a product of a behemoth oline which opeaned up huge holes.Packers to have close to a oline like that so im not sure i would do that i think jones fits the packers O very well

If you can trade Jones for a first you have to do it, although nobody is giving a first for him....not just in the hopes of landing Taylor...that's just a smart business decision.

would trade jones for a 2nd in top half of the second in a heart beat. He's a great fit but is going to get paid so a 2nd would be awesome.

[Daver]

So i dont misunderstand. The majority on this board feels that no matter how good the RB is wether its jones or someone better like elliot or gorrdan or that RB formally from pitts now on the jets you all think any one of them if they were on the packers you wouldnt reup cause of cost and just keep drafting rookies after 4 years or is it just jones alot of you would trade or let walk

[WRau1]

I personally wouldn't pay pretty much any RB. So many other positions you need to invest in while RBs can come in from anywhere (drafted, undrafted, journeyman, etc...) day 1 and have big time success.

[Wisky4life]

I know you don't pay running backs but Jones is a guy we have needed for a long time. 2-3 year deal and then move on is fine for me.

[sdn40]

I know you don't pay running backs but Jones is a guy we have needed for a long time. 2-3 year deal and then move on is fine for me.

No player / agent is gonna go for anything other than a 4 year deal on a second contract at that position

[Treebeard]

I know you don't pay running backs but Jones is a guy we have needed for a long time. 2-3 year deal and then move on is fine for me.

There's the dilemma and I don't have a crystal ball to view the future. Jones has been one of those essential pieces that's been missing for several years. However, current history shows giving a big payout on 2nd contracts to running backs hasn't been a good bet. Those guys, especially the really good ones, take a hell of a beating and the mileage adds up fast. For them(most of them), even a marginal decline in acceleration makes the difference between elite and pedestrian.

By comparison, which is the bigger concern from GM's for Jonathan Taylor: the heavy workload history(even without an injury history), or the fumbles(factoring in that he's largely been the focal point of the Badgers offense)?

Considering the Pack's tight cap situation this year and probably next, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Jones prices himself out of the Packers wallet. And I wouldn't hold it against Jones to take the big payday - probably his one shot at it.

[Reddeye]

So i dont misunderstand. The majority on this board feels that no matter how good the RB is wether its jones or someone better like elliot or gorrdan or that RB formally from pitts now on the jets you all think any one of them if they were on the packers you wouldnt reup cause of cost and just keep drafting rookies after 4 years or is it just jones alot of you would trade or let walk

I wouldn't say Elliot and Gordon are better than Jones at this point. Bell maybe. It's hard to tell because the Jets offense, especially the line, wasn't very good. Yes, I would let all those guys walk unless they signed a very team friendly contract.

[Frank Nova]

And for whatever it is worth, if I was the GM this is the one time I would overate a Badger and probably take Taylor in the first even though the 100 mocks I have done I am much happier waiting on RB until later in the draft. So what do I know? Not much


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Im sticking with Swift at top dog and that won’t change until year 3ish comes around and I’m eating crow.

Don’t like playing the “opportunity game”. It’s like that for everyone, not just a player you draw a comparison to in the best/worst possible situation. I can dig it, just don’t necessarily agree with it, if that makes any sense?

Again with Moss, watch the tape on him and try not to get overly focused with the combine numbers. I know numbers don’t lie but I watched him a lot over the past 2 years and he’s the real deal using the eye test. I won’t call him any type of anomaly because he tested as an average RB but I guess he’s just 1 of those types that plays faster and smarter when he’s out there. Idk?

I look at Moss the same way you look at Taylor. Moss’s numbers last year were elite and if he tested like a combine warrior he’d be in the same conversation. Unfortunately he tested poorly compared to his numbers and it’s hurting his stock. I guess it all depends on how much you get caught up in those types of numbers. I personally like when the push my agenda and ignore them when they don’t lol. But in all fairness, there were quite a few “big names” to test poorly at the combine and now won’t get a chance to rectify that at their pro day.

Moss ran a 4.65 at the combine and posted a video about a week ago and ran a 4.52 in front of a few in state scouts and what not. Does that change your opinion on him that much now to think he’s over a full tenth of a second faster or does that not make much of a difference to you?

[M-C-G]

And for whatever it is worth, if I was the GM this is the one time I would overate a Badger and probably take Taylor in the first even though the 100 mocks I have done I am much happier waiting on RB until later in the draft. So what do I know? Not much


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Im sticking with Swift at top dog and that won’t change until year 3ish comes around and I’m eating crow.

Don’t like playing the “opportunity game”. It’s like that for everyone, not just a player you draw a comparison to in the best/worst possible situation. I can dig it, just don’t necessarily agree with it, if that makes any sense?

Again with Moss, watch the tape on him and try not to get overly focused with the combine numbers. I know numbers don’t lie but I watched him a lot over the past 2 years and he’s the real deal using the eye test. I won’t call him any type of anomaly because he tested as an average RB but I guess he’s just 1 of those types that plays faster and smarter when he’s out there. Idk?

I look at Moss the same way you look at Taylor. Moss’s numbers last year were elite and if he tested like a combine warrior he’d be in the same conversation. Unfortunately he tested poorly compared to his numbers and it’s hurting his stock. I guess it all depends on how much you get caught up in those types of numbers. I personally like when the push my agenda and ignore them when they don’t lol. But in all fairness, there were quite a few “big names” to test poorly at the combine and now won’t get a chance to rectify that at their pro day.

Moss ran a 4.65 at the combine and posted a video about a week ago and ran a 4.52 in front of a few in state scouts and what not. Does that change your opinion on him that much now to think he’s over a full tenth of a second faster or does that not make much of a difference to you?

So I am not saying that Taylor is the best RB in the draft, I'm just saying, that I think he has game breaking speed that could hit in a big way. I'm interested in trying to find an impact guy, playmaking guy, I think Taylor has all the tools to do/be that in this draft.

I also feel like Reagor is another one of those guys that might end up being special...to add clarity, that's probably why I am high on some of these guys, because I think they could be special, not just starters, but special players, that can break the game open. So Moss might be completely the best overall RB, but as weird as it sounds, that isn't exactly what I am looking for, I am looking for the guys that can change the game on a single play, because our solid guys are all already in place if that makes sense.

So to restate this to myself, I'm all in on guys that I think have a good chance at being big play guys, I think our roster is starved of it now that Rodgers is no longer Godgers, which leaves Davante Adams and Aaron Jones as our only 'playmakers'. I want more, if we can use this draft to add two guys that could do that, I am taking the risk on them.

[Wisky4life]

I would take Taylor if we can. Even if that 2nd contract with Jones doesn't happen, at least we have Taylor for 5 years.

[Frank Nova]

Weve done well over the years drafting OL, not even using 1sts to land high caliber players. I hope the Wagner signing doesn’t come back to haunt us. That was money we could’ve used elsewhere imo. Wrong side of 30 after a poopy year doesn’t exactly scream suitable Bulaga upgrade. Maybe a replacement but definitely not an upgrade. I still like the Funchess signing and even more so now there’s no risk. 2.5m for a prove it year was a home run by Gute.

Draft is our last hope. I really hope we use some high picks on playmakers. Reagor Taylor Aiyuk Moss Mims Hamler etc. gotta get at least 1.

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[Treebeard]

^^^^What do you bet those Martinez comments come up real early in the next presser that LaFleur does (whenever that may be)