Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[The_Hater]

Brazil has 3904 cases and Australia has 3969 cases, also it was spreading in Singapore which has been low 90s & high humidity all month there.

I can't predict the future, but I thought I might be able to give some insight into this. The coronavirus (like SARS, influenza, and quite a few viruses) is an enveloped virus. This means that it's surrounded by a protective lipid envelope. Think of those lipids as similar to bacon fat or candle wax. The colder it is, the harder and waxier that lipid bilayer becomes. The warmer it is, the softer and less protective the envelope becomes. Because of this, warm weather can reduce the time that an enveloped virus survives on surfaces like door handles. Warm weather has little effect on how the virus is transmitted from person to person. The flu is normally seasonal, but the Spanish Flu peaked in the summer being spread from body to body.

I would think with this COVID-19 the aspiration transfer will increase in warmer moister air (already seen in humidifier equipped bipap machines) even with it having a shorter life on touched surfaces.
People could and should consider any dust masks and goggles to be necessary practice in public not just useful ideas as it gets warmer.
Most of these hot spots are colder but I think it's just phase 2 of many

Heat is supposed to slow down, not increase, the spread of this virus. That opinion has been pretty much universal in the scientific community so there’s not need to simply guess.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/study-on-new-coronavirus-says-warmer-weather-may-slow-covid-19-spread-and-cooler-weather-may-accelerate-it/707177/amp

[Magic_believer]

I wonder if everyone starts to wear masks, would crime rate increase because the criminal faces would be concealed just like non-criminal people.
You can easily sneak up to people while wearing a mask and noone would even care because everyone else also wears masks.

[The_Hater]

I wonder if everyone starts to wear masks, would crime rate increase because the criminal faces would be concealed just like non-criminal people.
You can easily sneak up to people while wearing a mask and noone would even care because everyone else also wears masks.

Crime is going to increase considerably because the economy is going to tank and the unemployment rate is going to explode. Masks or no masks.

[chrismikayla]

So is the general consensus that take out food is pretty safe? As long as you empty food into your own plates, throw away their bags and containers, etc? I'm sure craving some Chinese takeout.

[chrismikayla]

I can't find the article but I read something late last night theorizing why the Elmhurst area of Queens was so bad. They stated that it is home to many immigrant families (some non English speaking) in a very densely populated area. Apparently many of the households have multiple generations all very close to each other under one roof. Residents on this forum from NYC probably can speak on this better than others.

[j-ragg]

I'm sure craving some Chinese takeout.

I figured I'd try and help the place close to my house and order from there in case anyone had an anti-Chinese stigma. It was by far the most popular take out option, only place I saw with a line.

[Swish1906]

I can't find the article but I read something late last night theorizing why the Elmhurst area of Queens was so bad. They stated that it is home to many immigrant families (some non English speaking) in a very densely populated area. Apparently many of the households have multiple generations all very close to each other under one roof. Residents on this forum from NYC probably can speak on this better than others.

That is one obvious reason, also why its so much worse in italy and spain comparing it to germany. In germany we barely have multiple generations living under the same roof. In italy and spain its pretty common

[Neutral 123]

I'm sure craving some Chinese takeout.

I figured I'd try and help the place close to my house and order from there in case anyone had an anti-Chinese stigma. It was by far the most popular take out option, only place I saw with a line.

Well at this point it no longer matters. The right move is no takeout from anywhere.

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[Neutral 123]

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Projections for a similar pandemic from years ago projected 1-2 million deaths. Hopefully he's right. But the govt has undersold everything since this began in China.

[Stillwater]

I can't predict the future, but I thought I might be able to give some insight into this. The coronavirus (like SARS, influenza, and quite a few viruses) is an enveloped virus. This means that it's surrounded by a protective lipid envelope. Think of those lipids as similar to bacon fat or candle wax. The colder it is, the harder and waxier that lipid bilayer becomes. The warmer it is, the softer and less protective the envelope becomes. Because of this, warm weather can reduce the time that an enveloped virus survives on surfaces like door handles. Warm weather has little effect on how the virus is transmitted from person to person. The flu is normally seasonal, 8 the Spanish Flu peaked in the summer being spread from body to body.

I would think with this COVID-19 the aspiration transfer will increase in warmer moister air (already seen in humidifier equipped bipap machines) even with it having a shorter life on touched surfaces.
People could and should consider any dust masks and goggles to be necessary practice in public not just useful ideas as it gets warmer.
Most of these hot spots are colder but I think it's just phase 2 of many

Heat is supposed to slow down, not increase, the spread of this virus. That opinion has been pretty much universal in the scientific community so there’s not need to simply guess.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/study-on-new-coronavirus-says-warmer-weather-may-slow-covid-19-spread-and-cooler-weather-may-accelerate-it/707177/amp

I'm ok pal I'm not guessing. This is true what you posted about how long it lives on surfaces but has nothing to do with airborne transfer.
This week, the Food and Drug Administration provided guidance that allows hospitals to modify respiratory devices, including ventilators, CPAPs and BiPAPs, during the public health emergency, as long as they take steps to prevent aerosolization of the virus.
First responders called to the Life Care Center of Kirkland starting Feb. 24 initially used positive airway pressure machines, often known as CPAPs, to treat residents before it was known the patients were infected with COVID-19.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/27/822211604/cpap-machines-were-seen-as-ventilator-alternatives-but-could-spread-covid-19
So yeah what you know and what comes next are not the same thing looking at the ever changing projections

[basketballRob]

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That's the first wave, hopefully we're more ready for the next one.

Also you have to count the indirect deaths, due to the hospitals being full.

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[The_Hater]

I would think with this COVID-19 the aspiration transfer will increase in warmer moister air (already seen in humidifier equipped bipap machines) even with it having a shorter life on touched surfaces.
People could and should consider any dust masks and goggles to be necessary practice in public not just useful ideas as it gets warmer.
Most of these hot spots are colder but I think it's just phase 2 of many

Heat is supposed to slow down, not increase, the spread of this virus. That opinion has been pretty much universal in the scientific community so there’s not need to simply guess.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/study-on-new-coronavirus-says-warmer-weather-may-slow-covid-19-spread-and-cooler-weather-may-accelerate-it/707177/amp

I'm ok pal I'm not guessing. This is true what you posted about how long it lives on surfaces but has nothing to do with airborne transfer.
This week, the Food and Drug Administration provided guidance that allows hospitals to modify respiratory devices, including ventilators, CPAPs and BiPAPs, during the public health emergency, as long as they take steps to prevent aerosolization of the virus.
First responders called to the Life Care Center of Kirkland starting Feb. 24 initially used positive airway pressure machines, often known as CPAPs, to treat residents before it was known the patients were infected with COVID-19.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/27/822211604/cpap-machines-were-seen-as-ventilator-alternatives-but-could-spread-covid-19
So yeah what you know and what comes next are not the same thing looking at the ever changing projections

You’re certainly trying really hard so you don’t have to admit that your wrong.

When a person states something that is quite obviously wrong, I just assume that they didn’t do any research. Or they could have possibly got their information from Trump or an equally unreliable source.

[SSUBluesman]

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Projections for a similar pandemic from years ago projected 1-2 million deaths. Hopefully he's right. But the govt has undersold everything since this began in China.

One thing I worry about is states that are able to be better prepared end up suffering worse than they should have because of a lack of supplies/distribution. This could push both of those numbers up.

Another big concern is what kind of downwind effects this has on medical care via straining of the already limited medical resources and the cumulative effect on medical professionals, especially the contraction of the virus itself. The thought of fighting the virus with dwindling levels of supplies and doctors/nurses/EMT is terrifying.

[LKN]

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I hope he's wrong, but I'm glad he's saying it. It's clear that quite a bit of the country needs someone/someething to shock them into taking this seriously.

There are still states that are basically acting like nothing serious is happening.

[LKN]

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[Dirk]

Italy

• Current cases: 73,880 (+3,815 compared to yesterday)
• Deceased: 10,779 (+756)
• Healed: 13,030 (+646)
• Hospitalized in Intensive Care: 3.906 (+50)

Total cases: 97,689 (+5,217, + 5,6%)

They are mildly happy with the drop in number of deaths and people in ICU (the day before it they +125, today +50).

Albania sent 30 doctors/nurses to Italy
Albanian prime minister spoke in Italian

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[bwgood77]

So is the general consensus that take out food is pretty safe? As long as you empty food into your own plates, throw away their bags and containers, etc? I'm sure craving some Chinese takeout.

I've gotten chinese and Thai each a couple times. I do not touch face when handling, obviously, and empty into big bowl when I get home, throw away container and wash hands. Then I put bowl into microwave for like a minute and then let cool. That's because it was touching container and in the case anyone had sneezed or coughed back in kitchen. Making it that hot will kill any virus.

It would be even better to wear gloves.

[G R E Y]

I suspect that there is a division between extroverts and introverts when it comes to social distancing (probably obvious). I am naturally an introvert so social distancing is not difficult for me at least when it comes to not meeting people (just being around only family is fine by me). But it seems like some of the extroverts I know are struggling with this badly. This probably made it easy for me to suggest that people should not be going out anywhere when no one was taking this seriously. Like, I don't have to go out and meet people to "live my life to the fullest" whereas for some people, this is an essential part of living.

Yeah, this makes sense. I'm one of the few introverts among my group of friends and family. Was the first one to start social distancing and wearing a mask. I have no problem doing stuff on my own but many of my extroverted friends/ family are complaining and want to get back to socializing at the coffee shop, mall, gym, etc. Had to talk my cousin out of planning a house party for next month.


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[Pharmcat]

So is the general consensus that take out food is pretty safe? As long as you empty food into your own plates, throw away their bags and containers, etc? I'm sure craving some Chinese takeout.

I've gotten chinese and Thai each a couple times. I do not touch face when handling, obviously, and empty into big bowl when I get home, throw away container and wash hands. Then I put bowl into microwave for like a minute and then let cool. That's because it was touching container and in the case anyone had sneezed or coughed back in kitchen. Making it that hot will kill any virus.

It would be even better to wear gloves.

Good advice thank you